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Precision Heavy Missiles vs Faction Heavy Missiles: Precision Heavy Missiles a useless variant of HM
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Mule hauler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-07-12 06:44:11 UTC
What niche role do Precision Heavy Missiles play beside lowering the DPS and range of your ship significantly while doing no more applied damage to cruisers and below than Faction Heavy Missiles?

Shouldn't Precision Heavy Missiles be the anti-frigate/cruiser missile platform for HML Cruisers/Battlecruisers instead of Faction Heavy Missiles?

Why would these missiles exist if they have no real benefit?

Couldn't these missiles maintain the same reduced damage and range and benefit from improved explosion velocities and explosion radii as opposed to their faction counterparts?

They seem to only show any significant improvement over Fury Heavy Missiles which are already unfavored over Faction Heavy Missiles. Missiles need a big revamp when it comes to damage calculation and the niche roles T2 ammunition fill.
Alara IonStorm
#2 - 2012-07-12 07:21:52 UTC
I wouldn't say that entirely.

Precision Heavy Missiles are useful in some situations. They don't have much practical use in PvP with the 10Sec reload time but I sometimes carry a clip for Frigates. I have found them very useful at popping those Scram Frigates in my Mission Drake. Precision Cruise Missiles are good on Raven fits that use CCC Rigs instead of Rigors, they do pop Cruisers a lot quicker especially Elite Cruisers.

Furies are a good thing to have in the cargo hold of Drake fleets for if the enemy pulls Battleships. Lets face it your Sig is so massive you are dodging nothing and there sig is so big you are applying full damage which is higher then Faction and therefor better. Fury Heavies do more damage then faction missiles on NPC Battleships while being cheaper so they do have use for PvE. Now that I do have a Rigor fit SNI I have found that with a single painter they do absolutely 100% full damage to Battleship NPC's which is higher then faction again and still pop Battlecruisers in the same amount of shots as faction while being cheaper. I use regular Cruise on Cruisers and Destroyers.

I would not say they are useless at all, insubstantial yes like Conflag which has limited use (Even less) but definitely not useless.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-07-12 08:41:00 UTC
They hit frigs better, that's about it.
Ive seen them used in pve for frig heavy sleeper sites *shrug*
faction are the way to go 98% of the time.

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-07-12 09:48:17 UTC
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS always always always forever always carry a 1000 in a tengu. You prob wont need them but you will be glad when you do.

No Worries
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-07-12 15:12:28 UTC
I always carry 6000 Furys and 600 precisions in my Tengu for missions, wouldn't use either for Pvp
Mule hauler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-07-12 15:14:34 UTC
Sadly, I made some graphs on EFT and Precision Heavy Missiles hit frigates for the same applied damage as do Faction Heavy Missiles regardless of enemy ship speed.
BearJews
Order of Extrodinary Gentlemen
#7 - 2012-07-12 16:06:32 UTC
I've tried precision in pvp just to try it out. Those missiles are utter failures in the damage dealing department, but they are great in pve
Warpshade
Warped Industries
#8 - 2012-07-12 17:19:02 UTC
I prefer standard cheapo Tech1 ammo over the use of Precision.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-07-12 18:20:59 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Furies are a good thing to have in the cargo hold of Drake fleets for if the enemy pulls Battleships. Lets face it your Sig is so massive you are dodging nothing and there sig is so big you are applying full damage which is higher then Faction and therefor better. Fury Heavies do more damage then faction missiles on NPC Battleships while being cheaper so they do have use for PvE. Now that I do have a Rigor fit SNI I have found that with a single painter they do absolutely 100% full damage to Battleship NPC's which is higher then faction again and still pop Battlecruisers in the same amount of shots as faction while being cheaper. I use regular Cruise on Cruisers and Destroyers.

I would not say they are useless at all, insubstantial yes like Conflag which has limited use (Even less) but definitely not useless.



Well actually PVP Drake fleets tend to use cap stable MWD fits, so instead of 2400m radius with faction you have 3000 with T2's and this is not much of a problem when your fleet volley get a wimp +10 or 15% dps
Also, imho precision heavy missiles are only good when you can't fit at least 1 T2 rigor and only for pve, in pvp those are useless (T2 rigor brings the 125 of faction around 70 with skills).
Precision Cruise are probably more useful but seems most ships shooting those use TP's and have drone bay, so don't know really if it's more interesting to shoot those compared with faction since you're not supposed to kick anything under cruiser size.
I guess all depends if you have a CCC fit like you mentioned or a Rigor/Rof fit.

brb
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-07-12 20:55:06 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS always always always forever always carry a 1000 in a tengu. You prob wont need them but you will be glad when you do.


the biggest issue is that unless you know there's a dram or something youre going to be shooting and pre load them, youre better off sticking with faction rather than reloading.

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-07-13 06:56:53 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS always always always forever always carry a 1000 in a tengu. You prob wont need them but you will be glad when you do.


the biggest issue is that unless you know there's a dram or something youre going to be shooting and pre load them, youre better off sticking with faction rather than reloading.


.... there are a lot of drams out there, and other crazy implanted sig tanking nasties.... its a precaution that doesnt cost you anything but could save your ship.

No Worries
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-07-13 07:00:39 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS always always always forever always carry a 1000 in a tengu. You prob wont need them but you will be glad when you do.


the biggest issue is that unless you know there's a dram or something youre going to be shooting and pre load them, youre better off sticking with faction rather than reloading.


.... there are a lot of drams out there, and other crazy implanted sig tanking nasties.... its a precaution that doesnt cost you anything but could save your ship.


ah...not really...
if you get caught with precision in your bays against a non 'ceptor' frig youre at a distinct disadvantage.

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