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Tessa Scyne
Shadowknight Securities
#1 - 2012-06-30 23:50:56 UTC
I have a request.

I have decided to be more public with my past as I have yet to answer some personal questions that I hope that will better assist me in understanding my heritage. I am proud to be Jin-Mei, but my entire life I have been barely considered Jing Ko because of the other half of my genome. People have chastised me for my "unladylike" behavior and aggression, blaming it on my Minamar father whom I've never met, let alone known. I personally call bullshit on such claims as personality is shaped by culture and upbringing and not genetics, but this did bring up a large gap in my life. I know everything my mother taught me about being Jin-Mei, but nothing about what it means to be Minmatar.

I need to understand what it means to fly as Minmatar. I have been shown my place but I have always been free. I have been treated badly due to my caste, but never oppressed. I have been a slave to the system, but never a slave.

I kindly ask, as I need to understand, what does being Minmatar mean to you IGS?

CEO, **SHADOWKNIGHT**securites ||  "Your Light in the Darkness."

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#2 - 2012-07-01 00:36:42 UTC
Tessa Scyne wrote:
I have a request.

... personality is shaped by culture and upbringing and not genetics...

The domestication of animals, especially social ones like dogs, gives us plenty of examples of genetics shaping personality. Likewise, science shows us that our genetics affect certain aspects of our personality. Some people are naturally more aggressive. Some are naturally less prone to risk.

People forget, but humanity in New Eden was separated for millennia, often in harsh conditions without the benefit of modern technology.

Humanity does not have different species, but it does have different breeds.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Tessa Scyne
Shadowknight Securities
#3 - 2012-07-01 00:48:02 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:

The domestication of animals, especially social ones like dogs, gives us plenty of examples of genetics shaping personality. Likewise, science shows us that our genetics affect certain aspects of our personality. Some people are naturally more aggressive. Some are naturally less prone to risk.

People forget, but humanity in New Eden was separated for millennia, often in harsh conditions without the benefit of modern technology.

Humanity does not have different species, but it does have different breeds.


Interesting choice of an example, but yes, I am aware of that. My stance is that genetics will make me gay or give me dark skin, but it will not make me funny or make it easyer for me to learn how to make a traditional tea.

CEO, **SHADOWKNIGHT**securites ||  "Your Light in the Darkness."

Kel hound
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-07-02 01:54:42 UTC
Ammusing how she almost flat out compares matari to dogs. A human is a human, genetic sciences show no taxonomical differences that would fit what we refer to as "race". The concept of race is a cultural one, little more.

If you seek to understand your linage a bit better then I would suggest spending some time in the matari boarder lands. It is in those harsh unforgiving wilderness's both in space and on land that you can see first hand the cultural shaping of the matari people.
The need on basic survival levels to be as self-sufficient as possible, the mechanical ingenuity and cunning to use every scrap of an advantage you can just to live another day. These are traits common to everyone who live in the wildlands of matari space, not just the Minmitar people.

As it is said, know the land, know the people; know the people, know the nation.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-07-02 04:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Halete
What does it mean to be Matari?

A good question.

I've spoken to many urbanized Sebiestor who criticize me for being 'un-Sebiestor'. I understand why; my head is with the spirits - more-so than most of my kin, not fretfully toiling away over contraptions for hours.

The truth is, my clan rarely had the resources to devote to experimentation like many modern Matari. Don't get me wrong - there are many of us who live in terrible conditions, but many too especially who have abandoned pre-industrial tribal thinking who live comfortably.

Again, don't get me wrong. I don't seek to shun their abandonment of our social system (primarily), but I do criticize their diminutive treatment of their kin. Many of the clans that I grew up interacting with were deeply culturally and spiritually rich, leading life-styles that were not materialistic at all. I do think many of my urbanized brothers have become complacent in this way. Whilst some of us starve, there are those who discard our heritage whilst living in infrastructures far under-capacity for the amount of heads they are capable of supporting.

This is where the impression of Sebiestor as 'geeky engineers and tinkerers' comes from - many modern day Sebiestor exercise their freedom to (relative freedom, after Amarr reign) design. Of course, that is just one of many aspects of our tribe. If you look again to my people, the Sebiestor from less prosperous clans who fight daily for survival, you would see the root of this behaviour.

Namely, the Sebiestor talent of making things out of 'rust and duct-tape'. Particularly for my clan, which were very nomadic, it became a necessity to build irrigation systems, for instance, from parts that were on hand. Sometimes we would need to convert a weapon into a remote power-source, only to turn it back into a weapon later - with a few choice, jury-rigged modifications, of course.

To this end, creative thinking is one of the most powerful assets of a Sebiestor.

This problem-solving behavior doesn't stop at technology, although more on that in a moment. Our warriors didn't tend to be the biggest, or the strongest - although they were hardy, as was a necessity in some of the environs we lived in (and indeed, I believe most Sebiestor would agree with me, in our choice of home in Mikramurka). Because of this, we needed to levvy a certain sly cunning when resolving disputes between other clans. Lacking the brute strength of some of our neighbors, our social strengths (and again our adaptive approach to resources) were major boons for my clan.

Going back to my spiritual background - I believe that it is a major strength to have faith and follow the path of the spirits. Some of my kin have forgotten what has gotten us this far. My clan has survived for this long because of communal strength and passion, not because it has forgotten who it's brothers and sisters are and have discarded faith to live comfortably. As a Sebiestor, your allegiances lay with your family and Tribe.

Creativity, the gift of gab and community are the three pillars of being a Sebiestor. If any of the pillars crumble, we are left weak. Do not become dull, introverted or self-serving. If you do, then you lose what it means to be Sebiestor.

...

Just a collection of idle thoughts upon the topic, purely from my experience you understand. Speaking as a rather poor, remote tribal girl. This may sound overly harsh and judgmental to my kin who grew up in a better environment, but please do note that I went to very careful length to state that it is only some of these Sebiestor who have turned their backs on the rest of us.

I hope that this has given you, Tessa, something to think about it - or indeed any of my fellow children of Matar who have turned away from our ways.

Of course, it would be easier for me to articulate my thoughts in person. You're naturally welcome to visit whenever you wish.

You'll notice that instead of answering your question, I speak only of my experiences as a Sebiestor.

This is intentional - one, I do not wish to answer for the other Tribes, who I have no place speaking for.

Two - I do not wish to answer for other clans and sub-Tribes, who deserve the respect to say their piece.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#6 - 2012-07-02 05:36:35 UTC
Nature and nurture is one of the oldest arguments. Take Hannaya, there, pointedly insulting twice if you care to see it:

'Dog' 'Matar' -a word association that would come easily to her -a product of her regressive neo-feudal conditioning like so many others of her ilk.

And 'Slaver hound' 'Matar' -a word association crafted by her own intelligence designed to wound further - this one is a product of her nature.

So much for Hannaya the cathedral polisher, but she still shares traits with the we poor heathens and secularists where nature and nurture both form a part of who we are. Something in common, then.

*

The question!

Tessa Scyne wrote:

I kindly ask, as I need to understand, what does being Minmatar mean to you?...


Being Matar is living for the moment, in my humble opinion.

This also has two connotations; being a free Matar, living for the now is a glorious luxury but a vital, passionate one. For the Matar who wear the glaive, even more poignantly true, in their case.

Kel hound wrote:
Quote:

"As it is said, know the land, know the people; know the people, know the nation."


This is nice. Very nice.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-07-02 05:49:02 UTC
Ssakaa wrote:

... being a free Matar, living for the now is a glorious luxury but a vital, passionate one...


Very aptly put.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#8 - 2012-07-02 06:18:07 UTC
In contrast to Halete's statements, I'm a Sebiestor who was insulated almost completely from our culture.

I was raised in The Flourette Arcology #1 on Dantbeinn VII, I'm not terribly familiar with the story behind the projects other than a few news posts I've looked up as I was remiss from attending class or much interacting with my supposed peer group. I didn't learn until after I left how much about my heritage I missed out on.

The Arcology was populated mostly by refugee slaves and impoverished Gallente citizens. In what I understand was the interest of fairness, people were effectively culturally sterilized by taking an oath to leave belief systems behind. No talk of scriptures or tribalism... nothing substantial, anyways.

I grew up with a lot of strange ideas of the world, really ignorant and misinformed to things like the Minmatar rebellion and Amarr society. I'd left for Pator Tech School a while before the riots started, but the couple thousand of people who living in that pyramid in the middle of a wasteland just completely lost it. I went on to a much better life, but not without some interesting turns.

Early in my career as a capsuleer, I joined an Amarr PMC, Ubiqua Seraph. I wasn't dealt the Amarr religion very much but I did have a strong interest in it. I chose to support the Amarr, I murdered my own people without (much) hesitation. After I left them, I avoided my tribe and its history out of fear of rejection for being a blood-traitor.

Eventually I learned that we're not so black and white and little issue was ever made to my support for our enemies.

I don't know if I side more with the Republic or our tribe or if I want to avoid the dichotomy, but these events taught me that a lot about culture is who you run in to even if I can't describe my attraction to "my roots". I don't think I've so much been genetically destined to support my own race, I've just kind of been shooed away from everything else.

Genes have a lot of powerful and strange influences, but they only dictate the structure of your being. It's your experiences that makes the rest of you. You were raised Jing Ko, you embrace it, the rest is just material for people to misjudge you over.
Zanziba'ar
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2012-07-02 21:07:46 UTC
I am not one for long answers.. But your question "to be Matar" piqued my interest as it is a question that one surely can't answer.

To be matari is essentially to be of the tribes that make up "The Minmatar" . Any other perception is purely personal. Nothing more. and certainly not Fact!.

Halete has more than covered the matter however. I just wanted to make my point clear.
  • Mulzvich "Zanziba'ar" Gorath
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#10 - 2012-07-02 21:35:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Tessa Scyne wrote:
Interesting choice of an example, but yes, I am aware of that. My stance is that genetics will make me gay or give me dark skin, but it will not make me funny or make it easyer for me to learn how to make a traditional tea.


Genetics does not 'make you' gay, being sexually or romantically active with someone of the same-sex makes you gay. Genetics creates a predisposition, but there are also genetic predispositions for pedophilia, sexual assult, sociopathy, and lying.

No, your genes can't 'make you' funny, but humor is based on a number of mental processes with genetic basis: being quick-witted, self-confidence, or having social empathy.

I am not saying a person is defined by their genes, but that most everything they do is influenced largely or slightly, by their genetics.

For example, ethnic Galleteans tend to have a higher threshold for stimulation than, for example, a person of the Civire bloodline. That is, in order to feel sufficiently mentally stimulated, they need to seek out more novel or 'exciting' experiences than a Cirvire. The average Civire can be quite content spending hours doing a task the average Galletean might find boring or monotonous. This doesn't mean that you should base your choice of accountant on ethnicity, but it does help to understand some broad cultural trends.

Kel hound wrote:
Ammusing how she almost flat out compares matari to dogs.

I compared humanity to dogs. But with humans like you running around, being called a dog should be a compliment.


Quote:
A human is a human, genetic sciences show no taxonomical differences that would fit what we refer to as "race".

Brutar are generally taller and have more muscle mass than Jin-Mei. Intake are more prone to certain hereditary diseases than True Amarr. I don't know any ethnic Khanid with skin as dark as Tessa's.

The Civire and Deteis have intermingled for centuries now, but when I note that a man has a 'Civire chin,' people know exactly what I mean.

Yes, there are genetic differences in the various strains of humanity, every educated person knows this. The question on hand is whether those differences influence the personality and to what extent.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#11 - 2012-07-02 22:27:57 UTC
Tessa Scyne wrote:
I have decided to be more public with my past as I have yet to answer some personal questions that I hope that will better assist me in understanding my heritage. I am proud to be Jin-Mei, but my entire life I have been barely considered Jing Ko because of the other half of my genome.


If you'd like, I can put you in touch with a Serpentis genetor who can have those pesky unwanted lower-caste genomes scrubbed entirely from your next clone. The man is working wonders with clones, playing ribonuclease strands like harp-strings, and he's been a great help with my... latest... well, let's say personal project.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#12 - 2012-07-02 23:20:05 UTC
Ah, the trouble of being born of two ethnicities that have very strict identity clauses. I reject basing my identity purely on my ethnicity (mixed here as well), since connecting the two as Kel Hound has pointed out it nothing more than a cultural thing.
Tessa Scyne
Shadowknight Securities
#13 - 2012-07-03 03:19:12 UTC
I am so sorry that I have not been more active in my own thread... Business trumps personal interests...

I'm going to form a more formal reply when I have the time, but I would like to say a few things. Firstly I was unaware there where so many views, but I should have... Next, I have not met by father but from tests he may have been of tribe Sebeiestor... but there's noway to know for sure unless I have a face to face.... something that I'm not too interested in...

Finally, while I don't beleave that you meant offence Istvaan, I would never change my genetics other than a minor remap or to change my hair. I am who I am, and I will not change. After all, how long would it take to for me to get a tan like this with sun alone?

I look forward to hearing more of your different views. I would also like to take the time to invite you to the Shadowknight Public ComNetwork. ( "ShadN" in the GalNET chat channels)

CEO, **SHADOWKNIGHT**securites ||  "Your Light in the Darkness."

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#14 - 2012-07-05 18:30:35 UTC
How did I miss this thread?

No matter; others have answered very, very well, but Ill weight in a little.

To "Be Matari" is to follow the path laid by one's ancestors. It dosent mean living as my family does, it means living as your family does. Of course there are "Minmatar" cultural elements; our religions, our languages, our food and social structures, our slang and sports and favorite drinks. But we are not "one" people, we are seven (For well or ill...) and vary so widely between tribes, or even between individual clans, that a Brutor may have no more in common with a Sebiestor than she might have in common with an Amarrian. Both the Brutor and Sebiestor are still very clearly "minmatar" however... so its a slippery concept to grasp.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Seraphim Aguila
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-07-05 19:49:19 UTC
Dear Tessa,

What a wonderful question you ask. Each of us will give an answer from our own experience and knowledge. I intentionally give an answer that reflects an ideal, not always reality. However, the ideal is worth holding on to.

Being Matari is a rich experience of belonging and destiny.

We belong to family, sub-clan, clan, sub-tribe, tribe, and to a community of tribes in balance, sometimes tension, but in beautiful variety. We are a community of nations.

It is an experience of destiny. Our spiritual paths take us on a journey of destiny. Our lives are entwined with the spirits of the cosmos and we move in harmony with them. If we have experienced the voluval, we enter the path of specific destiny that reflects the unity of the spirits with our inner person.

Fly, then, as a person of belonging and destiny. Let not the prominence of cynicism around you deny you the experience of all that being Matari entails. Embrace that which your Matari blood cries out to embrace.
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#16 - 2012-07-05 20:10:09 UTC
Tessa Scyne wrote:
Finally, while I don't beleave that you meant offence Istvaan, I would never change my genetics other than a minor remap or to change my hair. I am who I am, and I will not change. After all, how long would it take to for me to get a tan like this with sun alone?


Of course, miss Scyne. In the end, it is your choice. But do keep me in mind if you want to get really bloody high.
Lyskal Oskold
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-07-12 13:45:56 UTC
Tessa Scyne wrote:
I have a request.

I have decided to be more public with my past as I have yet to answer some personal questions that I hope that will better assist me in understanding my heritage. I am proud to be Jin-Mei, but my entire life I have been barely considered Jing Ko because of the other half of my genome. People have chastised me for my "unladylike" behavior and aggression, blaming it on my Minamar father whom I've never met, let alone known. I personally call bullshit on such claims as personality is shaped by culture and upbringing and not genetics, but this did bring up a large gap in my life. I know everything my mother taught me about being Jin-Mei, but nothing about what it means to be Minmatar.

I need to understand what it means to fly as Minmatar. I have been shown my place but I have always been free. I have been treated badly due to my caste, but never oppressed. I have been a slave to the system, but never a slave.

I kindly ask, as I need to understand, what does being Minmatar mean to you IGS?


To be Minmatar is to be emotional. To be intertwined with your heritage and birthright. Confusion, rage, fear, sadness, doubt...
Maybe it's just because I'm young... I was going to become an industrialist and help our nation grow. But it gnaws at you, you lay in your bed and feel yourself falling. I've seen slave breeding facilities, I've read up on our history. I can feel it pumping through my veins and making my head ache horribly.

The day I gave up my mining barge and got my tribal tattoos applied, at last joining the war effort, was the day I felt whole again. Maybe it's a void that is only temporarily filled with bloodlust and thoughts of justice. But for now it will have to keep me going.

To be Minmatar is to continue being enslaved to the darkness within us, a darkness others forced on us.

"Love is just a chemical, no matter the origin. We give it meaning by choice." - Eleanor Lamb

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-07-12 13:59:41 UTC
Lyskal Oskold wrote:
But it gnaws at you, you lay in your bed and feel yourself falling.


I know this feeling all too well.


"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21