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GM's setting wallet to Negative - A bit harsh?
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Ping Pang Pong
Doomheim
#101 - 2012-07-09 03:59:55 UTC
Singeabooty Raj wrote:
Hammerin' Snatch wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
You still have a noobship and a mining laser. To the belts!


=D

Would be interesting to find out how long that would take, I honestly imagine upwards of a year! xD
Unless he uses the trade window to sell what he mines to another character he would be unable to sell it on the market even to buy orders as it involves tax which he is unable to pay. Ammo wise should have gone Amarr Big smile



You can't use trade either as you have to have 0 isk, and he is at a negative balance.

I do believe CCP should give an option to people caught using RMT. They can either take the negative wallet or take x amount of time for a ban. The ban length would depend on how many infractions the account has, and possibly how big of an offense it was.

As it stands setting a toons wallet to negative effectively kills the character. You can't buy clone upgrades, you can't direct trade, you can't sell, you can repair ships, etc. Basically can't do much of anything but biomass or if it is a high enough SP toon, sell it on the bazaar.
Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#102 - 2012-07-09 04:55:31 UTC
Ping Pang Pong wrote:

As it stands setting a toons wallet to negative effectively kills the character. You can't buy clone upgrades, you can't direct trade, you can't sell, you can repair ships, etc. Basically can't do much of anything but biomass or if it is a high enough SP toon, sell it on the bazaar.


It's almost as if CCP doesn't want you to RMT...

The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#103 - 2012-07-09 08:04:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Ping Pang Pong wrote:
[...]

I do believe CCP should give an option to people caught using RMT. They can either take the negative wallet or take x amount of time for a ban. The ban length would depend on how many infractions the account has, and possibly how big of an offense it was.

As it stands setting a toons wallet to negative effectively kills the character. You can't buy clone upgrades, you can't direct trade, you can't sell, you can repair ships, etc. Basically can't do much of anything but biomass or if it is a high enough SP toon, sell it on the bazaar.



Wait, what?

In order:

No, they shouldn't.

And, why is this a bad thing?

They should IP-permaban the account and alt accounts, is what they should do. Although I do rather like the idea of letting the parasite twist, choke, and bleed for a while--poetic justice makes me lol--it still leaves a potential "out" for the parasite in question, and we really don't want that.

Just as an aside, why are you trying to defend that which should never be defended by any decent player?

E:

There are plenty of pay-to-win shitfest excuses for games out there--pay to win, is in principle, legitimised RMT--so if you want to do that, then why don't you go play one?

I hear Diablo 3 does this quite extensively.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#104 - 2012-07-09 08:18:31 UTC
Beachura wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Daisai wrote:
Quit the game and find another one to ruin with RMT, you worthless parasite.



Fixed.

No ******* sympathy, the door is that way ---->




Hey, individuals like you are the reason eve is less populated than it should be. It's not everyone else's fault you're heartless, cold and moronic because you live in a basement with your parents and don't understand the term 'relationship'. The guy paid some real life cash to help him in a game, he doesn't deserve that kind of comment kid.


I seriously just lol'ed IRL at this.

Notsureiftroll, but if so, then well-done: 9/10!

And no, he didn't.

What he did was RMT, which is against EULA, and actually (technically) IRL-illegal (intellectual-property/copyright violation) lots of places.

So yes, he does deserve that kind of comment--and much worse besides, but I don't want to get forums-banned--again--so I had to heavily "self-moderate" what I really want to say to filth like that.

There are lots of other games out there his ilk can go try and ruin, this ultimately changes little--or if he wants to legitimately "pay to win"--which is just officially legitimate RMT if you think about it--well, then there are plenty of games like that, too. Added bonus of not having to look over your shoulder whilst laundering the gains, either.

Going from your pathetic attempt to insult me, I would say that it is you who are the immature one here, troll-child, not me.

Next!

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#105 - 2012-07-09 08:47:46 UTC
I don't see why they just don't outright ban the accounts.

and couldn't he still technically buy plex with an alt, sell it, then dump the cash back into his character until he has a positive balance?
Lukriss
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#106 - 2012-07-09 10:51:31 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I don't see why they just don't outright ban the accounts.

and couldn't he still technically buy plex with an alt, sell it, then dump the cash back into his character until he has a positive balance?


That's pretty much the only way to correct it yes.
Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
#107 - 2012-07-09 12:30:48 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I don't see why they just don't outright ban the accounts.

and couldn't he still technically buy plex with an alt, sell it, then dump the cash back into his character until he has a positive balance?


Because this way the offender gets the choice between:

1) Coughing up all the PLEX that he retroactively owes CCP as his "penace", benefitting CCP and every other legit player by extension, ala community service
2) Losing the ability to play on his beloved main as his "penace", with the player paying for the crime but no other benefit to anyone else.
3) Ragequitting the game

It's a system that encourages rehabilitation, so to speak, with option 1) being a good thing for CCP and the rest of the gaming community as a whole. Also the chance that the person in question toes the line the second time round, so keeping another player around for the game and the community. Yes, yes, who wants RMTers around - But look at it this way - Someone who feels the need to RMT instead of - not being terribad - at the game is actually a pretty valuable asset for everyone else, and worth having around for your income. Throwing down the banhammer on every single case removes the possibility of such benefits for everyone else.

I'm talking only about the practical benefits of the current penace system because I don't really believe that any RMTers really feel sorry for what they did, only that they got caught doing it.

Also, it's deliciously ironic, which is always an added bonus.
drunk asfck
Doomheim
#108 - 2012-07-09 15:35:47 UTC
start doing emp ganks

make a alt to buy sh!t and pass to that neg wallet toon and just start emp ganking till u make enough isk to pay your debt
AndromacheDarkstar
Integrated Insterstellar Holdings
#109 - 2012-07-09 15:56:33 UTC
You make an interesting point with regards to not being able to repair your ship or really get yourself back into the game however it was your fault so what can you do. It would however be more sensible for CCP to reset your wallet nad strip your assets
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#110 - 2012-07-09 18:18:41 UTC
You sir, are an idiot of the lowest degree, grade and caliber.

Go **** yourself you RMT'ing piece of ****.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

||CEO: Order of the Shadow||Executor: The Revenant Order||Creator: Bowhead||
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#111 - 2012-07-10 12:31:32 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
You sir, are an idiot of the lowest degree, grade and caliber.

Go **** yourself you RMT'ing piece of ****.


^^That.^^

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Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#112 - 2012-07-10 13:22:51 UTC
Hammerin' Snatch wrote:

Have they always punished players who buy isk like this?

Yes


Quote:

Edit:
Going to Biomass Hammer.
My own fault for cheating, I deserve as much as I get.
Sorry everyone.

Fly safe o7


Kind of a stupid option. You won't ever get those skillpoints back you know, and by the time you do have those skillpoints again, you'll have paid more money in subscriptions to your new account than it would have cost to buy plex legitimately to reverse your wallet.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Otto Phallatio
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2012-07-10 13:22:59 UTC
One more time... 'Hammerin' Snatch' is possibly the best name I've ever seen.... honestly, it's had me chuckling for days..... but why are you people still here? Don't you realize the Chribba scam thread is FAR superior?

"You know, one in the pink, three in the stink... romance!"
Smegma Cheesedog
Doomheim
#114 - 2012-07-10 13:35:59 UTC
reroll something with a less offensive name.
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#115 - 2012-07-11 00:06:13 UTC
Otto Phallatio wrote:
One more time... 'Hammerin' Snatch' is possibly the best name I've ever seen....


Agreed. I think he could find work in a certain adult industry.

John Hancock
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#116 - 2012-07-11 01:33:52 UTC
Kepie wrote:
Do you always violate things you agree to?

The most commonly told lie on earth. "I have read the terms and conditions."
So what if you RMT'd. I don't really see a reason not to do it.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#117 - 2012-07-11 17:37:45 UTC
hahah, i love it when the cheaters get **** on.

thanks for this OP
Signal11th
#118 - 2012-07-12 12:26:51 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Create an alt. to generate income for ammo and such. Or create a new account to work alongside your main.



o7



This is your quickest solution, to be honest I would just create a trading alt and to be honest if not making 2-4 bill a month your doing it wrong.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Frillo Teslar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2012-07-13 12:10:01 UTC
Hammerin' Snatch wrote:
Alright so he's what I'm thinking on this matter, if you disagree, fair enough.

If you buy Isk or PLEX from a site not sanctioned by CCP I thought they will ban you if caught?

I for the last 5 months or so have been incredibly stupid enough to buy my PLEX from a external site. Yes yes I know, flame me etc but I was low on cash and well....lets me honest, its a lot cheaper on some sites.
Anyway, I've been getting away with it until I log in today and noticed that my balance is set to a negative. I check to see that a GM has set it to this amount.
Uh oh, busted...

Yep, well quite frankly thats what I get for being a idiot and breaking the rules right?
Well...sort of...

My wallet now sits at quite a large negative number, well into the billions.
This is my only toon, my main. Grinding back up that kind of isk will take a looooong time...
I thought I'd sell some stuff, ships etc to get the ball rolling.
Oh wait, I can't sell due to the sellers tax.

Better go mission.
Oh wait, I can't repair or buy ammo.


Have they always punished players who buy isk like this?

I'm sorry for what I've done and I completely deserve to be punished but quite frankly I'd prefer a ban and my wallet set to 0.
At least after a ban I will return to EvE without question, but this? I have no way of making up that isk unless I spend months missioning...thats a tad bit harsh CCP don't you think?


So I guess I'm just looking for a GM or such to respond with their view on this matter.
I'm all for taking a ban, I deserve to be banned for a time, I broke the rules.

I just don't agree with this form of punishment.

Thanks


Edit:
Going to Biomass Hammer.
My own fault for cheating, I deserve as much as I get.
Sorry everyone.

Fly safe o7


If you're broke pay with plex. Be smart
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#120 - 2012-07-13 16:16:53 UTC
Otto Phallatio wrote:
One more time... 'Hammerin' Snatch' is possibly the best name I've ever seen.... honestly, it's had me chuckling for days.....

Yours is pretty entertaining, as well. Twisted

It occurs to me that one could, if sufficiently determined, rat in a n00bship for bounties, and eventually (years) later go positive. No need to repair it, either - Just ditch it and dock-up in your pod, and you're re-equipped.

Eventually, you should be sitting on a veritble mountain of ****-end loot to reprocess - when (in your old grey beard) you go positive again...

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