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100mn Legion Frig killer...?
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Jonnie Concrete
You're Doing It Wrong
#1 - 2012-07-11 19:45:30 UTC


guess the idea is to "let" tackle get on top of me about 100km off a gate, then double neut the fcker, fly away whilst pointing him to 36km and eat his flying vehicle with 379dps. Can also tank 1k for extra survivabilty.

problem?

comments?

[Legion, jh]
Centum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Centum B-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum B-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum B-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Core B-Type 100MN Afterburner
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Domination Warp Disruptor

Imperial Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer
Imperial Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Electronics - Energy Parasitic Complex
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-07-11 19:50:33 UTC
What could possibly go wrong?
Jonnie Concrete
You're Doing It Wrong
#3 - 2012-07-11 19:51:51 UTC
Takeshi Yamato wrote:
What could possibly go wrong?


you could reply to my thread with some inane nonsense.
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-07-11 20:03:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
Jonnie Concrete wrote:
Takeshi Yamato wrote:
What could possibly go wrong?


you could reply to my thread with some inane nonsense.



OK, you asked for it:

It's a ridiculously expensive ****** fit (low dps, no damage control, no web, not fast enough for the type of solo work that you plan on doing).

More importantly, the choice of ship and the way you imagine yourself using it shows you have little experience. There are plenty of tacklers that will be able to keep you pointed from outside neut range and others that will just ignore the neuts. You're basically a loot pinata.

Also what is wrong with you: billions of ISK on a fit with the sole purpose of killing some tacklers? Buy a destroyer with t2 equipment instead.

Better yet, join Red vs Blue so you start to understand how things work.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-07-11 20:44:51 UTC
bad fit is bad.
you need a web for frigs, you wont be hitting frigs while 100mn burning, your tank is horribly wrong...

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george harries
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-07-11 20:57:34 UTC
OK, not a big PvPer but I can see a few issues with your fit

1. Too Pimped.....simple

2. Probably not the best ship or set up for what you're thinking

3. Legion....well tbh HAM legion is better than lasers afaik - how much of a buff does it need if that's the case.


I think you may have been theory crafting...that's not a bad thing but simply slapping on the most expensive gear is not necessarily the answer.....IN Neuts can probably be justified on a curse/Bhaal given the bonuses and that they will be good in a group but a solo legion....not seen/heard of much outside WH for some reason - if you haven't done a lot of PvP then try a destroyer fitted for fast locking and high damage then move up from there...that ship is going to get tackled and people will just love the KM...seriously what would that cost to put together :-/
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#7 - 2012-07-11 21:42:41 UTC
-Golden rule #1 in Low / 0.0 : T3's are worth a ton of gold! Given even the smallest opportunity, half of local's population will converge on and dismantle a T3 ship like piranhas after a bleeding gazelle for the fun Kill Mail, and chance at expensive salvage / drops.

If you are going to fly a T3, be sure you can get away, or fly with friends. Legion is one of my favorite ships, but in order to be effective, you have to commit that money bucket, and chances are if you are solo and they are not, you will lose.

You also need much more dps than that. Weather you go HAM or Pulse, you should be pushing at a bare minimum 600+ or you will not have time to kill most things in pvp and get away (you can get smaller dps vs frigs, but you need a web or something to hold them in range).

Listen to the posters above you (ignoring trolling or insults). My pvp experience is limited (my alt does most of it and has less training than this char), but even I know these basics. ;)

If you want to neut and kill, go for a Curse... although you probably wont get ANYONE to willingly follow you away from their corp mates to attack you in one (curses are just damned annoying). If you want to zoom in and laser tag someone hard, id go with a Harbinger or a Zealot.
Unfortunately, most of Amarr (with a couple of exceptions) tend to be more of the bruiser philosophy, - just lock em and pew pew till one of you is dead-. A ton of fun, and great in groups, but when solo there are a lot of ships-with-tricks that can cause you pain.

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#8 - 2012-07-11 22:23:29 UTC
Better off kiting with an oracle. Or a talos.

Talos is probably better now that I think about it.
jimmyjam
Fire Mandrill
#9 - 2012-07-12 00:27:24 UTC
you could do this a lot cheaper if it gos belly just saying.
Armeggeda iscariah
Ganja Labs
Exodus.
#10 - 2012-07-12 00:38:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Armeggeda iscariah
Ever heard of an Assault missile caracal ? Podla mk.3 Dual web drake ? Destroyers ?

But hey , throw **** loads of isk into a ship that can get solo'd by a good AF pilot. Ill gladly take a free legion KM.

Also 100mn legions are crap, get a 100mn tengu. you can kill lots of **** and not suck at it. (if your a skilled pilot.)

Hail Satan.
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#11 - 2012-07-12 03:52:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Dibblerette
Zyella Stormborn wrote:
Given even the smallest opportunity, half of local's population will converge on and dismantle a T3 ship like piranhas after a bleeding gazelle for the fun Kill Mail, and chance at expensive salvage / drops.

I lol'd

That said, One or two well-placed artillery volleys would pop your shiny ship like an elephant stepping on a hamster. Since 100mn T3's generally have issues turning, and artillery is renowned for it's love of things that fly in straight lines...well, you get the picture. I don't know much about pvp T3s, Legion especially, but SOME sort of buffer is helpful to ensure you can get a cycle of repairs off. In addition, you have a triple stacking penalized deadspace EANM. That third one is doing little beyond sitting there being expensive.

Honestly, your best bet for this sort of thing would probably be an arty Loki (fast) or a Tengu with precision missiles loaded, or possibly a drone proteus (Almost kept a straight face, almost.), that is if you MUST fly T3. In the T2 realm, the Zealot sounds like it might work well, along with the Vagabond.

In my opinion, if you're looking for enemy gangs in your multi-billion isk brick s---house, and then only killing the tackle, you're doing it wrong. Plus, any good ceptor pilot will follow a strict scorched earth policy and loot/destroy the wrecks of his fallen comrades. Actually not unlike the aforementioned piranhas, go figure.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#12 - 2012-07-12 06:28:14 UTC
Jonnie Concrete wrote:

problem?

comments?


It's an awfully expensive ship and fitting for essentially killing expendable ships.

Also, how much time do you think you have to execute your plan before the rest of the hostiles get there and pick your ship apart?

If you really want to do attrition warfare against gate camps, use expendable ships (plural, since you'll need more than one), fittings that effective yet as expendable as the ship, and a plan that actually allows you to kill something before your ship gets turned into space dust.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-07-12 07:14:59 UTC
I too throw billions in assets at Frigates.

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Fleet Warpsujarento
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-07-12 09:56:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Fleet Warpsujarento
You guys are all getting too hung up on this ship's performance when fighting tacklers. We don't need to worry about that.

There's no way a massive suicide-gank loot-piñata like this is going to make it out of Jita alive.
StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#15 - 2012-07-12 10:41:32 UTC
Muninn should eat frigs alive. Never used one though, but just watch all those bonuses on that ship :sober:

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Jonnie Concrete
You're Doing It Wrong
#16 - 2012-07-12 12:29:33 UTC
what you guys aren't realizing is that i have amarr subsystems all trained to 3 and i have ALOT of isk (at least 1.5 BILLION).
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-07-12 12:53:58 UTC
I have a 1.5 billion pimp fit Legion (T2 rigs and all). I use it in WH mostly and only with the greatest caution. I would NEVER take it into PvP because it'll die and it would be too much of an embarrassing kill mail to have on KB for the rest of my Eve career. So as others have said, under no circumstances use it in PvP. It will die. Ok?
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#18 - 2012-07-12 13:22:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Danny John-Peter
Not sure if troll but, if you really wanted a T3 for this job, a dual web armour Loki or Kiting shield Loki will be much better for what you desire.

That asides, a Podla Drake, dual web/neut Armour Cane, Dual 180 1600 plated Fleet Stabber or various other vessels are far more effective at killing frigates, what you built here is essentially terrible.

Edit; 3 EANMs are horribly stacking penalised, a DC will be more beneficial.

MOAR EDIT;

[Loki, Armour Dual Web + Deeps]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
True Sansha Armor Explosive Hardener

Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

This is fairly Ghetto cheap and probably describes more what you need, point and web to 35k without links (Heating the point) reasonable range with barrage and good DPS, plus a set of Warriors and a set of EC-300 for good measure, alternatively you can visit my BC loadout here;

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/60213-Perma-MWD-Lokibond.html

Which is a shield version, again with the extended point and web range but with less DPS, however it does gain a neut.

The legion seems pretty terrible for this.

Also, your set up tanks closer to 650/790DPS, not 1000, it also has about as much buffer as a Rupture, which wont hold you in good stead.
Lili Lu
#19 - 2012-07-12 13:54:21 UTC
Jonnie Concrete wrote:
what you guys aren't realizing is that i have amarr subsystems all trained to 3 and i have ALOT of isk (at least 1.5 BILLION).

I'll play along.Big smile

Your fit will work wonderfully. And, if by chance they get you it was a fluke and just get a new one and fit it the same.

Keep buying plex and converting to isk with which to fund this endeavor. More money for CCP -> More devs they can hire and devote to fixing the coding problems between the game and video drivers, and more devs for assignment to speed up ship rebalancing.

You get to kill some frigs with your amazing ingenuity and awesome ship and we all get a game that doesn't lock up and we see more than tengus and drakes everywhere. Everyone wins.Big smile
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#20 - 2012-07-12 14:46:36 UTC
Jonnie Concrete wrote:
what you guys aren't realizing is that i have amarr subsystems all trained to 3 and i have ALOT of isk (at least 1.5 BILLION).


5/10 for having a convincing first post.

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