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Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#181 - 2012-07-14 11:10:14 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Gogela wrote:
So the fight is over in Delve now?


The fight was over the minute that the CFC joined the fray.

At that point the decision for the defenders was either dock up, save resources, deny a fight and lose everything, or undock, lose a lot of ships, give them a fun (for them) fight and still lose everything.

Its not an excuse, it's a fact. Surprisingly, not many SoCo line members have the money, the resources and the desire to throw away ships however cheap and/or plentifull at a supercapital wall (that is IF the manage to evade the supercapital permacamp at 319 station [woohoo])


As TEST and friends are about to find out, Delve is a shithole and a resource sink to whoever wants the whole region.

The fight was only over because SoCo decided it was.

Before the CFC got involved, SoCo were fielding fleets of 700 against TEST fleets of 200. CFC shows up and starts fielding fleets of 700, but rather than the SoCo matching them with their fleets of 700, they refused and only ever sent out fleets of 200, and so spent the rest of the war crying about blobs.

I for one was really looking foward to 700 vs 700 fleet fights, but SoCo decided against fielding the very fleets they had been using in the previous weeks.

Why did they do this? I have no idea, ask SoCo leadership. But I shouldn't really complain, given that you guys rolling over without a fight means we now have our own sov, so thanks.
Hench Tenet
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#182 - 2012-07-14 11:12:13 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Gogela wrote:
So the fight is over in Delve now?


The fight was over the minute that the CFC joined the fray.

At that point the decision for the defenders was either dock up, save resources, deny a fight and lose everything, or undock, lose a lot of ships, give them a fun (for them) fight and still lose everything.

Its not an excuse, it's a fact. Surprisingly, not many SoCo line members have the money, the resources and the desire to throw away ships however cheap and/or plentifull at a supercapital wall (that is IF the manage to evade the supercapital permacamp at 319 station [woohoo])


As TEST and friends are about to find out, Delve is a shithole and a resource sink to whoever wants the whole region.



You can afford t3 fleets but not to lose ships? I just realised that -A-'s entire philosophy is to not lose any ships. They literally can't afford to.
forestwho
Doomheim
#183 - 2012-07-14 11:36:11 UTC
Degren wrote:
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:
Due to the amount of time it took the goon and pets to clear Delve, its apparent that sov structures need more ehp or timers or switch back to the old sov mechanics.

Or, you know, people who defend them.



Typical response from an alliance that has always been someone elses pet.


I assume you haven't been paying attention at all, so I'll just spell it out here.

-A-'s strategy - without any kind of bias-filter, this is actually what they've done (someone less lazy can link you the recordings of their comms) - was to stay docked and dont welp fleets against 4-1 odds minimum

Let me repeat that.

-A-'s strategy was to stay docked and dont welp fleets against 4-1 odds minimum

Makalu's strategy was to stay docked and dont welp fleets against 4-1 odds minimum

Makalu, apparent head FC of the entire SOCO, decided to stay docked and dont welp fleets against 4-1 odds minimum

Makalu, instead of defending his sovereignty, decided to stay docked up and dont welp fleets against 4-1 odds minimum

Makalu, terrified of rifter webs, decided to dock his immortal T3 fleets and let us get bored in Eve Online, a boring space game.

SOCO, apparently not really into good fights, decided docking was a viable sovereignty defense strategy in Eve Online.

Southern Coalition, in their indestructible Loki, decided fighting drakes was pretty hard and decided the best strategy for saving their space was to dock up.

In a decent fight of about 1500 Clusterfuck Legion in drakes vs 400 Southern Coalition folks in T3s, Makalu insisted on staying docked while we picked off some bored bombers. We then had another fleet of supercaps go around popping structures. The supercaps were not going to form, but since they stayed docked...welp.

PS: GG, Makalu. You are one of the biggest reasons SOCO collapsed so quickly.


fixed for you
forestwho
Doomheim
#184 - 2012-07-14 11:37:34 UTC
Hench Tenet wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Gogela wrote:
So the fight is over in Delve now?


The fight was over the minute that the CFC joined the fray.

At that point the decision for the defenders was either dock up, save resources, deny a fight and lose everything, or undock, lose a lot of ships, give them a fun (for them) fight and still lose everything.

Its not an excuse, it's a fact. Surprisingly, not many SoCo line members have the money, the resources and the desire to throw away ships however cheap and/or plentifull at a supercapital wall (that is IF the manage to evade the supercapital permacamp at 319 station [woohoo])


As TEST and friends are about to find out, Delve is a shithole and a resource sink to whoever wants the whole region.



You can afford t3 fleets but not to lose ships? I just realised that -A-'s entire philosophy is to not lose any ships. They literally can't afford to.


They dont have tech moons, so cant affort to welp endless fleets against bigger odds

Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:
Degren wrote:
GOON PET NUMBA ONE F1 BUTAN PUSHA.


What started out as good fights, Turned into a big steaming pile of propaganda. You say you went there for "Good Fights" which in the begining probably was true. When it escalated you should have only brought in One back up alliance to "Even" the numbers and you would have had your "GoodFights". But instead you screamed at your masters and then Goons jerked the leash and everyone was TOLD to go to Delve.

Nulli and friends, Screw -A-, dont have the ISK that TECH income brings to an Alliance. While you are able to **** out ships for RISK FREE PVP, SoCo dosent. Nulli was at war with RA before Pet Legion decided to make it a 3 way. Then this **** storm of a circle jerk happened.

Congrats on being able to win EVE by just putting people in the system. The results of you camping and watching a station is a direct result of your actions and Mastser and Pets. Maybe we should contact the Guinness Book of World Records to see if it Qualifies.



soo tue
forestwho
Doomheim
#185 - 2012-07-14 11:52:41 UTC  |  Edited by: forestwho
Gogela wrote:
You know what really struck me on that influence map? Against All Authorities. Man do they have staying power.... hat's off to you gents o7


MeBiatch wrote:
but then again i have seen peeps like goons/bob take over way too much space and then they end up loosing a boat load later (i would say 6 months) due to not being able to fight on several fronts...

so even if goons do win and it looks like they will... give it half a year and they will be back to where they started.


KrakizBad wrote:
SoCo's strategy of 'we'll take it back' relies on CFC+HB not actually, you know, filling that space with allies. Exactly like all the space we didn't fill elsewhere.


Caldari Acolyte wrote:
Only thing happening here is the biggest example of game imbalance ever seen in Eveonline, one side controls all the TEC otherside dosen't, rest you be able to figure out. Ugh


Rene Fullchest wrote:
All this anaylsis of who and when and why is pointless now, isn't it?

We are where we are. We set objectives (more on this in a bit) and set about achieving them. None of us knew it would be this easy, and I imagine that none of you thought it would be so humiliating.

So, let's shift the analytical focus to the here and now, shall we?

-A- leadership initially thought they could stay docked (for whatever reason) and that we would eventually get bored and leave. That turned out to be wrong.

-A- leadership now seems to think that when their BS/support fleet gets welped in their home system the proper response is to reship and do it again, and again, two nights in a row. This strategy turns out to be wrong, again.

It seems to me that the REAL question now is how long the line pilots of -A- are going to stick it out. Some, obviously (by the fits seen in the latest BS kills) are running out of resources. I believe we are fast approaching the tipping point, where line pilots of the -A- corps finally and seriously question their alliance leadership and begin to 'jump ship'. This will start with a trickle and build to a torrent, moving on to involve whole corps, until the only thing left are some bitter, angry few. They will cease whining about the CFC and begin whining about their own traitors.

As I said above, our enemies have utterly failed to see the objective here.

The objective was always to crush -A-, and we are achieving that goal much faster than expected.

Will you, average -A- line pilot, be the last to leave, or will you see the reality and give up to live another day?


The core -A- members are like cockroages, they are bitter vets with endless high moral. Space can be taken but your really doing them a favour. In my history i saw -A- dying almost once and that was caused by a 50j blue radius back when Atlas and Init were still blue'd up. Thats the only way you can kill -A-. Take their space or their blue's space and insert pets / renters and your doing them a favour. Its Win - Win for them. They really dont give a ****, and that is what makes -A- AAA. It is funny how half sided people are. Not saying they are not undocking form 319 and welping fleets in their home system. Cant rly be at 2 places at once, dont you think Roll. CFC, you dont want gudfights your just want to steamroll it, which is fine. The bullshit story about escalating blah blah is also fine, quet coincedence it falls togheter with certain CSM meetings with CCP about ringmining...... thinking about next cashcow is smart move......will see what happens and what role delve is going to have.... if it does turn out to be important expect some rolling heads. The noobish propaganda is also fine, but how long can you keep this up P. Meh, its like summer anyway, God forgives -A- doesnt.

And yes Tech is the biggest imbalancement this game has ever seen, i hope many ppl will quit as a lesson that CCP still hasnt learned anything from Barby-Online Gate a year orso back....
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#186 - 2012-07-14 11:54:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Benway Kado
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
Given tests success and their influx of members, would they be in a position to split from goons and cfc. If so who would likely side with them

Yes, they already did, Honey Badger Coalition, you're welcome.

Forestwho, why didn't you quote me? You quoted everybody else around, you hussy
Dave Stark
#187 - 2012-07-14 12:13:08 UTC
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
Forestwho, why didn't you quote me? You quoted everybody else around, you hussy


aww, feeling left out?
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#188 - 2012-07-14 12:15:42 UTC
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
Given tests success and their influx of members, would they be in a position to split from goons and cfc. If so who would likely side with them

Yes, they already did, Honey Badger Coalition, you're welcome.

Forestwho, why didn't you quote me? You quoted everybody else around, you hussy

You're just not important enough in the eyes of the mighty CEO of the illustrious Foonfleet Investment Banking. I'm sorry, but you may have to rethink your life and your priorities after this crushing defeat.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2012-07-14 13:22:17 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
Given tests success and their influx of members, would they be in a position to split from goons and cfc. If so who would likely side with them

Yes, they already did, Honey Badger Coalition, you're welcome.

Forestwho, why didn't you quote me? You quoted everybody else around, you hussy

You're just not important enough in the eyes of the mighty CEO of the illustrious Foonfleet Investment Banking. I'm sorry, but you may have to rethink your life and your priorities after this crushing defeat.

Lol

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#190 - 2012-07-14 13:40:55 UTC
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
Given tests success and their influx of members, would they be in a position to split from goons and cfc. If so who would likely side with them

Yes, they already did, Honey Badger Coalition, you're welcome.

Forestwho, why didn't you quote me? You quoted everybody else around, you hussy
I was under the impression that this was temporary, for the invasion of Delve.

Test have 7800 members going by Doltan goons have 9200. Everyone assumes Goon are the bosses of cfc, maybe Test/PL could usurp them??

Pog mo thoin

Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#191 - 2012-07-14 14:20:12 UTC
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
Given tests success and their influx of members, would they be in a position to split from goons and cfc. If so who would likely side with them

Yes, they already did, Honey Badger Coalition, you're welcome.

Forestwho, why didn't you quote me? You quoted everybody else around, you hussy
I was under the impression that this was temporary, for the invasion of Delve.

Test have 7800 members going by Doltan goons have 9200. Everyone assumes Goon are the bosses of cfc, maybe Test/PL could usurp them??


We have no reason to usurp them, and no urge. Goons have been doing this far longer than us, and we respect that.

What will most likely happen is after we beat -A- and settle into our new space, two coalitions will develop: The CFC and Honeybadgers, with each as a separate entity. Goons will lead the CFC, and Test/PL will lead the Honeybadgers.

These coalitions, for all intents and purposes, would be neutral with a NIP, except when one is threatened. In that case, the Horn of Goondor will sound, and they will re-blue to destroy any opposition.

That way, CFC/Badger members can get ~gudfites~ from each other without any sov grinding, cap ships or blobs.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#192 - 2012-07-14 14:47:51 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Gogela wrote:
So the fight is over in Delve now?


The fight was over the minute that the CFC joined the fray.

At that point the decision for the defenders was either dock up, save resources, deny a fight and lose everything, or undock, lose a lot of ships, give them a fun (for them) fight and still lose everything.

Its not an excuse, it's a fact. Surprisingly, not many SoCo line members have the money, the resources and the desire to throw away ships however cheap and/or plentifull at a supercapital wall (that is IF the manage to evade the supercapital permacamp at 319 station [woohoo])


As TEST and friends are about to find out, Delve is a shithole and a resource sink to whoever wants the whole region.

The fight was only over because SoCo decided it was.

Before the CFC got involved, SoCo were fielding fleets of 700 against TEST fleets of 200. CFC shows up and starts fielding fleets of 700, but rather than the SoCo matching them with their fleets of 700, they refused and only ever sent out fleets of 200, and so spent the rest of the war crying about blobs.

I for one was really looking foward to 700 vs 700 fleet fights, but SoCo decided against fielding the very fleets they had been using in the previous weeks.

Why did they do this? I have no idea, ask SoCo leadership. But I shouldn't really complain, given that you guys rolling over without a fight means we now have our own sov, so thanks.

Quoting myself because not one SoCo member has responded to this arguement, which has been used by me and others in several threads, all they do is continue to shed tears about how we 'blobbed' them.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#193 - 2012-07-14 15:03:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Gogela wrote:
So the fight is over in Delve now?


The fight was over the minute that the CFC joined the fray.

At that point the decision for the defenders was either dock up, save resources, deny a fight and lose everything, or undock, lose a lot of ships, give them a fun (for them) fight and still lose everything.

Its not an excuse, it's a fact. Surprisingly, not many SoCo line members have the money, the resources and the desire to throw away ships however cheap and/or plentifull at a supercapital wall (that is IF the manage to evade the supercapital permacamp at 319 station [woohoo])


As TEST and friends are about to find out, Delve is a shithole and a resource sink to whoever wants the whole region.

The fight was only over because SoCo decided it was.

Before the CFC got involved, SoCo were fielding fleets of 700 against TEST fleets of 200. CFC shows up and starts fielding fleets of 700, but rather than the SoCo matching them with their fleets of 700, they refused and only ever sent out fleets of 200, and so spent the rest of the war crying about blobs.

I for one was really looking foward to 700 vs 700 fleet fights, but SoCo decided against fielding the very fleets they had been using in the previous weeks.

Why did they do this? I have no idea, ask SoCo leadership. But I shouldn't really complain, given that you guys rolling over without a fight means we now have our own sov, so thanks.

Quoting myself because not one SoCo member has responded to this arguement, which has been used by me and others in several threads, all they do is continue to shed tears about how we 'blobbed' them.


Was getting home from work, sue me =)

The minute the CFC entered the fight was the minute everyone saw the 120+ supercarriers and 40+ (60+ according to a friend of mine on Razor). Therefore, screw that.

I still don't get an answer from TEST as to why they had to bring over 20 supercarriers when we had our 60 man drake fleet bring down one of your dreads to armor on 319. You had over 100 battlecruisers, but decided to bring in the supercarriers because hey, that would never make us dock up right?


So again, if all the CFC did was bring in more numbers to match ours than fights would have been had. But nobody on the right mind will fight against you if they know you will field endless supercapitals the moment you begin to lose.


Argue against that. I'll be here.

Also this:

Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:
Nulli and friends, Screw -A-, dont have the ISK that TECH income brings to an Alliance. While you are able to **** out ships for RISK FREE PVP, SoCo dosent. Nulli was at war with RA before Pet Legion decided to make it a 3 way. Then this **** storm of a circle jerk happened.

Congrats on being able to win EVE by just putting people in the system. The results of you camping and watching a station is a direct result of your actions and Mastser and Pets. Maybe we should contact the Guinness Book of World Records to see if it Qualifies.



Bolded the important part.

Don't mistake me with -A-. I'm not -A-. I'm not going to say anything harsh or my CEO and/or diplomat will have my hide, but don't assume i'm -A-.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#194 - 2012-07-14 15:18:56 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:

Was getting home from work, sue me =)

The minute the CFC entered the fight was the minute everyone saw the 120+ supercarriers and 40+ (60+ according to a friend of mine on Razor). Therefore, screw that.

I still don't get an answer from TEST as to why they had to bring over 20 supercarriers when we had our 60 man drake fleet bring down one of your dreads to armor on 319. You had over 100 battlecruisers, but decided to bring in the supercarriers because hey, that would never make us dock up right?

So again, if all the CFC did was bring in more numbers to match ours than fights would have been had. But nobody on the right mind will fight against you if they know you will field endless supercapitals the moment you begin to lose.

Argue against that. I'll be here.

\o/ finally a reasoned response from a SoCo player on this issue.

Actually thats almost fair enough. However my point still remains - you (as in SoCo) cannot keep spouting 'outnumbered 4-1' crap when you are easily capable of fielding equal numbers. Not doing so because of our super fleet is a totally different (but to be honest valid) reason for not fighting.

Incidentally we didnt just have a load of supers on standby to reinforce drake fleets, they were out helicopter dicking structures and jumped in for ***** and giggles.
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#195 - 2012-07-14 15:34:07 UTC
Hmm, yes, "Death to Supers", quite.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#196 - 2012-07-14 15:44:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:

Was getting home from work, sue me =)

The minute the CFC entered the fight was the minute everyone saw the 120+ supercarriers and 40+ (60+ according to a friend of mine on Razor). Therefore, screw that.

I still don't get an answer from TEST as to why they had to bring over 20 supercarriers when we had our 60 man drake fleet bring down one of your dreads to armor on 319. You had over 100 battlecruisers, but decided to bring in the supercarriers because hey, that would never make us dock up right?

So again, if all the CFC did was bring in more numbers to match ours than fights would have been had. But nobody on the right mind will fight against you if they know you will field endless supercapitals the moment you begin to lose.

Argue against that. I'll be here.

\o/ finally a reasoned response from a SoCo player on this issue.

Actually thats almost fair enough. However my point still remains - you (as in SoCo) cannot keep spouting 'outnumbered 4-1' crap when you are easily capable of fielding equal numbers. Not doing so because of our super fleet is a totally different (but to be honest valid) reason for not fighting.

Incidentally we didnt just have a load of supers on standby to reinforce drake fleets, they were out helicopter dicking structures and jumped in for ***** and giggles.


About numbers. Not really related to the 4:1 claims (can't say if they are true or not, i'm as far as possible from the south as possible at the moment, trying to have fun for a change), but show me a FC who says "Sorry guys, our numbers are already too big and we want to give them a good fight, so we don't want more than 200 people" and i will call you a liar. If you have a pvp fleet and you have people wanting to join you, you will let them join if they can bring something to help (no you can't bring a drake to our geddon fleet).

At that point, the whole "You are blobbing us!" argument becomes moot. Everyone brings the biggest number possible every time. Nobody handicaps himself in this game for the sake of the enemy team.

This should be obvious both to whoever is still involved with the "fight" on Delve and to TEST complaining about the SoCo bringing 700 people earlier this year. We didn't had to batphone anyone. They simply showed up and asked if they could fight with us.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Katie Corb
Corb's Emporium of Catgirls and Cynosural Fields
#197 - 2012-07-14 19:20:38 UTC
You do realize that the reason most of our fleets are so big is not because our massive fielding of drakes and whathaveyou, but about 100-200 of those can be newbies in tackle ships that will get popped by one bomb because they perma MWD, right?

:darkelf:
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#198 - 2012-07-14 20:07:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
Show me the guy here complaining specifically about overall fleet numbers and i'll bop him in the nose. Complaining about numbers is the go-to reason for the average annoyed line member (which TEST does a lot too, by the way).

What the more serious among us are on about is that you can't bring a steamrolling supercapital squad to do everything from sov flipping to station camping and still "mock" people for not undocking and not showing up to defend anything.


Well, you can, actually ... but nobody will take it seriously.

EDIT: I need to claim that as an alliance name ...

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#199 - 2012-07-15 02:39:06 UTC
What I really want to see is the Post War Promo videos showing up. I'm sure TEST has some wonderful footage and we all know they are capable of making great promo. Their Mid War video Delve 2012 was very good.... excellent actually. I hope they make more after all is said and done.

Other players in the conflict produced great promo in the past. But if you don't undock you don't get footage and no amount of video editing tools will help you.

I hope Walltreipers make something too. The promo video they made over a year ago was very good (Walltreipers Old Promo). I would love to see a new one made in that same style, but with the titans in it.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#200 - 2012-07-15 03:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Gogela wrote:
So I've been seeing huge plumes of destruction on my map and I'm hearing a lot of conflicting rumors about what exactly is happening in Delve. Is it true that the Goons control most of nullsec in eve (over 50%?!). Is SoCo dead? Did they break up? Can anyone give me a brief synopsis of what happened?

Thanks for any replies...


It was advertised as this massive 50k pilot GIGANTIC war.

http://youtu.be/ZNn3GDBLyFc

What it IS is them steamrolling everyone lol

gudfights indeed

I started watching the online population, looking for 50k spikes and left disapointed

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.