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Executive Decisionn
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-07-06 10:41:05 UTC
Okay, my corp (yes this is an alt) is a small mining corp that is feeding a large (although still small) alliance. We have about 20 dedicated members are are mostly high-sec carebears that just mine out belts in a quiet system. Because we are small, we hung a medium tower with no guns/defense to provide research for our members, any war decs we would take down the tower and wait it out.

The alliance has branch out and for the passed few months has been helping to defend a low-sec pocket with a few other alliances. We are now being invited to come and join the rest of the crew done in low-sec to get at some juicier ore within the area.

So we have been give permission to hang as many towers in this unused system as we want to moon mine. While this is great, I am looking into the cost of a large tower and the CPU use of them, and wondering if my math is wrong. I figured we would hang up one tower as a test to see about pulling a profit from it, but the numbers aren't adding up. Supposely you can moon mine to cover both the cost of the PoS fuel and make a profit, but I not seeing it.

Let's say I hang up a Large Caldari Tower, and I moon mine with simple reaction of Fernite Alloy. I set it all up correctly I can sell the Fernite Alloy at market value of 2000 isk per unit, so that is 400,000 isk per hour. The fuel blocks required are going to cost around 750,000 per hour to run the PoS. So I will be operating a PoS at a -350,000 loss per hour.

Is this correct?

Also, with the massive CPU cost to do moon mining, can anyone share a good setup to help a newer person to low-sec for a moon mining PoS.

I know I need 2 Moon Mining Arrays, 1 Simple Reaction Array, 1 Coupler Array (for when I unload silo), and a silo. Beyond that, I just need to help defend it.

Yes I could ask the alliance for input....but I rather not show how new I am to low sec.

Any advice is extremely appreciated....any trollers...well you know where to go....

Executive Decisionn

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SegaPhoenix
Chicks on Speed
Weapons Of Mass Production.
#2 - 2012-07-06 19:20:49 UTC
Expecting to moon mine for profit in and of itself is very hard to do. Add in the fact that you have no experience outside of highsec and no experience in the field in which your trying to make money only adds to the problem. If I had some advice I would tell you not to go to lowsec for the sole purpose of moon mining for profit.


In the event you are like me and can't be told not to do something then hopefully these guides will help.


http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/guides/business/starbase-reactions

https://docs.google.com/gview?url=http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Sebspics/7538853-Eve-Online-Moon-Mining-And-Reactions-Guide.pdf&pli=1&chrome=true


Keep in mind these might be slightly dated especially since the change to fuel blocks so read them objectively. Best of luck m8 o7
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#3 - 2012-07-15 01:24:01 UTC
not exactly worth it m8 unless your mining tech. everything else for the trouble you go through and what's needed isn't worth it.
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#4 - 2012-07-15 01:55:08 UTC
Don't think of mining moons for profit, especially with a large moon.

Any moon worth hanging a large tower on just for the moon goo is way out of your range of being able to control.

Most moon mining towers are small tbh, unless it;s a very valuable moon.

Do you really think the locals would have said "sure come in and pick whatever moons you want" if any of them were good iskmines?

Although many moons do exist, there's a very wide range of moon goo values between Atmo deposites and 15mil/hr tech.


I don't know why you would need a tower at all tbh. You wont refine in it, the refining rate for mobile refiners blows until they buff it come winter expansions. All the good moons or moons that pay their own fuel are taken. But if you really want one you can fit a basic reaction chain for fernite alloy + a ship maint array and a corporate hangar array on a medium POS. That should just about pay for fuel, and provide space for ship and ore storage. Nobody will ever bother to attack a fernite alloy moon, so defense shouldn't be an issue.
Eric Raeder
No Fee Too High
#5 - 2012-07-15 03:33:18 UTC
You aren't going to find a cash cow moon everybody has missed, this game has been running 9 years with hundreds of thousands of players. In essence, every moon in the game with something worth mining on it already has a tower set up. If you want to make ISK from moongoo, you are going to have to take a moon away from someone, and defend it.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2012-07-15 03:39:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Servitor 001
RedBallExpress
#7 - 2012-07-15 04:35:32 UTC
Your math is quite probably right on the money. But if your going to bang up a pos anyway a bit of moon mining will help to pay for some of your fuel bill, which you already worked out.

End of the day it comes down to if you can handle the time/risk needed to spend shipping the materials around, which shouldnt be a big deal if your bringing in fuel anyway.
TravisWB
#8 - 2012-07-15 22:48:38 UTC
Your math is correct and you have been told the truth, there are no losec moons that are valuable that are not already taken.

If you are building tech2 ships you might save a little isk by doing some of your own complex reactions with mats that you buy but really...it is a lot of work for not a lot of return.

But, there are a lot of offline poses in losec that belong to now extinct corps that might be sitting on top of a Vanadium moon somwhere.

You will need a small fleet to take down even a dormant small tower and you should do the research to make sure the corp has died or you could find yourself in trouble.

But just to make sure you understand, the Eve economy is now severely broken. Moon mining was very negatively affected by the great nerf that was called Incarna.