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Is carebearing finally dying?
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pussnheels
Viziam
#21 - 2012-07-13 11:33:47 UTC
Seishi Maru wrote:
Eyup Mi'duck wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Eyup Mi'duck wrote:
…in case CCP finally realise where they make their money in this game, and fix things for the occasional player/solo pilot/carebear.
Things such as…?

Oh, and if they are occasional, then they're not really where CCP make their money.


You really think that? Roll



its simple logic. High sec dwellers have nothign to do but make more money. They do not have sinks on their little world. In fact most of them try to pay the game with plex they buy with the arning of their missions. But someoen must be paying CCP for those plexes and putting them in market? You really think many high se carebears are the ones gettig nthe shortcut to isk? WHen all that they have to do in game is exaclty making is? No.. the main source of plex are 0.0 and low sec players that pay from their wallet so they do not need to do dumb isk grinding.

That can easily make 0.0 players on average pay WAY more to CCP than the average high sec guy.


says the nullsec dweller who is bored to death in his sandcastle and refuses even to debate any possible change that has a very remote chance of taking that sandcastle down
You pvp zealots do NOT own the game and forget that a large majority want to play this game their way and not yours
i even dare to say that 80% of you pvpers have 1 or 2 alts that carebears in order to finance your pvp habbits
and be honest if CCP has a choice in either keeping all their' carebears' highsec dwellers as happy subscribers or cateringa to a small but loud minority of anti highsec anti carebear shmucks who make up less than 20 % of their subscribers who would they choose

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#22 - 2012-07-13 11:39:43 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
if CCP has a choice in either keeping all their' carebears' highsec dwellers as happy subscribers or cateringa to a small but loud minority of anti highsec anti carebear shmucks who make up less than 20 % of their subscribers who would they choose


the latter

the game would cease to be eve online without them

this is a pvp game with (really bad) pve content, get over it
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-07-13 11:44:16 UTC
Ive mentioned the same for the solo/casual player. +1

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-07-13 11:57:19 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
if CCP has a choice in either keeping all their' carebears' highsec dwellers as happy subscribers or cateringa to a small but loud minority of anti highsec anti carebear shmucks who make up less than 20 % of their subscribers who would they choose


the latter

the game would cease to be eve online without them

this is a pvp game with (really bad) pve content, get over it

Clueless.

This is a business for CCP to make profit...as if they would abandon 80% of their income just so some can say "Duh, this is a PVP game"...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2012-07-13 12:00:08 UTC
Asm Khurelem wrote:
I think they meant many players - who don't play much - but stay subbed.
That wouldn't really make them “occasional” except maybe in the sense that they are far and few between, which only leads back to the conclusion that CCP doesn't make much money off of them.

pussnheels wrote:
in either keeping all their' carebears' highsec dwellers as happy subscribers or cateringa to a small but loud minority of anti highsec anti carebear shmucks who make up less than 20 % of their subscribers who would they choose
Well, for one, the former is probably a smaller contingent than the latter (and your numbers are completely made up anyway so it's a meaningless question). Either way, of the two, the carebears are of less importance since they aren't particularly needed to keep the game flowing.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#26 - 2012-07-13 12:50:53 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:


This is a business for CCP to make profit...as if they would abandon 80% of their income just so some can say "Duh, this is a PVP game"...


I didn't say abandon them, but they will always favor the pvp players. Notice how most of the expansions/ads/marketing are around the "end game" (re: not missions for morons)

They just need to continue to provide mediocre pve content for the masses and we'll continue to get cycles of single player drones coming and going.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#27 - 2012-07-13 12:55:00 UTC
Eyup Mi'duck wrote:
My main character has been continuously active in EVE since May 2003, though now I am now just an occasional player based in hi-sec.

My motivation to continue playing the game is finally dwindling. Mostly because hi-sec activities seem to be getting less and less rewarding, both in terms of interest and revenue earnings. And I haven't enjoyed null-play since sov came to dominate activities there.

So it is starting to feel like the end of an era for me, increasingly I've been playing EVE for old times sake, rather than the thrill of the moment.

Just saying.

And no, I'm not giving away my stuffs in case CCP finally realise where they make their money in this game, and fix things for the occasional player/solo pilot/carebear. There's rather a lot of us paying our monthly subs just like everyone else, even though we're offline most of the time.



Wait what? Hi-sec income is just behind its all-time high. Incursions have been reduced down to what you make in fully upgraded lo-trusec 0.0, admittedly, but there's never been a better time to suckle on the rich, juicy hi-sec ISK-teat, assuming that you use even the smallest amount of intelligence while doing it, of course.



....oh, I see the problem here.


"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2012-07-13 12:57:07 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Seishi Maru wrote:
Eyup Mi'duck wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Eyup Mi'duck wrote:
…in case CCP finally realise where they make their money in this game, and fix things for the occasional player/solo pilot/carebear.
Things such as…?

Oh, and if they are occasional, then they're not really where CCP make their money.


You really think that? Roll



its simple logic. High sec dwellers have nothign to do but make more money. They do not have sinks on their little world. In fact most of them try to pay the game with plex they buy with the arning of their missions. But someoen must be paying CCP for those plexes and putting them in market? You really think many high se carebears are the ones gettig nthe shortcut to isk? WHen all that they have to do in game is exaclty making is? No.. the main source of plex are 0.0 and low sec players that pay from their wallet so they do not need to do dumb isk grinding.

That can easily make 0.0 players on average pay WAY more to CCP than the average high sec guy.


says the nullsec dweller who is bored to death in his sandcastle and refuses even to debate any possible change that has a very remote chance of taking that sandcastle down
You pvp zealots do NOT own the game and forget that a large majority want to play this game their way and not yours
i even dare to say that 80% of you pvpers have 1 or 2 alts that carebears in order to finance your pvp habbits
and be honest if CCP has a choice in either keeping all their' carebears' highsec dwellers as happy subscribers or cateringa to a small but loud minority of anti highsec anti carebear shmucks who make up less than 20 % of their subscribers who would they choose


Yeah, apparently you haven't noticed, but pretty much the ENTIRE NULLSEC COMMUNITY has been begging CCP to rework Sov to make it less wildly biased in favour of megablocs. Including even the members of those megablocs.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Gun Gal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-07-13 13:00:19 UTC
Nice try forum warriors but you fail again.

OP is correct, far more subscriptions are highsec dwellers,
And the minority is indeed the nullsec crowd.

The day they start acting with their wallets will be the day eve truly dies.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#30 - 2012-07-13 13:01:59 UTC
Breaking news: no "nullsec" players have alts in hi-sec! All characters in hi-sec pay for their own accounts!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2012-07-13 13:13:37 UTC
Gun Gal wrote:
OP is correct, far more subscriptions are highsec dwellers,
Wow. You should release your research to CCP, because not even they are able to determine what you just said with any certainty.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-07-13 13:19:28 UTC
Gun Gal wrote:
Nice try forum warriors but you fail again.

OP is correct, far more subscriptions are highsec dwellers,
And the minority is indeed the nullsec crowd.

The day they start acting with their wallets will be the day eve truly dies.


[citation needed]

Also, posting in "Eve is dying because somebody shot my hauler full of loot on the Perimeter gate" thread #6970.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-07-13 13:26:24 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
Hisec needs to be lower reward due to its lower risk and dont even start on how risky hisec is, that has been done to death.


Nice debate there bro. Imagine that in court.

"You need to be put in jail for life due to the fact I think you murdered this person and don't even start on that alibi crap because it's been done to death."



What? Have you been drinking sir?

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-07-13 13:31:28 UTC
I was under the impression that a "carebear" was someone who mistakes the sandbox for his own private kiddy-pool; someone who was unable to adapt to changes or challenge and would petition any actions against him which he perceives to be unfair. As opposed to someone who simply does not partake in PvP of the shooting variety.

As an industrialist, I compete with others everyday on the markets, the belts and gates. However, I had my fill of shooting people a long time ago, and no longer enjoy it.

Does this make me a carebear?

The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!
Fidelium Mortis
Minor Major Miners LLC
#35 - 2012-07-13 13:39:05 UTC
Eyup Mi'duck wrote:
My main character has been continuously active in EVE since May 2003, though now I am now just an occasional player based in hi-sec.

My motivation to continue playing the game is finally dwindling. Mostly because hi-sec activities seem to be getting less and less rewarding, both in terms of interest and revenue earnings. And I haven't enjoyed null-play since sov came to dominate activities there.

So it is starting to feel like the end of an era for me, increasingly I've been playing EVE for old times sake, rather than the thrill of the moment.

Just saying.

And no, I'm not giving away my stuffs in case CCP finally realise where they make their money in this game, and fix things for the occasional player/solo pilot/carebear. There's rather a lot of us paying our monthly subs just like everyone else, even though we're offline most of the time.


Why not do some low/null sec exploration? The rewards are better, and it's just a couple notches below the risk of high-sec. You might find that having a slightly heightened sense of alertness is makes things more exciting. Also it makes for a decent group activity.

ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon
Danfen Fenix
#36 - 2012-07-13 13:45:30 UTC
/me would like proof of this 'veteran' status...

Mayby I'm cyncial, but theres far too many alts around. What is there to hide from with your statement ? P
Frying Doom
#37 - 2012-07-13 14:00:53 UTC
If ever proof is needed that EvE has been dumbed down over the years, people should just point to some of the answers in this thread.

The only thing that is missing is the crude crayon writing.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-07-13 14:18:33 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
It would be wonderul if they added new PVE content, but the carebearing part of the game is hardly dying. Though the forum fighters sure are trying their best to kill it.


I thought they were moving in a good direction with the Incursions beefing up Pve content, I'm a solo player most of the time so I never took advantage of them, but I thought they may lead to other buffed Pve content that a solo player may be able to take advantage of. Since the castrated screams from null sec got those nerfed (nothing should compete with the income from moon goo after all) they seem to be ready to forget about anything Pve related so no it doesn't look good. I can still make a decent income off lvl 4's though and I enjoy an occassional roam in lo-sec picking fights when I have the time for that kind of playing.
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-07-13 14:25:38 UTC
There are theme park spaceship MMOs, why come to EVE then cry it's too hard for you? In Black Prophecy the only penalty for death is a 5min stat penalty. That sounds like the game for you, but you better be quick about it because most theme park MMOs have the shelf life of a gallon of milk in the sun. Go enjoy your shallow economy, mudflation, and meaningless gameplay. When their servers get shutdown we will still be here enjoying EVE. In the last 10 years sci-fi games have come and gone, yet EVE still stands.
Cpt Roghie
Chemical Invasion Co.
#40 - 2012-07-13 14:26:28 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
Hisec needs to be lower reward due to its lower risk and dont even start on how risky hisec is, that has been done to death.


Nice debate there bro. Imagine that in court.

"You need to be put in jail for life due to the fact I think you murdered this person and don't even start on that alibi crap because it's been done to death."



Okay mate, first of all;

1. This is EvE. Not your local court house. EVE =/= IRL.
2. I agree on your sarcasm wiith the "risky high sec" deal, High Sec isn't that risky. Although I'd rather sit in a hulk in 0.0 than in any High sec system.
3. High sec does need to be lower reward due to the lower risk.

This could be fun.