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Nylith Empyreal

Sutar Rein

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#1 - 2012-07-11 03:41:39 UTC

Hey I'm looking for suggestions in regards to rigs for a particular fit that I'm trying. I do not have awu yet but am well on my way and missing a few key skills for t2, otherwise all core skills are five etc.

Rax;

High:
x4 anode electrons
x1 anode ion

Med:
x1 experimental 10mnmwd
x1-1best named web / scram

Lows:
x1 reactive armor hardener
x1 explosive hardener t2
x1 damage control t2
x1 800mm tungsten

I know there is bad flak for the reactive hardener currently but want to toy with it anyway. Current resisters are 63% em 70% exp 51% kin/therm. So that said for rigs would I want to look at a straight trimark I setup to give the reactive time to pool resists or would I want to do something like kin / therm or kin / em pumps and a trimark for rigs? Or something different? Any help would be welcome.

No I do not wish to do a 1600mm set up I like having pacing rep and do not wish to do a shield set up so please refrain from suggesting them instead. Thanks again.

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Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 103
Martin0 Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation Likes received: 103	#2 - 2012-07-11 09:41:34 UTC Yhe reactive armor ardener is crap, use a energized adaptive nano membrane II. You can fit 5 ions with advanced weapon upgrade IV

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Roime Mea Culpa. Shadow Cartel Likes received: 4,407	#3 - 2012-07-11 10:35:12 UTC http://www.evefit.org/Pyfa/Installation .

StoneCold

Decadence.

RAZOR Alliance

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#4 - 2012-07-11 11:02:05 UTC | Edited by: StoneCold

That is what you can get with awu:

[Thorax, 800mm gank]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Faint Warp Disruptor I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

Hammerhead II x5

630 DPS.
20.282 EHP
It´s a gank-boat. Thorax cries if you place to much tank on it (imo).

2 Rig slots spare for extra resistances or maybe you can squeeze stuff on it (reducing the skillneed) with medium pg / cpu rigs.

My true stories

Vellen Thoss

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 43

#5 - 2012-07-11 14:58:56 UTC

StoneCold wrote:

I would toss a hybrid optimal rig on there as well.

I try to fit my Blasthoraxes as cheaply as I can though, since they tend to die quickly once primaried, and with as much DPS as you can pump out (with good hybrid skills), you will be primaried quickly.

Nylith Empyreal

Sutar Rein

Likes received: 358

#6 - 2012-07-11 15:15:50 UTC

To update I'd rather keep the rep, but if you believe I should add more dps I can simply ad a pump or trimark and a dmg increase rig. I would like to still play with the reactive, but I can easily switch it out with eanm, so aside from that. I'm really concerned more about rigs than how the current set up is. And wondering more if I should worry about plugging resist holes or w/e. Thanks for the input so far.

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Vellen Thoss

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 43

#7 - 2012-07-11 15:43:35 UTC | Edited by: Vellen Thoss

Nylith Empyreal wrote:

Drop the rep, you wont live long enough to make the best use of it.

Buffer fit as best as you can without sacrificing Mag Stab slots. With cheap blaster boats like the Thorax and Brutix, I always buffer fit with a Plate + EANM + DCU and as many mag stabs as I can. Its well known these ships hit very hard and are usually primaried, so fit for the most damage you can do as quickly as possible.

If youre soloing fit Web + Point, if youre in a gang Web + Web. The slower your victim is moving, the more damage you'll do.

Nylith Empyreal

Sutar Rein

Likes received: 358

#8 - 2012-07-11 15:51:30 UTC | Edited by: Nylith Empyreal

This isn't for fleetsi n particular though nor small fleets trully, I knwo that probably woudl be better said at the start, but didn't catch it. I like the rep for running and upkeep, I don't want to get stuck in a station repairing and then unable to get out. As buffer or not, the odds are I will die anyhow, I hope to pick and chose my targets ebst I can, but if I do get caught I'd like to atleast be an annoying kill, aka ec drones etc.

Simply put not sure what my dps should be versus filling resist gaps for rigs. odds are with ec drones if I do go down that path I'll need a lot of dps to compensate.

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Vellen Thoss

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 43

#9 - 2012-07-11 15:57:26 UTC

Nylith Empyreal wrote:

Then youre flying the wrong ship.

PVP Thoraxes are high DPS gunnery ships and youre wasting a low slot on a repper. If you want to use drones effectively, fly a Vexor.

No offense, but don't ask for our advice if you already had a fit in mind you were planning on sticking with.


Nylith Empyreal Sutar Rein Likes received: 358	#10 - 2012-07-11 16:02:00 UTC I had a fit in midn but not rigs to go along with it, I wanted to know what rigs optimally should I use even with such an odd fit. If you don't like the rep that's fine I do. I clearly had typed this at the bottom of the fit when I made this post. Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?

Vellen Thoss

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 43

#11 - 2012-07-11 16:04:44 UTC

Nylith Empyreal wrote:

I had a fit in midn but not rigs to go along with it, I wanted to know what rigs optimally should I use even with such an odd fit. If you don't like the rep that's fine I do. I clearly had typed this at the bottom of the fit when I made this post.

All I am saying is that with the mods you want to use and the things you want to do, there are better ship options.

StoneCold

Decadence.

RAZOR Alliance

Likes received: 308

#12 - 2012-07-12 06:41:21 UTC | Edited by: StoneCold

Your setup hits, with all lvl 5 and 5 hammerheads II, without rigs, for 404 DPS (caldari anti matter). Got a tank of 87, cap lasts (with everything running) for 56 seconds. EHP around 20k.

No offense, but i doubt you got all supporting gunnery skills (and medium hybrid) to 5. I also take you don´t use hammerheads II with max level and drone support level.

The only thing thorax is good is blapping everything out of your way. Low dps wont do this job.

If you like those numbers you should aim for an enyo. It´s sig-tanking better than the thorax.

[EDIT]:

gank fit (all at 5) does 648 dps (with void), ehp: 20.8k, cap lasts over 2m (pretty much every fight got to an end - the one way or the other).

[Thorax, 800mm MAR II]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Anode Ion Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

Hammerhead II x5

does 520 dps (@ lvl 5) with 18k ehp.

[Thorax, 800mm just buffer]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Anode Ion Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

Hammerhead II x5

520 dps (@ lvl 5) with 20k EHP

Sidenote: without the MAR you might have more pg left to upgrade more electrons to ions.

I stopped putting 1600mm on my gallente ships as i had to put ab and electrons on it.

I fly regulary a gank fitted deimos.

My true stories

Batelle

Federal Navy Academy

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#13 - 2012-07-12 15:14:35 UTC | Edited by: Batelle

The GLORY of awu 5, hybrid rigging 4

[Thorax, 800 ion 2x mfs]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

Vespa EC-600 x5

550 o/h w/ faction AM. Pretty good for ECM drones.
23.5k EHP

You can save powergrid and cpu by changing the meta level of the mids and losing the gun rig. You can also save CPU on the damage control, but otherwise don't mess with the lows. Damage drones vs ECM just depends on gang composition, but the ECM drones work just as well with less skills. If you really want to use a rep in a low slot, just fit a small armor rep. It will save you more pg for the guns.

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Batelle

Federal Navy Academy

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#14 - 2012-07-12 15:20:24 UTC

StoneCold wrote:

I stopped putting 1600mm on my gallente ships as i had to put ab and electrons on it.

I fly regulary a gank fitted deimos.

a 1600 + ions deimos + a hybrid rig does the same dps as a 800 deimos with neutrons and no rig. The 1600 deimos is faster too.

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Vellen Thoss

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#15 - 2012-07-12 15:43:03 UTC

StoneCold wrote:

Repper + plate = bad idea, pick one or the other IMO. Repper + Resist mods & ANP + Explosive rig or Plate with trimarks & resists. Either way the buffer will have more cap stability and DPS in my experience.

Vellen Thoss

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 43

#16 - 2012-07-12 15:43:53 UTC

Batelle wrote:

StoneCold wrote:

I stopped putting 1600mm on my gallente ships as i had to put ab and electrons on it.

I fly regulary a gank fitted deimos.

a 1600 + ions deimos + a hybrid rig does the same dps as a 800 deimos with neutrons and no rig. The 1600 deimos is faster too.

The Deimos is also fantastically more expensive than a Thorax and dies just as fast since such high DPS ships are usually primaried.

Batelle

Federal Navy Academy

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#17 - 2012-07-12 17:43:08 UTC

Vellen Thoss wrote:

Batelle wrote:

StoneCold wrote:

I stopped putting 1600mm on my gallente ships as i had to put ab and electrons on it.

I fly regulary a gank fitted deimos.

a 1600 + ions deimos + a hybrid rig does the same dps as a 800 deimos with neutrons and no rig. The 1600 deimos is faster too.

The Deimos is also fantastically more expensive than a Thorax and dies just as fast since such high DPS ships are usually primaried.

Just pointing out that upping to a 1600 and forgetting the trimarks gets you about 25% more ehp, with only a moderate loss of dps projection and no loss to mobility

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Lost Greybeard Drunken Yordles Likes received: 716	#18 - 2012-07-12 20:08:36 UTC Um, that's a lot of ship speed penalty for a blaster boat, have you guys actually found that the MWD still gives you enough speed with the what, near 50% penalty to base velocity you've got there (plus it not being terribly fast to begin with)? Serious question, I haven't flown a 'rax in a while.


Nylith Empyreal Sutar Rein Likes received: 358	#19 - 2012-07-12 21:31:23 UTC The speed increase is nice, honestly you'll catch most of everything unless it's a frig or particular minmatar ship, well fair enough for the rigs~ so nothing beyond 1 EXP Pump? Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?


StoneCold Decadence. RAZOR Alliance Likes received: 308	#20 - 2012-07-13 08:43:18 UTC Batelle wrote: Just pointing out that upping to a 1600 and forgetting the trimarks gets you about 25% more ehp, with only a moderate loss of dps projection and no loss to mobility You´re all right. Forgot to mention that my 800mm neutron deimos also got a medium neut. My true stories

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Shadow Cartel

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