EVE General Discussion

Yeah they say that in WoW too and my friend's daughter was playing that at 6

"for the sake of the challenge" that a 7 year old can do... some challenge

The only reason it's not challenging to profitably gank a Hulk is because the miners refuse to make it challenging.

I don't think you read my post.

"the challenge" did not refer to warping into an ice belt 10km from a ship and activating overloaded high slots.

it referred to creating the calculator specialized to make sure that when I did activate those highs, that they would make the ship pop for certain.

It might be "easy" if all you do is load two destroyers with blasters and pray that it will do enough damage to kill a miner.

Some of us are a little bit more careful though, and cover our bases for the sake of the challenge among other things. When I decided I was going to start ganking ships, I went into excel to start a calculator that was general enough to accomodate for different weapon types and hull resistances etc.

I've gone so far now that I calculate shield and armor repped and regen between each volley so I know down to the tenth of a second how much time it will take to kill a given hull - basically I've recreated every calculation that happens in game when a weapon hits a ship of a given profile.

And thanks to the helpful resource of Tippia I know the times for each security system and can thus enter in just a few values to solve for the minimum amount of DPS (and the em/therm/kin/exp profile) needed to kill any sort of ship in high sec before CONCORD jams me.

Sure all of what I did is not necessary for a gank - but I do this type of thing because EVE inspires me to do so, and that's why I love this game.

In conclusion, I wanted to make clear that belittling others doesn't do much except make you more susceptible to the clever ones that you've overlooked because of a need to emotionally cope.

Expect every miner to have a well-fitted Hulk with 30k EHP. Expect every ganker to have done the math with extreme rigor.

Once you expect the most of your enemies, you'll be able to enjoy one of the best fruits of fierce competition - respect for a good opponent.

1. It's likely that the preparatory work is something that the 7 year old would be unable to accomplish on their own.

2. When has CCP made ganking easier? Name one time that ganking got an overall buff (Crucible gave it a big nerf to go along with its small buff, btw)

3. Then you could argue that just about all PvP is dumbed down. You could train a 6 year old to follow an FC's commands in about the same amount of time as it takes to teach her how to gank.

no i haven't collected anything, but I do have a value for total damage taken minus excess damage on the final volley, which is effective hitpoints for the encounter, as opposed to the omni damage profile it normally draws the number from - but EFT can also give you a good idea of that pretty quickly if you set up custom damage profiles.

i didn't tinker with the fits of the hulks as much as I did with the volley times and damage types of the attacking ships.

Stop pretending you had to do any work, at all, whatsoever, when the work was done long before you came along by people a lot smarter than you.

Miners are so easy to kill even a child can beat them. Says a lot for the quality of the miners more I would say.

With the exception of remaining actively aligned to something and warping out the moment an obvious suicide gank ship warps in there is NOTHING a miner can do. Even going for more tank cannot stop being ganked. All the gankers ever need to do is getting a bigger ship or more folks but it will always end up in a miner being killed in a way a 7y old can replicate.