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Scythe Fleet issue
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Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#1 - 2012-07-12 14:25:10 UTC
So this ship has awesome potential. It just seems the forgot to add about 150-200 base grid and 50 CPU to it when they released it.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2012-07-12 14:44:15 UTC
nah, its fittings are in-line with other races. Winmatards are just so used to being able to fit biggest everything with tons of grid left over that they forget sometimes you have to make choices.

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Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#3 - 2012-07-12 14:55:52 UTC
Batelle wrote:
nah, its fittings are in-line with other races. Winmatards are just so used to being able to fit biggest everything with tons of grid left over that they forget sometimes you have to make choices.


nice, another 'flame minmatar' reply.
Lazor Master
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-07-12 19:20:15 UTC
Its a poor boat, the least flown in the whole game.

My main issue with it is the CPU, its too low. Because I like flying weird ships and this is the only one I cannot make work. I mean the Navy Osprey is terrible as well but not as bad as this one.
Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-07-12 20:22:57 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
So this ship has awesome potential. It just seems the forgot to add about 150-200 base grid and 50 CPU to it when they released it.


You can get an okay fit out of it, sort of. It's split weapon system does more harm than good because you get effectively get only one weapon bonus, and it requires double the skills to be as effective as similar Faction Cruisers. Its one saving grace is that it is the second fastest cruiser in the Minmatar line up.

Here was my take on it, on my blog: http://2ndanomalyfromtheleft.wordpress.com/2011/06/14/fleet-issue-scythe-the-mini-typhoon/

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-07-13 03:27:52 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Batelle wrote:
nah, its fittings are in-line with other races. Winmatards are just so used to being able to fit biggest everything with tons of grid left over that they forget sometimes you have to make choices.


nice, another 'flame minmatar' reply.

Nice, another 'minmatar is supposed to be good at everything' whine.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#7 - 2012-07-13 03:53:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
Batelle wrote:
nah, its fittings are in-line with other races. Winmatards are just so used to being able to fit biggest everything with tons of grid left over that they forget sometimes you have to make choices.


nice, another 'flame minmatar' reply.

Nice, another 'minmatar is supposed to be good at everything' whine.


A bad ship is a bad ship regardless of what race it's in. What, you can't fly everything?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Alara IonStorm
#8 - 2012-07-13 04:09:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Liang Nuren wrote:

A bad ship is a bad ship regardless of what race it's in. What, you can't fly everything?

-Liang

Seriously this. Minmatar only have a few ships left that are easier to fit then the other races since the Hybrid fitting buff.

The field is more widespread then I have ever seen it. The next round of balancing is going to prop up the tiered down lemmings.

I hope the Sycthe and the other Tier 1 Factions get upped with that.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-07-13 06:39:14 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Liang Nuren wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
Batelle wrote:
nah, its fittings are in-line with other races. Winmatards are just so used to being able to fit biggest everything with tons of grid left over that they forget sometimes you have to make choices.


nice, another 'flame minmatar' reply.

Nice, another 'minmatar is supposed to be good at everything' whine.


A bad ship is a bad ship regardless of what race it's in. What, you can't fly everything?

-Liang

Maybe the Scythe Fleet Issue is just a member of that special class of ships we affectionately call Navy Issue Cruisers, which all happen to suck.

With your attitude, why even bother with balance at all?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-07-13 07:00:58 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Maybe the Scythe Fleet Issue is just a member of that special class of ships we affectionately call Navy Issue Cruisers, which all happen to suck.?


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Caracal_Navy_Issue

Considered better than the HAC variant by many and one hell of a frigate slayer, when fitted right.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#11 - 2012-07-13 07:11:45 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Maybe the Scythe Fleet Issue is just a member of that special class of ships we affectionately call Navy Issue Cruisers, which all happen to suck.

With your attitude, why even bother with balance at all?


Wow, you are a ******.

navy caracal is almost as good as the Cerberus in some aspects, and better in others. Plus its half the price.

Navy Omen is a rival for the Zealot. It's better at basically everything, except it doesn't have a range bonus or T2 resists.... but it has the slots to make up for this.

the navy vexor is only worse than the ishtar because it can field a full rack of Heavies

Stabber fleet issue is, again, rival to the vagabond but with less range and slightly slower.

Getting bored of the phrase 'winmatar'. Been flying this race for like 6 years and i've seen them go from average/good to worse race in the game. A few buffs so you actually WANT to fly minmatar ships and suddenly people p*ss their pants.

Go apply the prep-H and stop crying on legitimate discussion threads.
Noisrevbus
#12 - 2012-07-13 08:31:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Noisrevbus
Maeltstome wrote:

Wow, you are a ******.

navy caracal is almost as good as the Cerberus in some aspects, and better in others. Plus its half the price.

Navy Omen is a rival for the Zealot. It's better at basically everything, except it doesn't have a range bonus or T2 resists.... but it has the slots to make up for this.

the navy vexor is only worse than the ishtar because it can field a full rack of Heavies

Stabber fleet issue is, again, rival to the vagabond but with less range and slightly slower.

Getting bored of the phrase 'winmatar'. Been flying this race for like 6 years and i've seen them go from average/good to worse race in the game. A few buffs so you actually WANT to fly minmatar ships and suddenly people p*ss their pants.

Go apply the prep-H and stop crying on legitimate discussion threads.


So the NCal is almost as good as a ship barely used?

The NOmen is better at everything beside the only two reasons people have ever used Zealots?

The NVexor as much as the NOmen have everything - but - the sole appeal of the Ishtar?

Let's face it, all those Navy Cruisers are images of rarely used HAC without that small specialization that make the rarity.

Those resist profiles and the respective niche is what define the class.

No other Navy Cruiser is golden while the Scythe bleed, they're all semi-functional ornaments - how they're meant to be.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#13 - 2012-07-13 10:01:22 UTC
Noisrevbus wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:

Wow, you are a ******.

navy caracal is almost as good as the Cerberus in some aspects, and better in others. Plus its half the price.

Navy Omen is a rival for the Zealot. It's better at basically everything, except it doesn't have a range bonus or T2 resists.... but it has the slots to make up for this.

the navy vexor is only worse than the ishtar because it can field a full rack of Heavies

Stabber fleet issue is, again, rival to the vagabond but with less range and slightly slower.

Getting bored of the phrase 'winmatar'. Been flying this race for like 6 years and i've seen them go from average/good to worse race in the game. A few buffs so you actually WANT to fly minmatar ships and suddenly people p*ss their pants.

Go apply the prep-H and stop crying on legitimate discussion threads.


So the NCal is almost as good as a ship barely used?

The NOmen is better at everything beside the only two reasons people have ever used Zealots?

The NVexor as much as the NOmen have everything - but - the sole appeal of the Ishtar?

Let's face it, all those Navy Cruisers are images of rarely used HAC without that small specialization that make the rarity.

Those resist profiles and the respective niche is what define the class.

No other Navy Cruiser is golden while the Scythe bleed, they're all semi-functional ornaments - how they're meant to be.


Actually can't comprehend the level stupidity being displayed in this thread, simply to 'get one over' on minmatar.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-07-13 10:08:12 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Caracal_Navy_Issue

Considered better than the HAC variant by many and one hell of a frigate slayer, when fitted right.

Congratulations, you just relegated the role of destroyer to a ship one size class higher and about 60 times more expensive.

Maeltstome wrote:
Wow, you are a ******.

navy caracal is almost as good as the Cerberus in some aspects, and better in others. Plus its half the price.

Navy Omen is a rival for the Zealot. It's better at basically everything, except it doesn't have a range bonus or T2 resists.... but it has the slots to make up for this.

the navy vexor is only worse than the ishtar because it can field a full rack of Heavies

Stabber fleet issue is, again, rival to the vagabond but with less range and slightly slower.

Getting bored of the phrase 'winmatar'. Been flying this race for like 6 years and i've seen them go from average/good to worse race in the game. A few buffs so you actually WANT to fly minmatar ships and suddenly people p*ss their pants.

Go apply the prep-H and stop crying on legitimate discussion threads.

Yeah, insulting me really helps your case.
It's interesting that you're not calling for a buff for the Augoror Navy Issue, or the Exequror Navy Issue, or the Osprey Navy Issue. Why? Because they suck, and we've gotten comfortable with the fact that they suck because these races happen to have a lot of other ships that see very little utility. The problem with the Scythe Navy Issue is simply an issue with the entire cruiser class, with the exception of the T2s. Cruisers have simply been superseded by battlecruisers in almost every respect. They all need an overhaul, not just this random ship nobody cares about. As far as most people are concerned the Scythe exists to provide a hull for the Scimitar.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Abyssum Invocat
Yet Another Tax Haven
#15 - 2012-07-13 10:52:23 UTC
It's in line with all the other tier 1 navy ships in that it's terrible. A 100mn MWD fit can outrun a dramiel in a straight line though.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#16 - 2012-07-13 10:54:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Maeltstome
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Caracal_Navy_Issue

Considered better than the HAC variant by many and one hell of a frigate slayer, when fitted right.

Congratulations, you just relegated the role of destroyer to a ship one size class higher and about 60 times more expensive.

Maeltstome wrote:
Wow, you are a ******.

navy caracal is almost as good as the Cerberus in some aspects, and better in others. Plus its half the price.

Navy Omen is a rival for the Zealot. It's better at basically everything, except it doesn't have a range bonus or T2 resists.... but it has the slots to make up for this.

the navy vexor is only worse than the ishtar because it can field a full rack of Heavies

Stabber fleet issue is, again, rival to the vagabond but with less range and slightly slower.

Getting bored of the phrase 'winmatar'. Been flying this race for like 6 years and i've seen them go from average/good to worse race in the game. A few buffs so you actually WANT to fly minmatar ships and suddenly people p*ss their pants.

Go apply the prep-H and stop crying on legitimate discussion threads.

Yeah, insulting me really helps your case.
It's interesting that you're not calling for a buff for the Augoror Navy Issue, or the Exequror Navy Issue, or the Osprey Navy Issue. Why? Because they suck, and we've gotten comfortable with the fact that they suck because these races happen to have a lot of other ships that see very little utility. The problem with the Scythe Navy Issue is simply an issue with the entire cruiser class, with the exception of the T2s. Cruisers have simply been superseded by battlecruisers in almost every respect. They all need an overhaul, not just this random ship nobody cares about. As far as most people are concerned the Scythe exists to provide a hull for the Scimitar.


the aug navy issue can get more EHP than a battleship - in fact the only ships that can get more are the legion and the damnation. What was your point?

The osprey is the fastest missile cruiser in the caldari fleet - making it great for nano and also sniping for the fraction of the cost of a cerberus.

The Exec navy does sacr ammounts of damage. it's the only double hyrbid damage bonuses cruiser the gallente have.

The scythe lacks fitting and cant do anything better than a rupture really.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#17 - 2012-07-13 13:30:03 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Batelle wrote:
nah, its fittings are in-line with other races. Winmatards are just so used to being able to fit biggest everything with tons of grid left over that they forget sometimes you have to make choices.


nice, another 'flame minmatar' reply.


We will never forget your cruel oppression!

Alara IonStorm wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:

A bad ship is a bad ship regardless of what race it's in.


The field is more widespread then I have ever seen it. The next round of balancing is going to prop up the tiered down lemmings.

I hope the Sycthe and the other Tier 1 Factions get upped with that.


Seriously, though. This.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#18 - 2012-07-13 13:30:40 UTC
Scythe Fleet Issue is a cool ship but it is not very straight forward. You can do crazy things with it but most of them are niche roles, but funny. Just start getting creative. Enough said... Amarr is listening here too.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#19 - 2012-07-13 13:46:25 UTC
Meditril wrote:
Scythe Fleet Issue is a cool ship but it is not very straight forward. You can do crazy things with it but most of them are niche roles, but funny. Just start getting creative. Enough said... Amarr is listening here too.


Oh i have crazy things on a scythe - but its still just a huginn with no bonuses and less slots.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-07-14 02:41:43 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
The scythe lacks fitting and cant do anything better than a rupture really.

Again, fitting issues are common among the tech 1 and navy issue cruisers. It's not limited to the Scythe NI. Try fitting a Navy Omen like a Zealot, you'll run into issues pretty quickly.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
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