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Gank Fit Coercer?
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Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-07-13 19:36:00 UTC
I just got in a 1 v 1 in a FW plex against another Coercer. My ship was fit like this:

Dual Light Pulse Laser II X 8 (scorch and conflag)

Warp Disruptor II

Heat Sink II X 2
DC II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten

Small Energy Metastasis Adjuster I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I

I built this ship to fight thrashers but when I saw the Coercer warping in I said "why not?". I slow boated away from the warp in point as quickly as I could to get some range and we wound up around 15k ish when we started firing. One think I noticed is he locked me faster than I did him and I didn't get my guns firing until my shields were gone. Things went south pretty quickly from there. By the time I got him to 75% armor ALL of my armor was GONE! The only reason I got away was he had no point.

He was friendly enough and I chatted with him for a few seconds on my way out of town. The only info I got out of him was that he had both heat sinks and tracking enhancers. Also I had checked his age before the fight and he is a 2003 character. Just about all of my relevant skills are level 4 while I'm sure his are level 5 but I just can't believe how fast he melted my tank.

So now I'm left wondering "Am I doing it wrong?". If I drop the 400mm plate for more heat sinks it also drops my tank to half of its current EHP for only 50 more DPS. Is it worth it? Did I just get out skilled?
Lazor Master
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-07-13 19:58:44 UTC
Well the skill difference does make a big difference in small tank (read destoyers) ships.
Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-07-13 20:18:47 UTC
Fit heavier guns?
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-07-13 20:31:54 UTC
Vellen Thoss wrote:
Fit heavier guns?


Eh, you can barely squeeze Medium Pulse 2's in it with some CPU rigs but that's still only like +20% DPS for sacrificing over half your tank.
Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-07-13 20:46:02 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
Vellen Thoss wrote:
Fit heavier guns?


Eh, you can barely squeeze Medium Pulse 2's in it with some CPU rigs but that's still only like +20% DPS for sacrificing over half your tank.


Maybe drop the DCU II for an EANM II? I don't have EFT handy here at work so I couldn't tell you if that works.
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-07-13 21:05:16 UTC
You could check his loss history in evekill maybe he lost a similar one recently.

He might have had 3 trimarks increasing his EHP over yours. Your explosive pump is not helping you in this fight.
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-07-13 21:21:40 UTC
Alticus C Bear wrote:
You could check his loss history in evekill maybe he lost a similar one recently.

He might have had 3 trimarks increasing his EHP over yours. Your explosive pump is not helping you in this fight.


Damn, wish I'd of thought of that. Neither of us exploded so I can't look at the combat log and I don't remember his name. Was Cedric something or other. And as for the Anti-Explosive rig, yeah I know. Coercers seem to be a rare bird for the Minmatar to fly and usually I'm fighting thrashers.
Wuxi Wuxilla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-07-13 23:47:39 UTC
Standard gank Coercer has 1 TE and 2 Locus rigs. You pulled range before the fight and he melted you with 21km optimal while you only have 17km. If you had stayed on the beacon you'd probably have won with your extra ehp.
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-07-14 00:01:46 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
Alticus C Bear wrote:
You could check his loss history in evekill maybe he lost a similar one recently.

He might have had 3 trimarks increasing his EHP over yours. Your explosive pump is not helping you in this fight.


Damn, wish I'd of thought of that. Neither of us exploded so I can't look at the combat log and I don't remember his name. Was Cedric something or other. And as for the Anti-Explosive rig, yeah I know. Coercers seem to be a rare bird for the Minmatar to fly and usually I'm fighting thrashers.


If you know roughly when it was you can look through your combat logs on your hardrive in the eve/logs/gamelogs folder there used to be some combat log analysers that helped do this with damage graphs but most are out of date. Generally it is the files with larger sizes that have something in them.
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-07-14 01:24:57 UTC
Alticus C Bear wrote:
Koujjo Dian wrote:
Alticus C Bear wrote:
You could check his loss history in evekill maybe he lost a similar one recently.

He might have had 3 trimarks increasing his EHP over yours. Your explosive pump is not helping you in this fight.


Damn, wish I'd of thought of that. Neither of us exploded so I can't look at the combat log and I don't remember his name. Was Cedric something or other. And as for the Anti-Explosive rig, yeah I know. Coercers seem to be a rare bird for the Minmatar to fly and usually I'm fighting thrashers.


If you know roughly when it was you can look through your combat logs on your hardrive in the eve/logs/gamelogs folder there used to be some combat log analysers that helped do this with damage graphs but most are out of date. Generally it is the files with larger sizes that have something in them.


Ran into him again (but ran away). This is him: http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=156918&view=kills&m=7&y=2012

Apparently he's not flying any "super fit". He just knows what he's doing and has alot of SP to back it up.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#11 - 2012-07-15 07:06:35 UTC
Yeah, looks like he just outranged you judging from his fits.