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ASB for armor

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PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#1 - 2012-07-12 16:17:54 UTC
I really don't mind the ASB, It seems pretty overpowered at this point, but whatever. My desire is that we get an armor version of it to at least balance things out. It's bad enough everything was already shield tanked, now even the active tanks favor shields.
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#2 - 2012-07-12 17:50:30 UTC
Your armor boats' ability to rack up truly ludicrous amounts of EHP not enough for you?

I would only support this if a shield slave equivalent was introduced as well as an armor crystal equivalent. As well as some boosts to Caldari so that they can do with shields what their Amarrian friends can do with armor.

I don't think either are going to happen tbh.
Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
#3 - 2012-07-12 18:51:47 UTC
Glorious active shield master race


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Tankn00blicus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-07-13 02:16:15 UTC
Aglais wrote:
Your armor boats' ability to rack up truly ludicrous amounts of EHP not enough for you?
Then can we have Gallente have bonuses to armor resists rather than armor rep amount?
Lili Lu
#5 - 2012-07-13 03:37:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Aglais wrote:
Your armor boats' ability to rack up truly ludicrous amounts of EHP not enough for you?

I would only support this if a shield slave equivalent was introduced as well as an armor crystal equivalent. As well as some boosts to Caldari so that they can do with shields what their Amarrian friends can do with armor.

I don't think either are going to happen tbh.

Yes, because we all know what a wonderful idea shield slave sets would be coupled with shield regen.

Also, not enough drakes in the game atm. And we should have even stronger brick leviathans and wyverns.

Hey look at this, the top 2 - and 6 of the top 20. Look at dem drakes http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 They need a ******* buff. Lets make it to 4 and then 5 times the second place ship (which btw is the tengu).

Get out of 2009. Caldari has no problems atm. And would even be fine after the drake nerf with 5 other ships in the top 20. Still better than amarr. So in short, you're wrong.Blink

edit- and just because I know you will make this mistake in reading my post and jump at the chance to post further dren - no I am not under the illusion that people regen fit their pvp drakes. but their buffer drakes, tengus, rohks, etc need no buff from shield slaves even of a lg variety, especially coupled with asb.
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-07-13 06:40:43 UTC
ASB are stupid, we don't need an armor version but to have these modules removed and CCP come up with better solutions to make active tanking viable in more situations.
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#7 - 2012-07-13 10:35:56 UTC
Ancillary Shield Booster is not a form of active tanking imo, because of the reload time. It's a delayed buffer. And as such, the Crystal set is the shield equivalent of Slave set.

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Indalecia
#8 - 2012-07-13 10:54:10 UTC
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Ancillary Shield Booster is not a form of active tanking imo, because of the reload time. It's a delayed buffer. And as such, the Crystal set is the shield equivalent of Slave set.


Unless you fit two or more.

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#9 - 2012-07-13 11:00:41 UTC
Then limit the number of max ASB fitted at the same time, like in the tournament.

I'm not against to have the version of this module for armor, but we would then need to have a shield resistance adapter. (Or whatever it's name would be)

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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
#10 - 2012-07-13 17:06:20 UTC
Yes, all races should have the same playstyles.

DESTROY ALL DIVERSITY!
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-07-13 17:08:15 UTC
the ASB IS for armor tanks. How has no one figured this out yet?

Lets say your capped out your armor tank and your going down, Pop on the ASB, and you get capless shield regen at crazy speed. Then when it turns off, you've got a full battery of cap and a full armor tank ready.

why do you think you've been seeing dual tank set ups recently slowly?

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Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#12 - 2012-07-13 19:41:23 UTC
Aglais wrote:
Your armor boats' ability to rack up truly ludicrous amounts of EHP not enough for you?

I would only support this if a shield slave equivalent was introduced as well as an armor crystal equivalent. As well as some boosts to Caldari so that they can do with shields what their Amarrian friends can do with armor.

I don't think either are going to happen tbh.


racking up any type of buffer armor tank comes at the cost of your ability to get in close, and we gallente pilots have to get INYOURFACE to apply damage.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-07-13 23:49:18 UTC
Denidil wrote:
Aglais wrote:
Your armor boats' ability to rack up truly ludicrous amounts of EHP not enough for you?

I would only support this if a shield slave equivalent was introduced as well as an armor crystal equivalent. As well as some boosts to Caldari so that they can do with shields what their Amarrian friends can do with armor.

I don't think either are going to happen tbh.


racking up any type of buffer armor tank comes at the cost of your ability to get in close, and we gallente pilots have to get INYOURFACE to apply damage.


right so slap a ASB to your ship, and run it as you close distance. you're shield can't be broken when in that mode even on an armor ship. it cost you no cap, and when your in range you turn on your armor reps. I think that's more hp overall than an extra web would help.

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Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#14 - 2012-07-14 23:44:04 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
right so slap a ASB to your ship, and run it as you close distance. you're shield can't be broken when in that mode even on an armor ship.
Clearly you're utterly wrong there, you might need to go back and take more fire, and learn about resists & how a focused armour tank fit will have far more EHP in armour than shields, and that unresisted shield HP is rather rather useless as an active tanking strategy.
Basically ASBs aren't immune to overwhelming dps, single-fitted they're delayed EHP if you can last long enough for them to complete all their cycles.
Combined with the fact that rails are terrible, and thus the active armour tanking race must user blasters and needs every midslot for mwd+scram+web+cap injector that it can get, an ASB simply isn't a sane option.
Tankn00blicus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-07-15 00:54:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tankn00blicus
Soi Mala wrote:
Yes, all races should have the same playstyles.

DESTROY ALL DIVERSITY!
Making one thing even more superior over another does a much better job of destroying diversity.


Daneel Trevize wrote:
Clearly you're utterly wrong there, you might need to go back and take more fire, and learn about resists & how a focused armour tank fit will have far more EHP in armour than shields, and that unresisted shield HP is rather rather useless as an active tanking strategy..
Why not? It worked hilariously well in that one match in the AT.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-07-15 01:26:45 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
Daneel Trevize wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
right so slap a ASB to your ship, and run it as you close distance. you're shield can't be broken when in that mode even on an armor ship.
Clearly you're utterly wrong there, you might need to go back and take more fire, and learn about resists & how a focused armour tank fit will have far more EHP in armour than shields, and that unresisted shield HP is rather rather useless as an active tanking strategy.
Basically ASBs aren't immune to overwhelming dps, single-fitted they're delayed EHP if you can last long enough for them to complete all their cycles.
Combined with the fact that rails are terrible, and thus the active armour tanking race must user blasters and needs every midslot for mwd+scram+web+cap injector that it can get, an ASB simply isn't a sane option.


shows what you know

if only there was a race with weapons that cost no cap and pretty good armor tanks...

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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
#17 - 2012-07-15 10:22:39 UTC
Tankn00blicus wrote:
Soi Mala wrote:
Yes, all races should have the same playstyles.

DESTROY ALL DIVERSITY!
Making one thing even more superior over another does a much better job of destroying diversity.




it's not superior, only different. You wouldn't fit ASBs for fleet fights, and you wouldn't fly a plated BS for missions. Just because something is better for what YOU want to do, doesn't make it superior.

Not every race should be able to use every tactic. That would defeat the very purpose of having the races. They each excel in their own way, and the point is to use them in the way they were meant to be used, rather than slinging a decent fit on the wrong ship, and then claiming the ship/race is broken.




Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#18 - 2012-07-15 11:57:41 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
shows what you know

if only there was a race with weapons that cost no cap and pretty good armor tanks...
Ah yes, the one with the bonus to active armour tanking? Wait, no.
Well, the one with a bonus to armour resists then, which active tanking likes. It's not them either? **** that doesn't sound right.
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#19 - 2012-07-15 17:55:43 UTC
Aglais wrote:
Your armor boats' ability to rack up truly ludicrous amounts of EHP not enough for you?

I would only support this if a shield slave equivalent was introduced as well as an armor crystal equivalent. As well as some boosts to Caldari so that they can do with shields what their Amarrian friends can do with armor.

I don't think either are going to happen tbh.


Drakes can rack up ridiculous passive tanks. Passive tanks = buffer tanks that actually have some survivability. Doesn't matter if you're buffered, a frig gang can kill any buffer fit ships - passive DPS tanks, on the other hand, can hold out until kingdom come. They're active tanks without the capacitor use.

I fully support an ASB for armour.

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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
#20 - 2012-07-16 14:20:21 UTC
Soi Mala wrote:

it's not superior, only different. You wouldn't fit ASBs for fleet fights, and you wouldn't fly a plated BS for missions. Just because something is better for what YOU want to do, doesn't make it superior.

Not every race should be able to use every tactic. That would defeat the very purpose of having the races. They each excel in their own way, and the point is to use them in the way they were meant to be used, rather than slinging a decent fit on the wrong ship, and then claiming the ship/race is broken.






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