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Defected Amarrian moves to Pator

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William Nimitz
Doomheim
#81 - 2012-07-13 08:07:40 UTC
Halete wrote:
What other people may or may not be does dilute your own responsibility.

I would like to add though, as a final note, that though I appreciate you absolving me of my own responsibility, that is not the Caldari way, and any self respecting citizen of the State would find such an idea unthinkable. Blink

It is a symptom of madness that thoughts become uncontrollably disjointed. This can be encouraged.

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2012-07-13 08:10:23 UTC
So in conclusion: You're lacking of wit, borderline inflammatory and a hypocrite.

Welcome to life walking amongst immortals, whelp.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Lyskal Oskold
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2012-07-13 08:16:32 UTC
William Nimitz wrote:
Halete wrote:
This is a whole lot of words to come to the conclusion that William is a psychopath and leave it at that.
Be that as it may I found this in the archives as well. Seems your so called "people" are not above some rather crude and expectedly primitive interrogation techniques of their own, except I don't think I've ever heard of a State official hearing talking lizards or seeing ghosts. Roll


If anything those archives inspire me to be more resolute with my cause. If we relent for a moment everything could be lost. You say we're being hypocritical, oh we are. But we'll drown the Amarr and Caldari in their own blood and tears before we take a step backwards. Right or wrong, just or unjust, it is irrelevant. As long as the Minmatar are threatened and enslaved we will fight.

Don't like it? Abolish slavery and stay in your own systems. That's the least painful path to peace.

As for my inhumane comments, realistically I'm a militia pilot who has only destroyed 1 Amarr vessel, the pilot escaped. The only people I have ever had in my cargo bay are rescued slaves and militia forces that needed to be dropped off.
I just like seeing the Amarr squirm a bit. My atrocity count is still sitting humbly at zero. Sorry to ruin the prejudice that we're all beasts.

"Love is just a chemical, no matter the origin. We give it meaning by choice." - Eleanor Lamb

William Nimitz
Doomheim
#84 - 2012-07-13 08:29:13 UTC  |  Edited by: William Nimitz
Lyskal Oskold wrote:
If anything those archives inspire me to be more resolute with my cause. If we relent for a moment everything could be lost. You say we're being hypocritical, oh we are. But we'll drown the Amarr and Caldari in their own blood and tears before we take a step backwards. Right or wrong, just or unjust, it is irrelevant. As long as the Minmatar are threatened and enslaved we will fight.
We all do what we must in service of our empires, when it's all said and done may our descendants forgive us for the atrocities we commit, and know a peace we do not. But until that day know that the State will bring force down upon any "freedom fighter" who acts against it either alone or collectively, and that this force will be steadfast and unrelenting until such time as it's no longer required.

It is a symptom of madness that thoughts become uncontrollably disjointed. This can be encouraged.

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2012-07-13 08:34:42 UTC
Lyskal, you've caught my interest. However, I implore you to reconsider who your enemies are. There are surely people in the State who profit from our plight, but do not drag the entire Caldari people into a massacre. I have more thoughts on the matter, but I do not wish to insert a shameless plug. Peruse for them at your freedom if you so desire.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#86 - 2012-07-13 08:43:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
William Nimitz wrote:
Thanks, but if I wanted to eat with an animal I would purchase a slaver hound.

Halete is a woman of honesty, passion, courage, and deep spirituality.

You are a pig slinging mud at your betters.

Lyskal Oskold wrote:
If anything those archives inspire me to be more resolute with my cause. If we relent for a moment everything could be lost. You say we're being hypocritical, oh we are. But we'll drown the Amarr and Caldari in their own blood and tears before we take a step backwards. Right or wrong, just or unjust, it is irrelevant. As long as the Minmatar are threatened and enslaved we will fight.

I will pray for you and hope God shines light upon your soul.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Lyskal Oskold
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2012-07-13 08:45:01 UTC
Halete, William. I don't go too far into my views, a flaw that I must rectify. What I mean is that if the Caldari actively move against us, then the only way for us to move is right back at them. Without the combined pressure one side would be destined to fall...

Honestly I hope for the day when we either push deep enough into Amarr space to force them to abolish slavery or they simply do it on their own. I remember reading somewhere that the Empress herself is starting to look down on slavery.

We need to get our people back, then we need to perform an act so much more difficult then fighting this war. We need to pull ourselves out of the hatred and despair and rebuild. If we were to actually win and somehow control Amarr space I fear the anarchy that would result would probably create another dark age.

So I'll continue doing what I'm doing. Teasing Amarr nobles, rescuing slaves, flying against the 24th and hoping the missions I accomplish will aid the Minmatar people and not just the war effort.

"Love is just a chemical, no matter the origin. We give it meaning by choice." - Eleanor Lamb

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2012-07-13 08:52:23 UTC
We should talk, you and I. I could tell you a thing or two about your anger.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Lyskal Oskold
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2012-07-13 09:07:37 UTC
Well that does sound like an idea, the best way to describe me is probably emotional... But to be perfectly honest about the actual topic at hand.

We may not like that you're Amarr, but if you personally don't enslave anyone or harm innocents, we appreciate it. Well at least I do.
But you have a better chance of riding someone's slaver hound naked and keeping all your extremities then getting me to admit it half the time.
I've worked in a high sec Amarr corp, the occasional teasing that comes with being a different race was there but beyond that I very much enjoyed the experience and enjoyed Amarrian company. When they don't treat us like angry beasts that should just accept we're dumber and worth less then them they're actually alright to be around. Also the statues in my cabin creeped me out. I covered them with sheets.

Maybe someone will get a revelation that the Amarr God and the Minmatar spirits are actually the same entity. That'd be convenient. After all, we could have much bigger fish to fry. If, as the news suggests, Sansha's Nation is actually in Jove space and expanding...
Well our war might be eclipsed by something unthinkably worse.

"Love is just a chemical, no matter the origin. We give it meaning by choice." - Eleanor Lamb

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#90 - 2012-07-13 10:11:21 UTC
Halete wrote:
We should talk, you and I. I could tell you a thing or two about your anger.


Tip.

This is a reasonable thing. Just don't take up any offers of lunch with Halete. That's dirty heretical business, right there. And if you do, secreted antibiotics will be enormously helpful if there is time.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2012-07-13 10:37:17 UTC
You slay me.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#92 - 2012-07-13 10:47:12 UTC
Hello, Halete.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2012-07-13 10:51:41 UTC
Hello, love. Have you been admiring my handiwork?

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#94 - 2012-07-13 10:55:28 UTC
:Hypnosis:

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#95 - 2012-07-13 11:32:43 UTC
William Nimitz wrote:

Here is an example of State interrogation techniques that I readily found in the archives, though my previous statement concerning capsule trials on unwilling subjects was concerning another file who's name escapes me at the moment. If I recall the individual was a soldier within the Caldari Navy, and it was his CO that tricked him into participation unbeknownst to what awaited him ((if anyone remembers which chronicle this is please share)). This information, combined with my personal experiences growing up in SO121, seeing my peers who didn't make the cut taken away never to be seen again, lends me to the conclusion that this sense of ethics you and others ascribe to is hardly the norm in our society.


Uh-huh. So you quote one example of State interrogation and torture and somehow this is the normal operation of the State regarding research, development, ethics and morality? You, sir, are an idiot.

As for your "personal experiences," they're as subjective as your broad stroke judgment regarding the State operations as a whole. If you're viewpoint is from the Practical political bloc, then state it as such, not the State as a whole.

~Malcolm Khross

Lucas Raholan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
#96 - 2012-07-13 14:26:09 UTC
George Whitebread wrote:
Lucas Raholan wrote:
You shall forever been seen as a traitor and disloyal to your cause. clearly you prefer primitives to those truly worthy of greatness.

But know that the Amarr Empire and its people shall hence forth reject you, Our Great empress will cut you down as a heretic when Amarrain warships once again fly above the skies of Matar.


Why do you think these words would matter for me? There was a reason for leaving Amarr in the first place. Call me a heretic as much as you like. Even though Mataris have their tribal beliefs, they are at least not religious zealots totally deprived of any faith in common sense and human reason as most Amarrians are. I will be ready to take on your Amarrian warships if or when you come here anytime.

This one track minded post of yours clearly shows how Amarrians are more of savages than a people of high culture and advanced society. Who were the "primitives" again?



You could argue that the Minmater are driven zealots driven to destroy this great Empire, did they not cause the deaths of millions when their Elders invaded...the very same elders who hid while thousands of the Minmater people worked towards redemption and true freedom, the very elders who hid still when their people fought for there 'freedom'.
And now they have gained there independence they still seek to ravage their way across our lands.

The Amarr Empire is in fact not a stale cesspool of zealots as you infer, Jamyls release of all 4th Gen Minmater's goes to show.

Perhaps we will meet over the skies of Matar, perhaps we will not. There is only hope that you may see your mistake before it is truly too late

Lucas

Shitposts so bad CONCORD gave me a 50 billion ISK bounty

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#97 - 2012-07-13 14:54:45 UTC
William Nimitz wrote:
Such things are not for me to know, and best not questioned. I'm not eager to wake up with a neat little incision behind the ear myself.

It's not as bad as your story makes it out to be, really.

Quote:
I'm not sure what you mean by "basic Caldari ethics". Unless you're referring to unquestioning loyalty to the State and one's corporation, you seem to be under the presumption that certain ethical hindrances shared by State liberals and various patriotic groups are in fact universal, especially among the practical elite.

I'm talking about solidarity with ones' family and work, fraternity within the family of corporations, honour in ones' behaviour and respect towards outsiders, friend and foe alike. I'm talking about dignity and gravitas. Reducing the complexities of our culture down to 'efficiency' is frightening. A desire for efficiency is just one of the results of all of those facets of our culture.

I'd be very grateful if you could explain how you see our culture in your own words, sir. It's clear that you see it very differently than I do.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#98 - 2012-07-13 15:07:04 UTC
Lucas Raholan wrote:

Perhaps we will meet over the skies of Matar, perhaps we will not. There is only hope that you may see your mistake before it is truly too late

Lucas


Or, considering the way the war is currently going.. I'll see you in Amarr.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#99 - 2012-07-13 15:20:39 UTC
So, have you stepped in a Fedo yet?
William Nimitz
Doomheim
#100 - 2012-07-13 17:25:15 UTC  |  Edited by: William Nimitz
Scherezad wrote:
I'm talking about solidarity with ones' family and work, fraternity within the family of corporations, honour in ones' behaviour and respect towards outsiders, friend and foe alike. I'm talking about dignity and gravitas. Reducing the complexities of our culture down to 'efficiency' is frightening. A desire for efficiency is just one of the results of all of those facets of our culture.

I'd be very grateful if you could explain how you see our culture in your own words, sir. It's clear that you see it very differently than I do.

Growing up in SO121's capsuleer training program, one thing was always made clear to me time and again, I was not hired to be a capsuleer by some corporation, I was not chosen to be a capsuleer by my peers, I was engineered to be a capsuleer by the State.

This practice is said to have begun shortly after the initial tests of Jovian capsule technology, when it was theorized that individuals engineered from birth, with certain elements of the Jovian genome, would be able to operate the capsule technology more efficiently than an individual who was not. This of course was carried out under the guise of creating a higher population for the Caldari State, the particulars of which remain highly classified and largely denied by State officials to this day (many would be surprised to learn just how many State citizens are part Jove).

I have never had a choice in the matter because to even cognitively register the thought of swaying from my purpose for existing, would, as previously mentioned, result in "biological termination" (usually via live biomassing, a traitor is unworthy of anything else in the eyes of many State officials, whom naturally work on the CTP). Often as children, sometimes as young as five years old, we were forced to conduct these terminations upon our peers ourselves, to prove our conviction and loyalty to the State.

Some speak of some great nobility within the State, they use words like fraternity and dignity. But for others like myself these things have never existed, only the constant and repeatedly proven threat of ceasing to exist, in a very slow and painful way, should one not live up to the potential they were designed for. This is why effeciency is paramount above all other ideals, to not be effecient in one's mission, to allow morality or ethics to stand in the way of completing any task dictated by State authority, is akin to treason. Not even loyalty to one's fellow citizens should stand in the way of performing one's mission in the most effecient way possible.

This is also one of the reasons why I tend to look down on matari who whine about enslavement to the Amarr, when an Amarrian slave does not live up to the potential their master dictates they should, how often are they labeled a traitor and biomassed while doped up on chemicals to make the experience all the more lucid?

In closing I would like to apologize for any arrogance on my part that may be perceived in past, present, or future dialogue. Sometimes I overlook the fact that I'm talking to CBCs (capsuleer by choice), who by and large lack the conditioned training I and others like myself were raised with. Thank you for your time, I hope this story has been illuminating to those who read it.

It is a symptom of madness that thoughts become uncontrollably disjointed. This can be encouraged.