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Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-07-12 21:04:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Degren
Kuehnelt wrote:
Degren wrote:
Or, assuming you're Nulli, probably shouldn't have batphoned and chest thumped.

Please, feel free to continue blaming everyone but yourselves.


TEST's unique factional Casus Belli: "Someone said things about us that were meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeanXXX."


You're just embarrassing yourself, now. Go take space in the east or something.

Hello, hello again.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#42 - 2012-07-12 21:14:29 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Cpt Roghie wrote:
Like SoCo could win that war anyway. They did however win something, the "staying docked up the longest" award.



i would warn ccp about getting rid of isk faucets... seems like if you are reliant on "renters" for isk then your ability to fight is not so great as you cannot take that much risk... (furhtermore the first sign of a war going wrong and the nullbears pack up and run)

when tech gets nerfed i hope they do it by reactions... that way you can make your own tech with lesser moongoo...

from what i can see eve the arcade game seems more fun then eve the sandbox...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Dave Stark
#43 - 2012-07-12 21:14:59 UTC
oh look, another delve/soco/cfc/goons/nullsec thread!
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#44 - 2012-07-12 21:17:19 UTC
but then again i have seen peeps like goons/bob take over way too much space and then they end up loosing a boat load later (i would say 6 months) due to not being able to fight on several fronts...

so even if goons do win and it looks like they will... give it half a year and they will be back to where they started.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#45 - 2012-07-12 21:20:54 UTC
I am interested in this as well as I remember the other fights for Delve over the years.
What has been apparent afterwards is the chest-beatings of the victor stating how they won and why - and it is still continuing in this thread VASTLY exaggerated and blown out of all proportion ...by the victors. As we see in history, when the victor has the writing tools we see a very one sided view of how things happened.

However, Eve is a DB that allows matching dates with numbers, so I would like to see what happened on the relevant date with the relevant system and the relevant alliance.
That would be a story!!!

Would we see overwhelming blob warfare killing PL or the Goons helping their pets out a tight spot because of the amount of ships lost? Come on you keeper of numbers - SHOW US THE FACTS!!!!!

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#46 - 2012-07-12 21:24:02 UTC
Klandi wrote:
I am interested in this as well as I remember the other fights for Delve over the years.
What has been apparent afterwards is the chest-beatings of the victor stating how they won and why - and it is still continuing in this thread VASTLY exaggerated and blown out of all proportion ...by the victors. As we see in history, when the victor has the writing tools we see a very one sided view of how things happened.

However, Eve is a DB that allows matching dates with numbers, so I would like to see what happened on the relevant date with the relevant system and the relevant alliance.
That would be a story!!!

Would we see overwhelming blob warfare killing PL or the Goons helping their pets out a tight spot because of the amount of ships lost? Come on you keeper of numbers - SHOW US THE FACTS!!!!!



if you want to know how they won go look up William Tecumseh Sherman and how war of attrition works...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#47 - 2012-07-12 21:24:03 UTC
Degren wrote:
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:
Degren wrote:
Correct things
angry things


Sounds like someone should have undocked in something besides T3s.

Or, assuming you're Nulli, probably shouldn't have batphoned and chest thumped.

Please, feel free to continue blaming everyone but yourselves.

o7m8

You mean like PL shouldn't have batphoned you and chest thumped? Though in hindsight we should have wondered whether us batphoning our allies would be as effective as you batphoning yours... It clearly wasn't, mistakes were made and sov lost. But no sense in crying over what could have been, we have to face realities and get back on the horse from where we are right now.

Sadly (And we agree here, eww), -A- held the firm belief that sov wars are won by docking in an NPC station and never risking fleets, so of course those who actually dared undock would have even less numbers when the majority stayed in station. The small alliances who defied the overwhelming opponents - PANGU and WALLT especially - puts the rest to shame.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#48 - 2012-07-12 21:30:21 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
if you want to know how they won go look up William Tecumseh Sherman and how war of attrition works...

Did his enemies also give up after 1 week and huddle in an impregnable space station to save their assets?
Dave Stark
#49 - 2012-07-12 21:37:12 UTC
is it my imagination or are all the smaller alliances the ones who have really proved anything in this war?
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-07-12 21:40:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Degren
Alphea Abbra wrote:
stuff.


To be completely honest, a lot of us really like Wallpapers, PANGU and Nulli.

I do, especially, because the idea of flying in a spanish speaking or chinese speaking fleet is too delicious, and the three of you actually gave us fights. Wallpapers are actually ******* legit, too, I ******* love them. Their gatecamps are way too scary.

We give you guys **** for batphoning because we were genuinely enjoying just fighting you guys until the **** posting started.

Hello, hello again.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#51 - 2012-07-12 21:44:00 UTC
So when you say 'Red Alliance is pretty much dead' do you mean to tell me that they have no sov and are breaking up? That would be surprising... they used to be one of the more powerful alliances. I find it hard to believe one war would do them in...

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-07-12 21:46:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Mortimer Civeri
KrakizBad wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
if you want to know how they won go look up William Tecumseh Sherman and how war of attrition works...

Did his enemies also give up after 1 week and huddle in an impregnable space station to save their assets?

The inhabitants of Georga, in that sixty mile wide path to the sea, wish they could have.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#53 - 2012-07-12 21:55:59 UTC
Gogela wrote:
So when you say 'Red Alliance is pretty much dead' do you mean to tell me that they have no sov and are breaking up? That would be surprising... they used to be one of the more powerful alliances. I find it hard to believe one war would do them in...


It was two.

Solar, -A- and co. kicked them out of the east and gave them pity space in delve which they have now all but lost.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#54 - 2012-07-12 21:59:18 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Gogela wrote:
So when you say 'Red Alliance is pretty much dead' do you mean to tell me that they have no sov and are breaking up? That would be surprising... they used to be one of the more powerful alliances. I find it hard to believe one war would do them in...


It was two.

Solar, -A- and co. kicked them out of the east and gave them pity space in delve which they have now all but lost.

Wow. If I were a betting man I would be broke. I would not have thought there would be a significant war in null sec before winter. What brought this on? What sparked this big Delve shipstorm?

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Bolow Santosi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-07-12 22:00:46 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Cpt Roghie wrote:
Like SoCo could win that war anyway. They did however win something, the "staying docked up the longest" award.



i would warn ccp about getting rid of isk faucets... seems like if you are reliant on "renters" for isk then your ability to fight is not so great as you cannot take that much risk... (furhtermore the first sign of a war going wrong and the nullbears pack up and run)

when tech gets nerfed i hope they do it by reactions... that way you can make your own tech with lesser moongoo...

from what i can see eve the arcade game seems more fun then eve the sandbox...


The income from renters is pretty decent. The problem is how that money is managed. We choose to spend it on ship reimbursement, in house super cap subsidies and things that improve the line members quality of life.

-A- on the other hand uses it to line their own pockets and give their directorate personal titans or super carriers. On top of you know fining people for losing certain ships when the person handing out the fine lost over 7b isk 10 hours prior to his own massive stupidity.
Y'nit Gidrine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-07-12 22:05:25 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Gogela wrote:
So when you say 'Red Alliance is pretty much dead' do you mean to tell me that they have no sov and are breaking up? That would be surprising... they used to be one of the more powerful alliances. I find it hard to believe one war would do them in...


It was two.

Solar, -A- and co. kicked them out of the east and gave them pity space in delve which they have now all but lost.

Wow. If I were a betting man I would be broke. I would not have thought there would be a significant war in null sec before winter. What brought this on? What sparked this big Delve shipstorm?


Boredom.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#57 - 2012-07-12 22:08:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Cameron Cahill
Gogela wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Gogela wrote:
So when you say 'Red Alliance is pretty much dead' do you mean to tell me that they have no sov and are breaking up? That would be surprising... they used to be one of the more powerful alliances. I find it hard to believe one war would do them in...


It was two.

Solar, -A- and co. kicked them out of the east and gave them pity space in delve which they have now all but lost.

Wow. If I were a betting man I would be broke. I would not have thought there would be a significant war in null sec before winter. What brought this on? What sparked this big Delve shipstorm?


TL;DR
PL and TEST went to delve for 'gudfites' with Nulli and RA. They wouldn't fight to begin with so Test started to accidentally the region. Nulli and RA batphoned the SoCo and they took an 800 man fleet to fight PL and TEST's 300. Test went 'heh two can play at that game' and batphoned the cfc who have annihilated the SoCo at every turn.

EDIT: But yeah boredom covers it.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-07-12 22:08:37 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
MeBiatch wrote:
but then again i have seen peeps like goons/bob take over way too much space and then they end up loosing a boat load later (i would say 6 months) due to not being able to fight on several fronts...

so even if goons do win and it looks like they will... give it half a year and they will be back to where they started.



AND that's the downside of the the SOV system in eve. no reasons to not own SOV in 100's of empty systems you never use or defend. This is just a natural effect of that. The war will happen when they reach the real borders of the allaince. The rest is empty space, tech income. eve null sec warfare is wierd like that.

hopefully the winter expansion i hear has some changes to sov warfare to make it so you have a reason to own 40 systems, versus 300. You could strill moon mine in those systems and push your infulance into them by setting up POS and roams. But you shouldn't be able to get sov at such large levels. I think it's ok if the sov map in eve had large empty areas between players, that would MAKE SENSE.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#59 - 2012-07-12 22:12:00 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
but then again i have seen peeps like goons/bob take over way too much space and then they end up loosing a boat load later (i would say 6 months) due to not being able to fight on several fronts...

so even if goons do win and it looks like they will... give it half a year and they will be back to where they started.



AND that's the downside of the the SOV system in eve. no reasons to not own SOV is 100's of empty systems you never use or defend. This is just a natural effect of that. The war will happen when they reach the real borders of the allaince. The rest is empty space, tech income. eve null sec warfare is wierd like that.

hopefully the winter expansion i hear has some changes to sov warfare to make it so you have a reason to own 40 systems, versus 300. You could strill moon mine in those systems and push your infulance into them by setting up POS and roams. But you shouldn't be able to get sov at such large levels. I think it's ok if the sov map in eve had large empty areas between players, that would MAKE SENSE.


Why would it make more sense than alliances owning everything they can? You don't see a no-man's-land between countries.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#60 - 2012-07-12 22:12:05 UTC
SoCo's strategy of 'we'll take it back' relies on CFC+HB not actually, you know, filling that space with allies. Exactly like all the space we didn't fill elsewhere.