EVE General Discussion

Yep, sitting on the undock of a trade hub looking for moronic haulers is the way to PvP.[/quote]

Haulers and whatever undocks.

Still more fun and more skill (LOL) required than dropping a hundred clowns together in a lagfest and press F1 when you are told.

Which seems to be what you consider REAL PvP to be.

Again, in this topic we all witness how people without real arguments devote themselves to criticise other people's way of enjoying PvP by way of pathetically dumb claims of cowardice (which are truly epic coming from corp hoppers and dudes hiding behind supercaps and thousands of other lemmings) or high sec wars not being "true" PvP.

Also, when you prove that you get much more combat ships than haulers, then they resort to namecalling.

Also, they have this thing for NOT reading others' posts and keep babbling the same old bullcrap that has been answered 100 times.

Yes, Mangone, your frigate was ganked for the lulz. Once. Last year. Please get over it and, at the same time, please provide the links that support your claims that high sec suicide ganking of FRIGATES supports our killboard efficiency.

Otherwise people might think you are just a butthurt En Garde hoppity hopper (something which your corp history this week seems to support) that is full of it. "It" being, among other niceties, loads and loads of lies.

I don't see it as useless nor anything of the sort and I do find the complaint to hold a bit of validity.

The uni recently had a few lowsec wars where those "nasty people" wouldn't come up and attack us in highsec. They stayed on *THEIR* turf and fought the wars the way they fought -- not on our turf nor by our rules. (then again, most couldn't come to highsec except in pods but still... *snicker*)

Trade hub camping is seen as lame but can also be called blockading or "wars of attrition". By limiting free trade you can force opposition to the negotiations table with often less than favorable terms presented. As such it is a valid form of warfare.

As for the null's "come to us and fight you cowards!" - not fighting on others turf by their rules is smart. Smaller groups would be butchered fast by the null blob. You wouldn't stand a chance head-on style so you fight by your guerrilla warfare tactics leveraging your advantages.

IMO a fix to this would be nice. A flag of some sort - if you leave, you are out for 7 days or until all wars that were live when you left are over before being able to join any corp in that alliance. Whichever came first or, if that were too much work, simply a 1 week "sit out" timer for your old corp/alliance.

Locking targets in a corp would be a bad idea.

I've been in E-Uni for a long time. In "days of old" many left during wars because we only had short time windows when we weren't at war - often to go to new homes across various aspects of the game. A long term war could trap members in a corporation that they don't want to be in, don't fit in, etc. and kicking thieves/spies is rather important when they are found - especially during wars.

Also keeping an individual flagged as a target who leaves has very ugly "spread" potential that could prove very nasty.

- you go to war, end up suing for peace to avoid "station camped for the next month" - and have a new war with a different group where a member joins the corp who thumped you. They show as a valid target but shooting them - you just popped one of their pilots and their corp may come back at you for violating peace agreements.

- How do you show to a corp when you shoot a pilot that joined them? Are you flagged as a valid target so they can help their new corp member?

- how do you look to that ex-member? Do they see you as a valid war target from their new corp?

- what about someone joining a corp in your alliance from a war-target alliance?

Lots of potential fubars and mess ups possible and it could trash service groups such as jump-clone provides "for lulz" - so let that one go.

A timer flag would probably work best/easiest and would be a fix that wouldn't be such a potential mess.

Absolutely right from EvE-U.

A timer flag would allow people to move freely between corps, but NOT to use corp hopping to avoid a particular act of war (a camp or an incoming fleet), which is what they are doing now.

Isn't it possible to stop declaring war?


Like someone said before, drop these guys and go find a corp/alliance that will fight back instead of ignoring you. Then brag and show off the killboards and get into a nice PvP alliance for more war.


Yes, I know this is easier said than done, but so is a lot of stuff.


EDIT: Oh, that makes sense. -A- was to busy losing Sov to TEST by docking up in lowsec and logging off.

GOGOGOGOGO! Find those stations and camp them Iberians!

Spite? Whos spiteful?

I just have no opinion on corp hopping whatsoever, I came here under the assumption that their would be snacks and/or drinks.


I was sorely disappointed to find neither available.


Plus, previous post I made, Is kinda dealing with you war dec and the -A- attitude about it. Also, ignore the bragging bit and skip to "join a large PvP alliance". You're more likely to find PvP in an alliance because an entity like -A- doesn't feel your a big enough threat to bother with when they have entities like TEST and other large alliances biting at their ankles and other parts of their body.

Find a way into a PvP alliance and maybe large entities would take you more seriously, as it stand you're probably very low on their "Kill these guys" list so they corp drop to avoid your gatecamps while fighting other things.

EDIT: I seriously cannot spell today.

This.

Hmm Idea.

Someone leaves a corp that has been wardeced. They have to pay there part of the wardec cost (as its got a per pilot figure for the wardec) or even if they leave the war follows them for said paid for time.

Because this is a thread about highsec wardecs I feel like I should comment on it, but I can't be bothered to read a bunch of long, ranty posts.

Can someone give me the gist of it?

Prior to inferno I couldn't care less about people leaving a corporation while they are at war. If people want to run away screaming that's fine by me and I don't care where they do it either. In fact for the longest time it was possible to kick people from a corp while they were logged on and in space due to some bug and I had people get kicked from corp while I was in the process of shooting them, and it didn't matter at all because of the magic of individual aggression timers (which, for the record, are pretty much the only reason any kind of combat in highsec doesn't end in one party suddenly getting concorded without warning).

The only problem currently is that cost scaling is specifically based on the members in a corporation and the justification for that is that you're "paying for targets" even though the "targets" can leave instantly without you ever even being able to shoot at them with no consequences at all and you're left with a bill for something that doesn't exist.

It was fine previously because you were paying to be at war with the corporation or alliance itself, not it's members, but now you're very specifically paying to be at war with its members but the members can still get out of it. If I am "paying for targets" my war should be against the targets that I am paying for.

I (and apparently CCP) disagree.

Also, NOBODY is forcing ANYBODY into PvP. You CAN quit your corp for good, can't you?

Now, what some people seem to want is to be able to get into large powerblocks with all its advantages, and calm 0.0 to rat in, and fleet fights where you can press F1 like the rest of your buddies and appear in hundreds of expensive killmails, AND AT THE SAME TIME be completely impervious to wardec mechanics and non consensual PvP in High Security space.

All in all, most people seem to agree with the idea of a tiny AGGRESION TIMER: you stick with your corp for the war? Fine. Then you cannot quit on the spot and avoid an enemy fleet in front of you. Those who want to jump out because of a war can do it before hostilities actually begin.

BUT if you stay, AND the attacker HAS to pay for you in order to declare the war, THEN you should be legitimate game for at least 24 hours after you press "QUIT CORP".

Not much to ask for, actually.