Player Features and Ideas Discussion

All V skills and a 1% PG implant.

9332 EHP, weak to exp/kin. 142 overheated DPS.

Lol. Very legendary. A frigate slower than a drake. This is fodder for every destroyer, cruiser, battlecruiser and even my old raven could catch it. Lets not forget that some Minmatar cruisers are faster than this fit with afterburner would be.
Also every blaster boat will eat it. It will simply go come close and on close range there´s no moe trackung for the punisher. Especially because everbody knows you have to come close at laser boats.

Lol. Very legendary. A frigate slower than a drake. This is fodder for every destroyer, cruiser, battlecruiser and even my old raven could catch it. Lets not forget that some Minmatar cruisers are faster than this fit with mwd would be. Blaster boats simply get close range and the punisher will hit nothing and die. Merlin railfits which are very common today will simply eat this fit. Every PVP Kestrel will eat this fit. But the worst is: most pilots of cruisers and bigger know how slow the punisher is.
Would be too fine if amarr would have something chaep and good like merlin or incursus or even rifter. But no. First CCP kicks amarrian fw for the next two years (but it will be fun making guerilla) and now these super executioner "upgrades"

As requested :
[Punisher, brawl]

Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Heat Sink II

1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II

Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
[Empty High slot]

Small Energy Burst Aerator I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I

9.47kehp ; 152dp with conflag/136dps with INMF at 3.38km ; 108dps with scroch at 10km ; 896m/s.
Unless your ennemy have AB + web, you should be fine. Stay as far as a blasterboat as you can obviously : the farther you are, the better you will get. I didn't said it would be easy, you are slow, but if you take the advantage before he close the range, you should kill him.
Hitting EM/term, you have this advantage over shield tanked frigates.
PS : I said a quick and dirty fit, not a silly one.

as a corollary to my last post let me show you how crap lasers are with just a damage bonus by showing you other attributes.

lets start with resources:
Grid: 125mm gatling AC - 1, gatling pulse laser 5, light electron blaster 4
CPU: 3 4 8
(total required fitting no skills), 4, 9, 12 (wtf guys)

Cap use: 0, -0.867, -0.367

Optimal: 920, 4.6, 1.15
Falloff: 5200, 650, 1.95
Total: 6,120, 5,250, 3,100

without skills the AC and laser have similar dps with short range ammo, at about 8-8.5dps, and the blaster has about 13 dps without skills on its own with antimatter s

Damage is fine, but lets examine tracking without skills or bonuses
AC: 0.457 radians
Blaster: 0.48 radians
Laser: 0.337 radians

Whelp, lasers have a total range equivalent to just the falloff of the ac, similar dps and 25% less tracking...use cap and can't vary damage type. The blaster has less range, better tracking (slightly), and about 50% more dps (sounds fine to me).

Like I said before...it is as if someone over there REALLY REALLY personally identifies with the minmatar and does not really like anyone else. Hybrids got love because they were junk. lasers have been left in the lurch. Yeah they can shift range in a second, but that does no good to a pilot who is tackling. avoiding being hit helps the most.

All fitting data courtesy of Python fitting Assistant v 2.7.2 with 0 skills applied on a merlin hull -

regards,

JC

Perhaps it is balanced out by our greater capacitor overall but as an Amarr pilot whenever I see a bonus to capacitor use on one of our ships it makes me cringe because I feel as though the bonus is there so the ship can actually manage to function without capping out, not to up the ships usefulness in anyway, for example while other races can keep applying dps with little to no capacitor we need a lot of capacitor for our guns, so seeing that bonus where other races get a damage bonus or a range bonus makes me feel a little bit cheated, if there is an explanation that shows the advantage for us (running microwarpdrives longer?) that would be great thanks.

in all fairness there are significant distinct advantages to lasers to make up for the short comings. most notably the T2 scorch amunition for pulse lasers is quite simply THE best damage/range projection you can get and essentially the entire reason minmatar have their current weapon balance. consider

lasers have:

high optimal <-- no damage loss until edge of range
1 second ammo switching <-- very useful for a race who ideally want to start at range with scorch then change according to situation
EM/therm damage mix <-- both an advantage and a weakness really, but when you consider the most common "other" types of damage tend to be thermal/kin mixes there is a distinct edge of people having to plan SPECIFICALLY for lasers.

every weapon has a downside of course and lasers have

fixed damage (predictable to tank though still painful)
little to no fall off (you're either hitting for near 100% damage, or not at all)
no way to repair crystals (meaning if you buy a T2 or faction crystal you'll have to stick with it to get the most out of it)


overall its not too terrible and the sheer optimal range of scorch really shouldn't be discounted with 10km optimal meaning if its in web range, you can hit it for 100% damage. thats a HUGE edge which only the condor will be able to rival and in that engagement you'll have the edge thanks to the condor being a shield tanker

guys when we will get more feedback from ccp? Anyone know the aproximate time of the implementation ?

Thanks in advance.

mm.. just tried fitting the slasher,Atron and condor with shields.. slasher i could fit with all extender rigs by dropping guns and meta med sh extender.
Atron and condor though was a different story granted atron may be designed more for armour although that usually uses even more pg for a 400mm plate ended up putting a pg and cpu rig on and electrons.
condor required 2 pg rigs as rocket launcher don't scale pg down at all , bottom line these are hard to fit especially considering for weaker skills i.e. noobs who would fly these early on i imagine they would need a 3rd rig for pg dropping more tank i cant think of any other ship requiring all rigs for pg or cpu boosting just to fit meta tank and least taxing guns.
i think condor and atron need more pg.
And atron maybe more cpu too maybe could have used meta scrambler to avoid using cpu rig but shouldn't really need to i think.

I assume these fits were attempted with MAPCs?