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Crimsonjade
Reikoku
Plug N Play
#21 - 2012-07-13 06:42:51 UTC
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
Bittervets are bitter cause nothing matters and they are too good at the game and theres nothing left for them to do..
That is if you ask them.

Therefore:
Bittervets dont get mad at losing virtual money by having their pixels blown up, they are too good and too rich to care, which in turns make them bitter cause then what is the point of playing.

THAT is a bittervet.


Not quite, Bitter vets see all the whining on forums about how hard eve is and it was easy to playPirate
Peep00
Lord's Rust Removal
#22 - 2012-07-13 07:48:43 UTC
to avoid becomeming a bittervet, i take the game one day at a time and just go on from that point of view
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-07-13 09:00:07 UTC
Now what's so bad about it?
Right now I am sitting on a sizeable pile of isks, but it must have been about 3 months since I last logged into eve for more than a skillchange.
Never thought that shiptoasting on a forum about a game that you no longer actively play would be so much fun, but it's hilarious.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Adalynne Rohks
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-07-13 09:04:04 UTC
Seriously. Go play Diablo 3 for a month. You'll come back a changed man. Much more appreciative of what Eve is :-) You may even vow to never play another Blizzard game ever again..... (like me!)
pussnheels
Viziam
#25 - 2012-07-13 09:12:03 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
to the OP
maybe you need a few months away from the game , while i am not a vet i ve been away for 7 months ,doing other things and when i came back it felt good , except that my old corp had died while i was awayn but never mind that i think i found a new corp now just as fun and even better , we will see

to the others , when are you considered a bittervet
and is there realy something like a bittervet , therre ve been severay things CCP implemented in the past i really didn't like and CCP wil implement other things in the future i will not like and this character is only from 2009, doesn't make me a bitter vet does it
if you feel the game becomes boring it means it is time for you to take a break from the game , most of you will be back and enjoy it as much as before
EvE is not a hobby , EvE is a way of life ( compared to other MMO s atleast and believe me they envy us )

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-07-13 10:58:01 UTC
OP you're just bitter. Leave the vet to people who actually know how this game works.

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Ursula Thrace
Dreamland Augmented Consortium
#27 - 2012-07-13 11:47:24 UTC
i agree with some of the other responses. it's time for you to take a break from eve. i've been eyeballin' this game for a while.

i've got an idea. go play that game, come back and tell me if it's worth trying. Smile

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Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#28 - 2012-07-13 11:53:55 UTC
bitter vets don't angry about ships blowing up...

they don't care
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#29 - 2012-07-13 11:54:16 UTC
Jayna Wolf wrote:
this is not a troll post, i really think i got it. I get way too angry of internet spaceships being blown up etc etc. the point is that i am not having fun anymore like i used to. I use to love blowing stuff up and being blown up. is there a way to get myself out of this bittervetness or am i just stuck with it? Please help.


Thats almost the opposite of a bittervet.

A bittervet is bitter because he sees all the flaws in EVE and hates the fact he's still playing it. Any vet is waaaaaay past the point where losing a ship hurts.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-07-13 12:11:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
I fit Akirei Scytale's definition of bitter vet pretty well. But I have been giving it some thought, and I think that it goes a little deeper then that.





When I was more noobish, I had an Idea of how my EVE game could grow into something larger then myself. That after all is how EVE is marketed; a huge sandbox where anything is possible. So I played the game and tried too, ya know, build my own destiny. Playing the game entails a ridiculous amount of preparation time, time talking too people, time invested and time negotiating with other pilots... ending in about 30 seconds of fun (or) a long drawn out blob fest with lag.



So each time I "created my own destiny" the end result was, well... vastly underwhelming.



To give you an example of what I am talking about, I have built more then one alliance from the ground up (ranging from 1200 to 500 pilots), I have lived in null, I have been a merc, I have tried trade, I have ran numerous PVP schools and I have even "conquered" multiple wormholes. But all of this was just my idea of a game. MY IDEA is the key point here, because playing the game itself never changes. The game was always the same, it was only my idea of it that changed. Kind of like the matrix when they say "there is no spoon?"



What I Have Realized As A Bitter Vet


No matter what you "think" you are doing in EVE online, the GAME NEVER changes. It will always been a great deal of prep-time leading to you blowing up, in a 30-60 sec fire fight or a lengthy lag fest. Every now and then you win, and most of the time you explode. That is the game. The dream of "forging your own destiny" and "creating your own world" is a hallucination on our part, created by CCP's expert marketing campaign. You cannot actually change the game at all. Whether you are in null, in a wormhole, being a merc or teaching 500 people how to conquer the universe... it is the exact same thing in the end.


Arrow lots of prep time
Arrow you get 30-60 sec of semi-satisfaction once you get there
Arrow you usually blow up
Arrow you have to make a new ship, make isk to get a new ship and invest more time doing so... just to do it all over again. ShockedShocked



This pattern IS THE GAME PLAY. That gameplay is not very fun nor is it very rewarding. It is only the idea of EVE's potential keeps us playing. The reward comes from the pursuit of that light at the end of the tunnel. But if you play long enough EVERYONE realizes that there is no light at the end of the tunnel, what you are doing now... and what you have been doing the entire time... is the ENTIRE game, and has been all along. Sad


It takes some people longer to realize this then others. Shamefully, it took me the better part of four years. But once you realize this basic truth of eve (as you seemed to have), you never get that special "flare" for the game back. Because it was never the game play that compelled you in the first place, it was only the idea of what you can become/made/do that did. You will stay because EVE has no competition (yet) but if it did, you would be happy to leave. You can't leave because if you did, where would you go? What would you play? WOW? No. So you are stuck in this weird "EVE sucks balls" limbo like so many of the rest of us who do not log in anymore.

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-07-13 12:28:24 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I fit Akirei Scytale's definition of bitter vet pretty well. But I have been giving it some thought, and I think that it goes a little deeper then that.





When I was more noobish, I had an Idea of how my EVE game could grow into something larger then myself. That after all is how EVE is marketed; a huge sandbox where anything is possible. So I played the game and tried too, ya know, build my own destiny. Playing the game entails a ridiculous amount of preparation time, time talking too people, time invested and time negotiating with other pilots... ending in about 30 seconds of fun (or) a long drawn out blob fest with lag.



So each time I "created my own destiny" the end result was, well... vastly underwhelming.



To give you an example of what I am talking about, I have built more then one alliance from the ground up (ranging from 1200 to 500 pilots), I have lived in null, I have been a merc, I have tried trade, I have ran numerous PVP schools and I have even "conquered" multiple wormholes. But all of this was just my idea of a game. MY IDEA is the key point here, because playing the game itself never changes. The game was always the same, it was only my idea of it that changed. Kind of like the matrix when they say "there is no spoon?"



What I Have Realized As A Bitter Vet


No matter what you "think" you are doing in EVE online, the GAME NEVER changes. It will always been a great deal of prep-time leading to you blowing up, in a 30-60 sec fire fight or a lengthy lag fest. Every now and then you win, and most of the time you explode. That is the game. The dream of "forging your own destiny" and "creating your own world" is a hallucination on our part, created by CCP's expert marketing campaign. You cannot actually change the game at all. Whether you are in null, in a wormhole, being a merc or teaching 500 people how to conquer the universe... it is the exact same thing in the end.


Arrow lots of prep time
Arrow you get 30-60 sec of semi-satisfaction once you get there
Arrow you usually blow up
Arrow you have to make a new ship, make isk to get a new ship and invest more time doing so... just to do it all over again. ShockedShocked



This pattern IS THE GAME PLAY. That gameplay is not very fun nor is it very rewarding. It is only the idea of EVE's potential keeps us playing. The reward comes from the pursuit of that light at the end of the tunnel. But if you play long enough EVERYONE realizes that there is no light at the end of the tunnel, what you are doing now... and what you have been doing the entire time... is the ENTIRE game, and has been all along. Sad


It takes some people longer to realize this then others. Shamefully, it took me the better part of four years. But once you realize this basic truth of eve (as you seemed to have), you never get that special "flare" for the game back. Because it was never the game play that compelled you in the first place, it was only the idea of what you can become/made/do that did. You will stay because EVE has no competition (yet) but if it did, you would be happy to leave. You can't leave because if you did, where would you go? What would you play? WOW? No. So you are stuck in this weird "EVE sucks balls" limbo like so many of the rest of us who do not log in anymore.



I just feel really sad after I read this post. And the more I think about it the more I think he is waaaay closer to the truth about Eve.Sad

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-07-13 12:42:15 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
I just feel really sad after I read this post. And the more I think about it the more I think he is waaaay closer to the truth about Eve.Sad


All games have rules and limitations, and so do eve, but it's not so limited that you only grind isk for ship and blow them up, if so it's because you choose to play the game that way.

What i really like about eve is the long term goals, it's the goals and all the small baby steps you need to take to reach them, that makes it fun to play eve.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-07-13 12:58:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
dexington wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
I just feel really sad after I read this post. And the more I think about it the more I think he is waaaay closer to the truth about Eve.Sad


All games have rules and limitations, and so do eve, but it's not so limited that you only grind isk for ship and blow them up, if so it's because you choose to play the game that way.

What i really like about eve is the long term goals, it's the goals and all the small baby steps you need to take to reach them, that makes it fun to play eve.




Quoting a 2010 player who does not understand what I wrote. You are still young enough to believe in the endlessness of eve's possibilities and the supposed "long term goals" that you speak of. You will figure it out eventually.

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Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#34 - 2012-07-13 13:18:20 UTC
/me stands up.

Hi,

My name is Nirnias Stirrum and i am a bitter vet!
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-07-13 13:29:10 UTC
Join a decent corp that has fun and has a good laugh all the time even if your fleet is lost. I hear Sons Of 0din are recruiting...

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-07-13 14:05:22 UTC
I agree with Akirei, I can't see how a bittervet can get bitter from losing ships. In my opinion even anyone who has played for quite a while won't care. But I do believe this, bittervets usually having a hard time when someone said they are wrong, for Eve related stuff at least.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#37 - 2012-07-13 15:13:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Jayna Wolf wrote:
Large Collidable Object, please explain, perhaps my definition of bittervet is incorrect, because as i understood getting irate and irational over pixels getting blown up by people new to the game in comparison to someone older in the game was a bittervet, i could be wrong though, i have been many times before.



My definition of a bitter vet is someone who is unable to get any excitement from the game - be it positive or negative. Anger about ship losses is some kind of excitement, so I wouldn't call that part of the bittervet syndrome.

In the beginning, people tend to get adrenaline shakes when engaging in pvp, get angry about ship losses and can't wait for skill x to finish and are excited about all the new stuff to try.

A bitter vet has tried everything he was remotely interested in and done the better things ad nauseam, trains some lesser used skills to V because he doesn't have anything new to train for, is bored with pvp and thus shrugs of ship losses because there's nothing exciting to buy anymore.

And no - it doesn't have anything to do with being rich or 'good' as someone suggested - it really is apathy - in some cases agony.

Getting mad about being killed by a newer player doesn't have anything to do with it (that's a little odd behaviour anyway - I can't remember to ever have bothered with checking character age before or after a fight in years...).

Edit: Actually the way the jovian disease is described by CCP imho is a pretty close approximation of what I'd call bittervet syndrome...
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Naomi Reiku
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-07-13 15:16:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Naomi Reiku
Play Diablo 3.

Look at the Diablo 3 forums: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/3354739/

You start to appriciate Eve.
Jayna Wolf
Church of the broken God
#39 - 2012-07-13 19:04:33 UTC
well after reading all the responses your right im not quite there for bittervet, close but not complete. as for just being bitter, well yeah i remember why i joined a 0.0 corp/alliance/faction war/highsec war deccing corp. looking back on it, all that stuff had seemed so much cooler, until i actually did it, and it was alot of staying docked or just not being allowed to do anything.

no, ill have nothing to do with diablo3 (i did read that forum.) guess i just go do the one thing that actually gave some amusement. well thats pretty much it. time to go erode my soul from mining/pi i guess. shout out to unsol, will you boys at least TRY NOT to implode another alliance? fly safe (or unsafe) all.
Chump Clone
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-07-13 22:00:03 UTC
Jayna Wolf wrote:
will you boys at least TRY NOT to implode another alliance?



Why not? More space for us younger players.
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