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Vigilant, why isn't it used more often?
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Ruareve
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-07-11 03:47:43 UTC
I was flipping through ships today and I was wondering why the vigilant isn't used more often in the tournament considering it has substantial damage bonus, and web bonus. Seems like it might be a better option for rush teams than a Deimos or Brutix.

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Ophey Won
Inviolable
Omnivores
#2 - 2012-07-11 04:19:59 UTC
Ruareve wrote:
I was flipping through ships today and I was wondering why the vigilant isn't used more often in the tournament considering it has substantial damage bonus, and web bonus. Seems like it might be a better option for rush teams than a Deimos or Brutix.



I think it has more to do with how many point it cost to field it vs other stuff they can put there.

A faction cruiser cost 14 points. for that you could do a tier 1 BC and a Assault frig.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-07-11 07:09:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
Ophey Won wrote:
I think it has more to do with how many point it cost to field it vs other stuff they can put there.

A faction cruiser cost 14 points. for that you could do a tier 1 BC and a Assault frig.


Yeah, pretty much this, it's a really inefficient use of points. You can't really use it to burn after logis/kite setups and it doesn't have the tank of the Vindi to sit at 0 and trade blows with Sleipnirs/Cyclones. It's not a problem specific to the Vigilant, there aren't many faction cruisers worth 14 points, an issue shared with HACs as well.
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#4 - 2012-07-11 09:48:09 UTC
yeah for the point value you can field two ships, which means an extra ship for the opponents ewar to focus on, and in the vigi example, you get a better tanking ship with more or less equal dps and get to use the second ship for the vigis tackle, or whatever else you may feel like using it for.

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Ruareve
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-07-11 18:40:01 UTC
Thank you for the replies, I thought point cost might be a factor.

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Lemster
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-07-11 18:46:11 UTC
One more if I may. The Vigilant doesn't have t2 resists, the Deimos does. In situations with potentially high incoming DPS most choose to sacrifice a little deeps for more tanking ability.
Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#7 - 2012-07-13 21:59:52 UTC
I think it's also a factor of tank. The vigilant is a great dps platform but it has no tank bonuses, no T2 resists, and as a cruiser hull it doesn't have much in the way of buffer for logistics (or a XL ancillary with a couple co-procs) to work with. Someone puts one on the field and the other team is going to pretty much instantly take a giant dump on it.. and it's not like it can burn out to 50k and be useful, it's a blaster boat, it has to be up in the **** to fulfill its role.

Sleipnirs, Cyclones, Vindicators, Feroxes, Merlins, Hawks, Harpies... most of the non-logistics boats that have been successful (as far as I can remember) have either good tank and great damage, or great tank and good damage.