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plz remove Tengu from this game.
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Vizvig
Savage Blizzard
#41 - 2012-07-14 09:19:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizvig
EVE-Kill top 20
http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20
drake 210000 kills
tengu 650000 kills (completely useless in pvp)
hurricane 575000 kills

Jita:

Tengus sold about 500
Other t3s sold about 150

NERF THEM

(and also nerf my hurricane too)
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-07-14 09:38:52 UTC
Vizvig wrote:
EVE-Kill top 20
http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20
drake 210000 kills
tengu 650000 kills (completely useless in pvp)
hurricane 575000 kills

Jita:

Tengus sold about 500
Other t3s sold about 150

NERF THEM

(and also nerf my hurricane too)



Hey look there's Lachesis on the list, Gallente are OP !!

As for completion time someone asked for, there's nothing that can match a well faction fitted Machariel, not even a 5 billion Tengu.

Also: Lokis are Tengu natural predator, therefore Lokis are overpowered, nerf them ! Lol

brb
Ong
Lumberjack Commandos
#43 - 2012-07-14 12:35:13 UTC
I think what the OP meant to say was:

Thank you ccp for making a good ship, now can u make the other T3's a little better so they balance a bit more.


Also gtfo with the nerf culture in this game, your all teribad.
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-07-14 13:35:59 UTC
Ong wrote:
I think what the OP meant to say was:

Thank you ccp for making a good ship, now can u make the other T3's a little better so they balance a bit more.


Also gtfo with the nerf culture in this game, your all teribad.

Yes, lets adjust 100+ ships instead of nerfing the OP ones to protect the ego of "terribad" pilots.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-07-14 14:12:55 UTC
Voith wrote:
Ong wrote:
I think what the OP meant to say was:

Thank you ccp for making a good ship, now can u make the other T3's a little better so they balance a bit more.


Also gtfo with the nerf culture in this game, your all teribad.

Yes, lets adjust 100+ ships instead of nerfing the OP ones to protect the ego of "terribad" pilots.


>implying that tengu is too good in relation to all other ships, not just the other T3s.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#46 - 2012-07-14 14:39:20 UTC
All T3s will be looked at when CCP gets around to fixing cruisers. So... expect Tengu modifications (if CCP thinks it needs any) in about 2 years.
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-07-14 16:12:25 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Voith wrote:
Ong wrote:
I think what the OP meant to say was:

Thank you ccp for making a good ship, now can u make the other T3's a little better so they balance a bit more.


Also gtfo with the nerf culture in this game, your all teribad.

Yes, lets adjust 100+ ships instead of nerfing the OP ones to protect the ego of "terribad" pilots.


>implying that tengu is too good in relation to all other ships, not just the other T3s.

1) Has Valid "fleet doctrine" - Tengu fleet is real in pvp
2) Has fantastic small gang setups (100mn ab, tank'n'gank)
3) Premier PvE ship


Best Ship PvE, Best Ship PvP, but you're right, it isn't that good.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#48 - 2012-07-14 16:53:02 UTC
Mercury Alar wrote:
if u want to run mission ,fly tengu
if u want to get DED in high/low sec even in null sec(ninja) ,fly tengu

so tengu is PVE

it has broken the balance of this game

for the variety REMOVE IT.THX




Tengus kind of suck vs EM rats. maybe leave Caldari space for a change?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#49 - 2012-07-14 16:53:53 UTC
Voith wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
Voith wrote:
Ong wrote:
I think what the OP meant to say was:

Thank you ccp for making a good ship, now can u make the other T3's a little better so they balance a bit more.


Also gtfo with the nerf culture in this game, your all teribad.

Yes, lets adjust 100+ ships instead of nerfing the OP ones to protect the ego of "terribad" pilots.


>implying that tengu is too good in relation to all other ships, not just the other T3s.

1) Has Valid "fleet doctrine" - Tengu fleet is real in pvp
2) Has fantastic small gang setups (100mn ab, tank'n'gank)
3) Premier PvE ship


Best Ship PvE, Best Ship PvP, but you're right, it isn't that good.



Tengu isn't "best" in PvP. It's usable, it has its roles that it does well, but it's flat out dishonest to say that it's the "best".

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#50 - 2012-07-14 17:39:09 UTC
I don't really care about Tengus. I'd just like it if legions could be something other than what amounts to either a curse with more buffer and no range bonus, two harbingers taped together or a sacrilege that costs 4 times as much.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-07-14 18:13:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Caitlyn Tufy
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Ayeshah Volfield wrote:
Popularity should never be a factor when it comes to balance.


Popularity is a sign that something is imbalanced.

If people chose Spacesubmarine A over Spacesubmarine B, then there is an obvious issue here.



People in general are sheep - they do what others tell them to do. Someone uses Spacesubmarine A and says "hm, this thing's pretty awesome." Before you know it, 1001 player flies the A while another 1001 complains how B sucks - and none of those 2002 will take time to check on how B actually is until that first Someone says that B's actually better than A - at which point 1001 player switches to B and the other 1001 complain about A sucking.

What people fail to understand is that the ships are different and each built with distinct advantages and disadvantages. There are situations where you'd want a Loki or a Proteus over a Tengu - because, once again, they are different.

Want to prove me wrong? Not a problem - show me a viable hybrid Tengu that will be as good as a missile one and I'll concede defeat. Until then, I stand by my claim.
GreenSeed
#52 - 2012-07-14 18:23:38 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Ayeshah Volfield wrote:
Popularity should never be a factor when it comes to balance.


Popularity is a sign that something is imbalanced.

If people chose Spacesubmarine A over Spacesubmarine B, then there is an obvious issue here.

what?

sometimes i read stuff like this and im really afraid that wow refugees like you might ruin this game for all of us.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#53 - 2012-07-14 20:07:49 UTC  |  Edited by: RavenPaine
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:



People in general are sheep - they do what others tell them to do. Someone uses Spacesubmarine A and says "hm, this thing's pretty awesome." Before you know it, 1001 player flies the A while another 1001 complains how B sucks - and none of those 2002 will take time to check on how B actually is until that first Someone says that B's actually better than A - at which point 1001 player switches to B and the other 1001 complain about A sucking.

What people fail to understand is that the ships are different and each built with distinct advantages and disadvantages. There are situations where you'd want a Loki or a Proteus over a Tengu - because, once again, they are different.



This part here reminds me of the history of the Drake. People used to laugh at the Drake and all who flew it. "LOL Caldari" "LOL DPS" "LOL Shield Tank" etc. etc.
Now suddenly those same ppl want the Drake nerfed because it's SO OP!.

I just want to add:
The Tengu is precisely, perfectly, beautifully balanced. Because guess what?
YOU can fly 1 too!
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-07-14 22:06:52 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Voith wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
Voith wrote:
Ong wrote:
I think what the OP meant to say was:

Thank you ccp for making a good ship, now can u make the other T3's a little better so they balance a bit more.


Also gtfo with the nerf culture in this game, your all teribad.

Yes, lets adjust 100+ ships instead of nerfing the OP ones to protect the ego of "terribad" pilots.


>implying that tengu is too good in relation to all other ships, not just the other T3s.

1) Has Valid "fleet doctrine" - Tengu fleet is real in pvp
2) Has fantastic small gang setups (100mn ab, tank'n'gank)
3) Premier PvE ship


Best Ship PvE, Best Ship PvP, but you're right, it isn't that good.



Tengu isn't "best" in PvP. It's usable, it has its roles that it does well, but it's flat out dishonest to say that it's the "best".

Start naming other ships that have valid setups for solo, small gang and fleet combat.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#55 - 2012-07-14 22:55:55 UTC
Typhoon
Armageddon
Vindicator
Machariel
Tempest

Sleipnir
Astarte
Nighthawk
Drake
Cyclone
Hurricane

Stabber Fleet
Rupture
Loki
Zealot
Pilgrim
Ishtar
Vagabond
Cynabal

Harpy
Enyo
Dramiel
Vengeance
Ishkur
Wolf
Thrasher

All are multi-use ships. I'm sure I missed some.
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2012-07-14 23:32:37 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
Typhoon
Armageddon
Vindicator
Machariel
Tempest

Sleipnir
Astarte
Nighthawk
Drake
Cyclone
Hurricane

Stabber Fleet
Rupture
Loki
Zealot
Pilgrim
Ishtar
Vagabond
Cynabal

Harpy
Enyo
Dramiel
Vengeance
Ishkur
Wolf
Thrasher

All are multi-use ships. I'm sure I missed some.

You're dumb.

Let me know when "Wolf Fleet" is a doctrine of a major alliance. Or Any other of those ships you listed other than Drake and Tempest.
McRoll
Extraction and Exploration Ltd.
#57 - 2012-07-14 23:55:03 UTC
Of what does PvE consist for you, OP? I dont know about you but for me there are missions, exploration, Incursions, WH's and belt/anomaly ratting. Note that they come with different NPC's with different damage profiles. Also note that the Tengu has about 700 of delayed DPS with heavy missiles, drops in performance vs frigs and has kinetic damage bonus.

Without going too much into detail I can safely say that my Vargur and Machariel **** all over the Tengu any time of the day in missions and there are way better choices for Incursions as well. I didn't do much belt ratting but even there I would prefer a high DPS battleship with instant damage. And this is in Caldari space where missiles perform the best.

This leaves exploration and WH's and not "all of PvE". If a ship is good at 2 activities, nothing wrong with that. If you are going to gimp yourself with sub-par DPS in a safe environment, your loss.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#58 - 2012-07-15 00:33:12 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I don't really care about Tengus. I'd just like it if legions could be something other than what amounts to either a curse with more buffer and no range bonus, two harbingers taped together or a sacrilege that costs 4 times as much.


^ ^ ^ ^ ^

/praying for update or buff to it sooner rather than later. Love my Legion. Bear

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#59 - 2012-07-15 03:09:29 UTC  |  Edited by: RavenPaine
Voith wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
Typhoon
Armageddon
Vindicator
Machariel
Tempest

Sleipnir
Astarte
Nighthawk
Drake
Cyclone
Hurricane

Stabber Fleet
Rupture
Loki
Zealot
Pilgrim
Ishtar
Vagabond
Cynabal

Harpy
Enyo
Dramiel
Vengeance
Ishkur
Wolf
Thrasher

All are multi-use ships. I'm sure I missed some.

You're dumb.

Let me know when "Wolf Fleet" is a doctrine of a major alliance. Or Any other of those ships you listed other than Drake and Tempest.


Your previous post had asked for ships for: Quote "Solo, small gang, and fleet combat"
Wolf fits that description easily.

If you wanted "Major alliance fleet doctrine" you should have been specific. Then I would have removed some ships but added a couple others.
"Major alliance fleet doctrine" is such a small part of the game... Not sure it is even relevent to this thread.
I'm not sure what your point even was.
But it helps prove my point, that the Tengu is not OP. Surely it is not OMFG NERF THE HEAVY MISSILE CRUISER HULL.

You're Dumb
Post with your main or gtfo
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-07-15 11:22:55 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
Voith wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
Typhoon
Armageddon
Vindicator
Machariel
Tempest

Sleipnir
Astarte
Nighthawk
Drake
Cyclone
Hurricane

Stabber Fleet
Rupture
Loki
Zealot
Pilgrim
Ishtar
Vagabond
Cynabal

Harpy
Enyo
Dramiel
Vengeance
Ishkur
Wolf
Thrasher

All are multi-use ships. I'm sure I missed some.

You're dumb.

Let me know when "Wolf Fleet" is a doctrine of a major alliance. Or Any other of those ships you listed other than Drake and Tempest.


Your previous post had asked for ships for: Quote "Solo, small gang, and fleet combat"
Wolf fits that description easily.

If you wanted "Major alliance fleet doctrine" you should have been specific. Then I would have removed some ships but added a couple others.
"Major alliance fleet doctrine" is such a small part of the game... Not sure it is even relevent to this thread.
I'm not sure what your point even was.
But it helps prove my point, that the Tengu is not OP. Surely it is not OMFG NERF THE HEAVY MISSILE CRUISER HULL.

You're Dumb
Post with your main or gtfo


And if he still thinks Tengu fleets are OP ask Raiden what they think about. Yes it's a very good ship bringing some advantages to the field but it's nowhere close to OP.
Most people just don't have a single idea what they're talking about when it some to Tengu and what makes it stronger when properly used.

And as someone just said above, nerf stuff that doesn't need to is as much idiot as take away an inventory system working perfectly for something laggy, awkward and overall worst. It's just counter productive and doesn't makes everything else easier or better.

brb