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Macho Culebra
The Reaver Cartel
#1 - 2012-07-12 20:45:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Macho Culebra
As a new player, I am a little confused on how I am supposed to enjoy this game. I have tried several times to get into this game but I feel like it is impossible. The player base here is just too rude to allow new players to enjoy this game. I have spent many hours reading the forums. I see posts on Hulkageddon stating that miners are being ganked because its frowned upon and not considered "playing the game". I enjoy mining because I can sit my 2 year old daughter on my lap and actually begin to teach her how to play computer games. Kinda hard when I am constantly losing mining ships to players that have stacked PVP ships. I don't see how a defenseless ship can offer a challenge to a ship fitted for PVP. Honestly its an act of bullying. So then I figure... OK.. Since mining isn't "playing the game" I will try missions. Apparently running missions isn't "playing the game" either and there are players purposely ganking mission runners too. So my question is... How is a new player supposed to "play this game"? Should I sit in my station and spend 2 minutes setting my training que and then log off for a few days? Or should I hop in my Ibis and fly to null sec for PVP?

I have been online gaming for over 10 years and have seen games with great player bases, and have witnessed some games with terribad player bases as well. I really want to believe that EVE has one of the most intelligent and one of the best player bases in the industry. This is my first post and an attempt to prove to myself whether this community is worth joining or not.

I am not trying to QQ or complain and I hope for once someone can offer a new player some friendly advice instead of trolling the #*&% out of this thread. I came to this game because I thought the player base would be better than that of games like WoW or CoD. This game looks like it requires a slightly higher IQ and therefore I assumed the player base would be a little more civilized. Experienced players using multiple accounts to gang up on defenseless new players is not my idea of civilized. I understand that every MMO is going to have gankers but it feels like that is the complete mindset of this game. Am I right in that assumption? Am I doing something wrong? How should a new player approach this game since we can't mine or run missions?
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#2 - 2012-07-12 20:49:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Rer Eirikr
Join a newbie friendly alliance like TEST, get out of HighSec, and just have some fun doing whatever you want to do with few external pressures.

Edit: To expand upon this, no not everyone in EVE is a massive jagoff. Its very easy to form longlasting friendships with all kinds of people, even folks you're at war with it. Lol You're just in a bad place at a time where High Sec ganking is more common than ever. Either get a bit further away from markets like Jita (as the post below me stated) or just move out of HighSec all together.
Luh Windan
green fish hat bang bang
#3 - 2012-07-12 20:52:21 UTC
either that or move slightly further away from Jita.
Internet Lawyer Steve
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-07-12 20:52:56 UTC
Rer Eirikr wrote:
Join a newbie friendly alliance like TEST, get out of HighSec, and just have some fun doing whatever you want to do with few external pressures.


He says he plays with his daughter on his lap.

Try Eve University. They can help and you wont have to worry about whats being said on coms.

Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,

Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time...
Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-07-12 20:54:53 UTC
Rer Eirikr wrote:
Join a newbie friendly alliance like TEST, get out of HighSec, and just have some fun doing whatever you want to do with few external pressures.

Edit: To expand upon this, no not everyone in EVE is a massive jagoff. Its very easy to form longlasting friendships with all kinds of people, even folks you're at war with it. Lol You're just in a bad place at a time where High Sec ganking is more common than ever. Either get a bit further away from markets like Jita (as the post below me stated) or just move out of HighSec all together.



Newb friendly? Is that before or after the 500 million Isk deposit they ask for?
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#6 - 2012-07-12 20:55:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Rer Eirikr
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:
Rer Eirikr wrote:
Join a newbie friendly alliance like TEST, get out of HighSec, and just have some fun doing whatever you want to do with few external pressures.


He says he plays with his daughter on his lap.

Try Eve University. They can help and you wont have to worry about whats being said on coms.


I factored this into my response but he's an adult and I figured I'd let him make that decision on his own. If something like vulgarity would be an issue than yea, TEST might not be the best choice. EVE Uni isn't a bad option, or if you like PvP try RvB


Vellen Thoss wrote:
Newb friendly? Is that before or after the 500 million Isk deposit they ask for?


It seems someone doesn't know how to properly be recruited, TEST takes in all kinds of new players.
Riknarr
Midhalla
#7 - 2012-07-12 20:56:51 UTC
If you want to mine and run missions for now, fine - maybe try somewhere more remote in highsec, or scan down exploration sites etc.

If people feel the need to tell you that you're not playing the game properly, so be it - they have a lot to learn from you.

Enjoy EVE
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#8 - 2012-07-12 20:57:51 UTC  |  Edited by: BoBoZoBo
You are not confused - This is an accurate analysis of the current situation.

However, just so you know and understand the full depth of this game... Hulkageddon primary mission statement is just a cover, the real intent is to stimulate an entire production and resource chain for profit.

Join a corp or alliance who can help you get on the right footing. There ARE plenty of good entities out there that can help you out and plenty of nice people willing to lend a hand. Just be careful and choose your friends wisely. Its not the most new-player friendly game around, but a lot of that has to do with how you approach the situation.

It's just a VERY different game and you really cannot be sensitive or reactive to loss. You will experience a LOT of it here, even as a veteran. By the same token, if you can get over it and use your wit, you can be very successful.

Also, EVE is probably better used to teach your daughter about economics, politics and human interaction as opposed to the basics of gameplaying. Good luck and feel free to hit us up if you want, we specialize if helping noobs.

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Ursula Thrace
Dreamland Augmented Consortium
#9 - 2012-07-12 21:01:27 UTC
if you'd like to try your hand at some pvp, please consider joining RvB. we're a very laid back community with no drama - just good fights and good times. Big smile

RvB

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Equus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-07-12 21:04:10 UTC
There is a lot of talk on these forums, and it really is just that, talk. I intersperse my PvP fun with PvE downtime/isk harvesting all the time and not once have I ever been ganked. Once someone came into my mission, claimed they were going to steal it... not sure what they meant and I was down with the mission anyway. Oh, the other night some tried to ninja some loot but ran away after touching one wreck never to be seen again after I started targeting them.

The things to do are first, find a Corp with similar values/playstyles, Eve is not near as fun alone. Second, get away from the over populated areas, you usually don't even have to move that far. Do those two things and you'll be fine, also all the other jazz about tanking properly, watching local, setting the standings of known gankers to -10 etc.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#11 - 2012-07-12 21:04:58 UTC
Pretty much anyone who isn't trolling you will tell you to join a decent corp in a good alliance. Regardless of how much of a bear you want to be, you will need experienced players to take you under their wing and teach you what you need to know. This truly is an MMO - if you try to go alone or near-solo, you will be bored to tears and will probably quit, because the game content itself is awful, it is the player-driven content that makes this game so good. You probably can't go wrong with Eve University. But no offense to your current corp, but 10 other players is not enough to help you grow to enjoy this game.
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#12 - 2012-07-12 21:07:46 UTC
test alliance best alliance?

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-07-12 21:09:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarah Schneider
Macho Culebra wrote:
As a new player, I am a little confused on how I am supposed to enjoy this game. I have tried several times to get into this game but I feel like it is impossible. The player base here is just too rude to allow new players to enjoy this game. I have spent many hours reading the forums. I see posts on Hulkageddon stating that miners are being ganked because its frowned upon and not considered "playing the game". I enjoy mining because I can sit my 2 year old daughter on my lap and actually begin to teach her how to play computer games. Kinda hard when I am constantly losing mining ships to players that have stacked PVP ships. I don't see how a defenseless ship can offer a challenge to a ship fitted for PVP. Honestly its an act of bullying. So then I figure... OK.. Since mining isn't "playing the game" I will try missions. Apparently running missions isn't "playing the game" either and there are players purposely ganking mission runners too. So my question is... How is a new player supposed to "play this game"? Should I sit in my station and spend 2 minutes setting my training que and then log off for a few days? Or should I hop in my Ibis and fly to null sec for PVP?

I have been online gaming for over 10 years and have seen games with great player bases, and have witnessed some games with terribad player bases as well. I really want to believe that EVE has one of the most intelligent and one of the best player bases in the industry. This is my first post and an attempt to prove to myself whether this community is worth joining or not.

I am not trying to QQ or complain and I hope for once someone can offer a new player some friendly advice instead of trolling the #*&% out of this thread. I came to this game because I thought the player base would be better than that of games like WoW or CoD. This game looks like it requires a slightly higher IQ and therefore I assumed the player base would be a little more civilized. Experienced players using multiple accounts to gang up on defenseless new players is not my idea of civilized. I understand that every MMO is going to have gankers but it feels like that is the complete mindset of this game. Am I right in that assumption? Am I doing something wrong? How should a new player supposed to approach this game since we can't mine or run missions?




I can relate, while I don't have kids (yet), I share your experience. I have also been playing MMOs for almost 10 years prior to Eve. All I can say is that Eve was the hardest one to learn and to adapt to it's environment, and it's also by a huge margin compared to other MMOs.

What I did was, I learn to cope with the world of Eve, the sole fact that the game was (it still is) hard have never discouraged me to stop playing, it's the other way around actually. Out of all MMOs I've played so far, Eve has given me the most sense of accomplishment from small things, be it just learning how to use dscan properly, or just plain how to warp to a gate properly in a hostile environment. While the learning progression is hard, the rewards are also on a whole other level.

Judging from what you're looking for, my suggestion is to try joining a starter corps to guide you through the game, like Eve University for example. If you prefer to go straight to shooting other people, you can try Red vs Blue. If you want to go straight deep into the world of Eve, as in the whole package, you can try researching how to join TEST without getting scammed in the process. Fly safe and enjoy the game. Big smile

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-07-12 21:19:30 UTC
I am not the one to tell you how to raise your daughter, but....does a two year old girl really have to be educated to spend time with video games?
The research fields of internet/media addiction an their influence especially on child development are rather new still, but all evidence points toward extensive computer use doing more harm than benefit to young children.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3377478/?tool=pubmed

Maybe it is a good thing that the playerbase of eve are a bunch of antisocial, evil griefers.
How about you just take your daughter to a zoo or go swimming with her instead?

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#15 - 2012-07-12 21:25:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuehnelt
Macho Culebra wrote:
I enjoy mining because I can sit my 2 year old daughter on my lap and actually begin to teach her how to play computer games. Kinda hard when I am constantly losing mining ships to players that have stacked PVP ships. ... Apparently running missions isn't "playing the game" either and there are players purposely ganking mission runners too.


So you did two things, and in both cases some other players showed up, and you didn't like that.

It seems that what you really want a single-player game. Can I recommend Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion? Or Sword of the Stars 2 (it doesn't suck anymore)? I must warn you, in both cases the game designer has reckoned that bad things must happen for the sake of enjoyment, so even if you sit and do nothing but farm in a single system, enemies will show up and shoot at you.

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Am I doing something wrong? How should a new player supposed to approach this game since we can't mine or run missions?


I mine and run missions and pvp (not very much, lately) in NPC nullsec. Since I know that CONCORD will not allow me to treat EVE like a single-player game, I actually pay a great deal of attention to who's around me (both in system and in area, over time), what they're in, what they're likely doing, what affiliations they have, what their killboard looks like, etc. If I travel I check the map so that I have an idea of what's out there. Sometimes I'll look at a tiny blob of activity and say "that's definitely camped by these specific guys, but I should be able to get through if I do this or that", and sometimes I'll look at a much much larger blob and say "nah, that's safe." Sometimes, because a lot of other jerks play this game, I'll plan to do something and then not do that after seeing what's going on around me. Sometimes I'd kind of like to do something (like put a POCO up) but reckon that it'll destroyed - and I can even tell you who will probably destroy it.

And this, solo. Some friends add a lot to the previous paragraph. Even when you're trying to peacefully carebear as if nobody else was playing this game, friends can say things like "help" or "got a cynabal pointed" or "so their RF timer will end in..." that can be about at disruptive - and, at the end, as costly - as a random catalyst warping to your belt and locking you up.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-07-12 21:32:44 UTC
Macho Culebra wrote:
As a new player, I am a little confused on how I am supposed to enjoy this game. I have tried several times to get into this game but I feel like it is impossible. The player base here is just too rude to allow new players to enjoy this game. I have spent many hours reading the forums. I see posts on Hulkageddon stating that miners are being ganked because its frowned upon and not considered "playing the game". I enjoy mining because I can sit my 2 year old daughter on my lap and actually begin to teach her how to play computer games. Kinda hard when I am constantly losing mining ships to players that have stacked PVP ships. I don't see how a defenseless ship can offer a challenge to a ship fitted for PVP. Honestly its an act of bullying. So then I figure... OK.. Since mining isn't "playing the game" I will try missions. Apparently running missions isn't "playing the game" either and there are players purposely ganking mission runners too. So my question is... How is a new player supposed to "play this game"? Should I sit in my station and spend 2 minutes setting my training que and then log off for a few days? Or should I hop in my Ibis and fly to null sec for PVP?

I have been online gaming for over 10 years and have seen games with great player bases, and have witnessed some games with terribad player bases as well. I really want to believe that EVE has one of the most intelligent and one of the best player bases in the industry. This is my first post and an attempt to prove to myself whether this community is worth joining or not.

I am not trying to QQ or complain and I hope for once someone can offer a new player some friendly advice instead of trolling the #*&% out of this thread. I came to this game because I thought the player base would be better than that of games like WoW or CoD. This game looks like it requires a slightly higher IQ and therefore I assumed the player base would be a little more civilized. Experienced players using multiple accounts to gang up on defenseless new players is not my idea of civilized. I understand that every MMO is going to have gankers but it feels like that is the complete mindset of this game. Am I right in that assumption? Am I doing something wrong? How should a new player supposed to approach this game since we can't mine or run missions?





While the playe base is, IMO, generally more intelligent then Eve's competitors player bases; one must remember Eve encourages a harsh and unforgiving universe where less then ethical in game actions are lauded by many. These forums are in many ways an extension of aspects of the game, part of the meta game if you will, so the environment tends to be similar to In game; however we can't use auto cannons on the forum, so we use ship toasting as our weapon of choice.

It seems like the advice in this thread is pretty good so far, so check some of the options out.

Remember trust no one and only fly what you can afford to lose.

On a side note, I applaud your introduction of Eve to your young daughter; with that kind of early exposure, she is destined to be a great capsuleer someday...lol

James315 for CSM 8!
Antaria Wildsun
Massive Impact
#17 - 2012-07-12 21:35:40 UTC
You may not even need a corp as many have suggested, but I do admit that it can be very helpful but it does depend on what kind of player you are. EVE is a very harsh game and if you stick with it it can change you as a person and a player. I know that I had to grow a much thicker skin and become a better player to get past obstacles in this game. You need to view your current situation as a challenge to learn from and figure out ways to over come your issues. There are jerks in this game just as any other but there are also some really terrific people out there.

Stick with it and learn to adapt. Contact me in game if you need advice or just want to chat.
Haoibuni
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#18 - 2012-07-12 23:37:10 UTC
Antaria Wildsun wrote:
.... it can change you as a person....


Jesus
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-07-13 00:23:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucy Ferrr
Macho Culebra wrote:
As a new player, I am a little confused on how I am supposed to enjoy this game. I have tried several times to get into this game but I feel like it is impossible. The player base here is just too rude to allow new players to enjoy this game. I have spent many hours reading the forums.



There's your problem, you're on the forums. You will find the lowest class of EVE citizen resides right here on the forums. If you get in game and start to mingle you will find the caliber of person on the forums does not represent the caliber of person in the game. Now there are living piles of garbage in game, just not in a huge percentage.

Regarding non-consensual PvP, it is a core part of EVE. You should not let that neither ruin your mood or prevent you from doing what you want to in game. No matter what you are doing and no matter what security the space, you are going to encounter non-consensual PvP. EVE may not be the best game to teach such a small child, but if you insist first lesson for your daughter is to watch for flashing yellow boxes, that means you are being targeted (Although it may be too late by that time). In every EVE profession that involves undocking you need to learn a way that works for you to deal with the occasional PvP. EVE's beautiful economy is driven on loss.

Oh and don't let anyone tell you mining is not a real profession. Personally I find it incredibly dull, but I don't discount it's importance. Everything I pew pew in is built with the labors of miners. Just if you choose to mine, don't do so afk as you will probably get blown up.

Like someone else said look into joining EveUni or RvB. Avoid TEST like the plague, unless you want what little isk you have to be scammed away.
Shanija
Confetti Explosion
#20 - 2012-07-13 00:33:35 UTC
I'd suggest treating people wanting to blow up your ship as part of the game and taking measures to avoid it. It's not some unstoppable action taken by forces outside your comprehension, it's just another part of the game, and there are many steps that you can take to minimise the chances of it happening (or even turn the tables on some attackers and get some kills yourself!).
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