Jita Park Speakers Corner

1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1a) no experience with invention

2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence


3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed

4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed

5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5d) other - please specify
- unsure

6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6d) other - please specify
- who in there right mind sells a t2 BPO?

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify
- It is all about who has the isk.

8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
- no opinion

9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal

10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
none of the above

11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years
11c) current market ISK value for their BPO
11d) other - please specify
B or C are good option.

12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.

If CCP game isk. There would be a clear influx of isk. But I am not sure how it would effect the market. BPC should not do much of anything.

Sufficient opinions were expressed so far to have MY personal opinions not tamper much with the running of the poll.
Added a few clarifications to each of the answers for those who wish to "understand" why I support those choices.


1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing

Not a lot of ISK though, it's too boring and clickfesty for my taste, I prefer trading - however, KNOWING how invention works is crucial for trading.

2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence

It is true that for some items that have no T2 BPOs invention is almost never profitable, but sadly, the exact same thing happens with some items that have no T2 BPOs. The problem in that latter case is inventors who fail to do the proper math before starting invention.

3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed

A few items which are unprofitable to invent would become much more expensive while dropping in manufactured volume, and all items would become a bit more expensive due to the waste inherent in invention which taxes whatever bottleneck moon minerals exist.

4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly

While there would be more inventors around, their numbers will not be SIGNIFICANTLY higher - the waste on bottleneck materials will lower the total amount of items that can be manufactured, leading to only slightly more inventors.

5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly

Initially, per-inventor character profit MIGHT go up, but the slight increase in inventor numbers will offset most of that, ending up with inventors making more or less the same profit they make today, if not lower thanks to more people attempting financially doomed inventions without bothering with the math and then trying to recover whatever ISK they can.

6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced

By the very nature of the free market, they can NOT be unreasonably priced.
While I personally would NOT bother to buy one at the current prices (very low RoI), it makes sense for certain classes of people to buy some (in particular people with too much idle ISK), and for others to sell theirs (liquidity shortages and other business opportunities).
On average, the price is "just right" for both of those extreme circumstance parties and a trade is made.

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify

I consider this to be irrelevant.

8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify

I consider this to be irrelevant.

9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal

There is only a minimal benefit in removing them, and fair compensation would be problematic for the game as a whole ; they might not be great to have, but removing them would be worse ; I would much more support a heavy buff for invention, be it in reducing clicks, lowering waste or any other number of things, and also, adding alternative ways to obtain bottleneck moongoo.

10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify

While my confidence in CCP being able to do the "rational thing" would go down a notch, it would not be enough to overshadow the many other good things the game has to offer. Plus, I have a truckload of ISK from trade to afford PLEXing until after my likely time of death.

11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - please specify

The only halfway reasonable option would be to grant about a third of the current market price PLUS at least 5 years' worth of BPCs.
I would very much prefer a buff to invention instead of even touching T2 BPOs though.

12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
The ISK coming in from compensations will wreak havoc with the EVE economy for quite a while until it settles.
Buffing invention instead would have very little drawbacks.

1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing

2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2b) one without a T2 BPO is better to invent for profit

3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3d) other - please specify : rare item prices would change up and down probably depending on short term profit margin, popular item prices wouldn't change much in long term

4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed

5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5d) other - please specify: i do not believe profit for popular items would change much because of fair competition, but rare items would probably have opportunities for greater profit

6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6d) other - please specify: irrelevant/doesn't matter, this is case where we have artificially created situtation where someone already has something which affects others and others cannot have it.

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify: irrelevant, those who have bought bpo have of course made effort but again nothing to do with our nice artificially created situtation.

8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify

9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal

10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify: I am not likely to do much invention as it is now.

11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11c) current market ISK value for their BPO

12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
Amount of ISK given out for compensating losses of T2 BPO's would be somewhat irrelevant for economy.

1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention

2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence


3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly

4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly

5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly

6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive ( some are just not worth the prices paid, ROI is 4-8 years in some cases, and i can think of better uses of my isk than that)

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward( these are the titans of the industrial world)

8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward

9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal

10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10c) I would quit the game if T2 BPOs WERE removed ( i own some t2 bpo's and have worked my nuts off fto buy them, if they were removed id be pisssed. id rage a little, have a month off and then see if i had intrest in eve after my nerd rage ended)

11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) there is no way to compensate for there removal.

12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
nothing would change significantly

1. What is your personal experience with invention ?

1c) made ISK and quit inventing - trading makes more ISK



2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?

2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence - T2 BPOs never set the price of anything since invention was put into the game.


3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?

3c) nothing would change significantly - again, T2 BPOs dont set the price, they just take advantage of it.


4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?

4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed - this is mainly because of people's flawed idea that the T2 BPOs reduce profit for inventors, you'd see a lot of people try it


5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?

5b) each inventor would earn far less ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed - again, a lot of new inventors would crop up because of peoples flawed ideas about T2 BPOs


6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?

6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive - if you buy a T2 BPO you will NEVER make your ROI especially if you count opportunity cost. The market is being held so high by the moronic idea that theyre crazy profitable.


7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?

7d) no opinion / other - please specify - It depends on how they got the BPO, the T20 debacle was totally unfair, but the people who got them by research agents lost billions in RP because they could have gotten datacores when the lottery was over; that was completely fair.


8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?

8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward - especially when you count opportunity cost


9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?

9b) I am against their removal - There is no good way to remove them, and no reason to do so either. I think it adds some interesting lore to the game and shows its age.


10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?

10d) do not care / other - please specify - They do not effect the price of anything


11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?

11d) other - please specify - I feel like they should get all the RP that the BPO was worth when it was given out, IE how many RP the character had when they got the BPO. that being said, i still dont think thats fair, just the best of a bad situation.


12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?

Well it would totally crash the datacore market for a while, but its way better than granting BPCs that could be run concurrently, or inflating the ISK even more than it already is by dumping hundreds of billions on the market.

1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention

2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence

3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed

4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4b) there would be far less inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed

5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed

6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7a) they got it too easily

8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8a) they got it too easily

9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal

10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care

11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years
or
11c) current market ISK value for their BPO

12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
Higher prices on some items controlled by t2 bpos owners, what would mess with all the rest of eve comunitie who would need to pay more for determinated items. Why's that? people like to cry about those kind of stuff!

my single answer to all the questions.

This is a setup, but honestly I don't really care, the small stuff will go up but thats bout all that's gonna happen if any changes or nerfs happen, on that note im against nerfing anything, if change happens, then make the less fun things, Fun and enjoyable, dont nerf the already fun things.

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P.S.
I don't want them removed, I want T1 to disappear from NPC sales and both forms T1 and T2 to be researchable via the old research agents, I.E. gotta work yer bat off for any BPO's as people just underestimate the privileges they have with such a powerful ingame type of item.

b) leave them alone

I think the drop rate for invenstion related materials should be increased and improved. I think the time has come for invention to overshadow T2 BPOs. The current invention system was designed to preserve T2 BPO viability; this is no longer needed or wanted. Invention BPC count and ME levels should reach and potentially eclipse T2 BPOs.

If this is done, then T2 BPOs almost may as well not exist.

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ALTERNATIVE SHORT POLL START
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Q-SOLO : Your opinion about T2 BPOs ?

QSb) leave them alone

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ALTERNATIVE SHORT POLL END
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BIG POLL START
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ?

1d) keep making ISK from invention

2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?

2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence

3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?

3d) other - please specify
--- I think that in general, T2 module prices would remain the same, T2 ammo prices would remain the same, and unpopular t2 ship prices would skyrocket... Invention, when coupled with the market, insures that t2 BPO owners set reasonable prices for their goods.... With goods that are ubiquitously used, the t2 BPO holder has little influence on the market as a whole (think 150mm autocannons), but with rare items (mostly ships like the Eagle, etc) t2 BPO holders can produce the majority of items. Since these are slow moving items, T2 BPO producers have to price their stuff competitively to actually move their goods and make money, so they typically sell at low enough prices that invention processes cannot compete... The consumer (i.e. most EvE players) win here, as they are getting the item even cheaper.... The other inventors who tried to compete with the T2 BPO holder don't matter, because they're morons that didn't adequately research their product and idiotically tried to compete in the low-volume market... This is akin to Ford complaining that Chrystler produces an identical vehicle more cheaply, and demands the government step in and fine chrystler's production process so Ford can compete... It takes a special kind of stupid to think this is good for the consumer!!!!!

4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?

4c) nothing would change significantly

5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?

5c) nothing would change significantly

6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?

6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?

7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward

8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?

8d) no opinion / other - please specify
-- What does this question even mean?? to own a random one?? You mean how do I feel about the T2 BPO owners that acquired their BPO via the lotter, as opposed to purchasing their BPO as an investment?? I hope that's what you mena by questions 7 & 8, but you need to elaborate a bit there.... BPO owners that purchased their BPO's as an investment deserve all the rewards they can milk out of that investment.... BPO owners that won their BPO in a lottery... lucky for them... it doesn't hurt me, and it doesn't hurt you... so let them be...

9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?

9b) I am ADAMANTLY against their removal


10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?

10d) do not care / other - please specify
--- I don't own any T2 BPO's, but I would be PISSED at CCP for it, unless they more-than-reasonable compensated the T2 BPO holders.... and then I'd be pissed because they took the risk out of OWNING a t2 BPO, as their worth varies dramatically with the game environment. Essentially, I see no good reason to remove them, and so I'd just be pissed off at CCP unless they can come up with a very convincing reason to do as such!!!!

11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?

11b) a RESEARCHED BPC with enough runs to last 5 years (but if you give them this, why bother removing the BPO in the first place!!!!)


12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
--- The removal of t2 BPO's would primarily result in more expensive t2 ships for most EvE players. Modules and Ammo would remain mostly unchanged. The idiotic inventors that try to compete in difficult, low movement markets would only be happy for a day. They would soon realized that its groups of players that acquire materials at below market prices that are really kicking their ass these markets, and forge another campaign to have CCP make competition fair for them... This almost sounds like the plot of an Ayn Rand book....
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BIG POLL END

1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1a) no experience with invention

2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2b) one without a T2 BPO is better to invent for profit

3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly

4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed

5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed

6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced

7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7a) they got it too easily

8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8a) they got it too easily

9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal

10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify

11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - please specify
A max run BPC

12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
None