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so how does lowsec work ?
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4-AcO-DMT
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-07-13 18:19:09 UTC
today ive lost my apoc in 0.4 system. i was coming back from erzoh solar system. its surrounded by two lowsec systems so i had no choice than to make that jump.

there was vindicator and armageddon waiting 15km away from me, and i was 15km away from the gate as i just jumped from highsec so i could not go back. i decided to warp to the next gate of my destination. they locked me before i reached 50% of my total speed and melted me in about 5 secs.

how the hell does lowsec work srsly ?? i thought there are some guns that protect ppl and attack the agressors.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#2 - 2012-07-13 18:23:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Xercodo
Yes there are guns, they do about 500 DPS of dmg iirc

This is roughly about as bad as a tough level 4 mission.

And most PVPers fit buffer tanks, so they can likely last a pretty long time just tanking it without having to use any cap on a repper. Once the target is down they run off to a station and fix themselves up. (after the 60 minute no dock/no jump timer is over of course)

They could also have a logi person to help too. If the logi is on the gate and the logi team watch each other then a group can sit on a gate with perma GCC and tank it forever.

The Drake is a Lie
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-07-13 18:28:34 UTC
4-AcO-DMT wrote:
today ive lost my apoc in 0.4 system. i was coming back from erzoh solar system. its surrounded by two lowsec systems so i had no choice than to make that jump.

there was vindicator and armageddon waiting 15km away from me, and i was 15km away from the gate as i just jumped from highsec so i could not go back. i decided to warp to the next gate of my destination. they locked me before i reached 50% of my total speed and melted me in about 5 secs.

how the hell does lowsec work srsly ?? i thought there are some guns that protect ppl and attack the agressors.


I think the misconception is the word protect...think of it more like punish aggressors.

James315 for CSM 8!
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-07-13 18:29:24 UTC
Did you not see the big sign at the gate?, "Abandon hope all ye who enter here".

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#5 - 2012-07-13 18:31:08 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:

I think the misconception is the word protect...think of it more like punish aggressors.


And by punish he really means tickle.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#6 - 2012-07-13 18:40:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuehnelt
4-AcO-DMT wrote:
today ive lost my apoc in 0.4 system. i was coming back from erzoh solar system. its surrounded by two lowsec systems so i had no choice than to make that jump.

there was vindicator and armageddon waiting 15km away from me, and i was 15km away from the gate as i just jumped from highsec so i could not go back. i decided to warp to the next gate of my destination. they locked me before i reached 50% of my total speed and melted me in about 5 secs.

how the hell does lowsec work srsly ?? i thought there are some guns that protect ppl and attack the agressors.


It seems that you're really making a sly appeal to CCP to "nerf pvp". If not, why don't you join EVE-U's lowsec program? Or ask in New Citizens Q&A? ... although you are much older than me, and I've lived in lowsec since day 2 or so, I still feel that this is a good rookie question. Or maybe Warfare & Tactics: "What should I have done?"

But to answer your question directly: lowsec is a space in which you're given sec hits and sentry aggro for going GCC, but in which CONCORD will not definitely destroy your ship. Thus, two PvP-fit battleships can certainly tackle and kill your PvE apoc in this space. How you can deal with that, or how you can do your own killing in lowsec, is a question for another forum.
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-07-13 18:54:04 UTC
The gate guns only punish frigates.
Pipa Porto
#8 - 2012-07-13 19:49:45 UTC
4-AcO-DMT wrote:
today ive lost my apoc in 0.4 system. i was coming back from erzoh solar system. its surrounded by two lowsec systems so i had no choice than to make that jump.

there was vindicator and armageddon waiting 15km away from me, and i was 15km away from the gate as i just jumped from highsec so i could not go back. i decided to warp to the next gate of my destination. they locked me before i reached 50% of my total speed and melted me in about 5 secs.

how the hell does lowsec work srsly ?? i thought there are some guns that protect ppl and attack the agressors.


Gate Guns are not CONCORD. They do attack aggressors, but they don't do much damage.

Your teachers at E-Uni have failed you badly if you were expecting to get a Battleship through a LS camp safely. Your best bet would have been to try MWDing back through the gate (and if you didn't know you needed one of those, your teachers failed you even worse). You still probably would have died, but you'd have had a chance.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-07-13 20:24:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Why would you jump in with something you weren't ok with losing before you even actually knew how anything in lowsec worked? That's just dumb.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#10 - 2012-07-13 20:26:44 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Why would you jump in before you even actually knew how anything in lowsec worked? That's just dumb.


He THOUGHT he knew how it worked.


I have to agree though that E Uni has failed him or he has failed to ask and/or learn it.

The Drake is a Lie
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-07-13 20:28:41 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
I have to agree though that E Uni has failed him or he has failed to ask and/or learn it.


In Eve-Uni's defense (lol), he's only been in the corp for 12 days.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-07-13 20:31:00 UTC
Dun'Gal wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:

I think the misconception is the word protect...think of it more like punish aggressors.


And by punish he really means tickle.


Lol...it's punishment to me...Rifters and Thrashers don't last too long against those guns... Lol

James315 for CSM 8!
Fidelium Mortis
Minor Major Miners LLC
#13 - 2012-07-13 20:31:35 UTC
Thankfully scouts still work.... even in low-sec.

Jumping blind into a low-sec system with a BS is probably not high on the recommended "to-do" list for EVE unless it's bait and you have a cyno fitted.

ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon
Russell Casey
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-07-13 21:01:55 UTC
Highsec has the cops

Lowsec has the security guards.

But yeah, about all the sentry guns will stop is frigs from tackling you. About all they have to offer for anything bigger is some extra dps which can be worked to your favor if you let them aggress first and have help ready to pounce.
Rain King
Playing Alone Sucks
#15 - 2012-07-13 21:04:31 UTC
Compared to the rest of the game, Low sec doesn't work. It's broken. Smile

Sorry about your loss, that bites.
4-AcO-DMT
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-07-13 21:11:52 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:

Your teachers at E-Uni have failed you badly if you were expecting to get a Battleship through a LS camp safely. Your best bet would have been to try MWDing back through the gate (and if you didn't know you needed one of those, your teachers failed you even worse). You still probably would have died, but you'd have had a chance.



my ship got destroyed in about 8 seconds total. i dont think i would make 15km to the gate with a battleship even with a mwd
Pipa Porto
#17 - 2012-07-13 21:16:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
4-AcO-DMT wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:

Your teachers at E-Uni have failed you badly if you were expecting to get a Battleship through a LS camp safely. Your best bet would have been to try MWDing back through the gate (and if you didn't know you needed one of those, your teachers failed you even worse). You still probably would have died, but you'd have had a chance.



my ship got destroyed in about 8 seconds total. i dont think i would make 15km to the gate with a battleship even with a mwd


So your Battleship only had around 25k EHP?

A PvP fit Vindi will put out say 1600 DPS, and the Geddon will put out say 1000 DPS.

Like I said, You still probably would have died, but trying to warp away guaranteed your loss. Burning back to gate would have given you decent odds, since you'd get their reaction time, locking time, and module delay to burn towards the gate without tackle being a problem.

Next time, when running through dangerous space in a slow ship, scout your route.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-07-13 21:20:48 UTC
Fights in zone transitions areas, taking the v out of PvP, since Everquest.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#19 - 2012-07-13 21:44:04 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
So your Battleship only had around 25k EHP?

A PvP fit Vindi will put out say 1600 DPS, and the Geddon will put out say 1000 DPS.

Like I said, You still probably would have died, but trying to warp away guaranteed your loss. Burning back to gate would have given you decent odds, since you'd get their reaction time, locking time, and module delay to burn towards the gate without tackle being a problem.

Next time, when running through dangerous space in a slow ship, scout your route.

A typical vindicator has 2 90% webs on it. That guy wasn't getting back to the gate once it had him locked.
4-AcO-DMT
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-07-13 21:59:48 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:


Next time, when running through dangerous space in a slow ship, scout your route.


scout, how exactly ?
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