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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#81 - 2012-07-11 23:26:13 UTC
Am I missing something, or is that eve wiki DD page wrong? Not been updated in a while I guess?

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Beautiful Frelcia
Fatalix Industries
Brave Collective
#82 - 2012-07-11 23:45:17 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Your corp name says everything I think about this post.


+1

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Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#83 - 2012-07-12 00:28:12 UTC
Jesus, hes still arguing?


Yes, let's give people an easier way to not have to encounter PvP EVER.

In an Iteron Mark V and need to bypass a gatecamp? No problem, just use this nifty Hyperdrive and bypass every player everywhere!

Cap/SCap hot drops got you down? No problem! I've proposed that we add flight times to a process that is actually near instantaneous because I refuse to believe jump drives generate worm holes because I can't use them to get to WH space!

Titans are so overpowered! If you have more in your fleet you auto win because DD's oneshot everything! Fleet bonuses, tanks and implants? What are those?


Seriously, OP, just give up already. Your ideas are bad and you should feel bad.
Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-07-12 00:48:27 UTC
Hiyora Akachi wrote:

Yes, let's give people an easier way to not have to encounter PvP EVER.

In an Iteron Mark V and need to bypass a gatecamp? No problem, just use this nifty Hyperdrive and bypass every player everywhere!

blah blah blah lies distortions blah blah


As long as there are resources to fight over, there will always be pvp. Want more pvp, introduce more valuable resources.

I want to see badgers get blown up as much as you do. What do you think about allowing aggressors to follow ships through the hyperspace window that they open while the ship is in hyperspace? If a ship exited hyperspace within a bubble, that could also be problematic.

Thoughts on HICs running system wide anti-cyno fields? Anti-cyno upgrades for the IHUB or arrays for any pos?

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein 

Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#85 - 2012-07-12 01:39:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiyora Akachi
Andy Landen wrote:

Too bad no nearby ships can enter the same wormhole at the same instant. Why not? Maybe because there is no wormhole. Cyno jammers do not prevent wormholes in the system. The duration of a wormhole is not dependent on the distance between systems. CCP has been quite clear that they do not intend to allow ships to generate wormholes. And the wormhole wiki page mentions nothing of jump drives.

Taken from Tchulen, 27th post, page 2

My point about you not understanding the jump drives and proposing the travel time between Jump start and Cyno field.


I'm not even gonna quote the rest because you argued with Grath for a good few posts about your knowledge of caps and DDs.



Also, you're a bastard, going back and removing your posts about the WHs from jumps. Only evidence left is your edited posts and the responses of other people to you saying something that was wrong or mildly stupid.

And as was suggested on page one, biomass yourself.


Now.
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#86 - 2012-07-12 01:58:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiyora Akachi
Andy Landen wrote:


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What do you think about allowing aggressors to follow ships through the hyperspace window that they open while the ship is in hyperspace? If a ship exited hyperspace within a bubble, that could also be problematic.

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That'd work, if you know, they didn't jump from a non-descript location like a random moon or deadspace bookmark.
Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#87 - 2012-07-13 00:05:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Andy Landen
Hiyora Akachi wrote:
Andy Landen wrote:

What do you think about allowing aggressors to follow ships through the hyperspace window that they open while the ship is in hyperspace? If a ship exited hyperspace within a bubble, that could also be problematic.


That'd work, if you know, they didn't jump from a non-descript location like a random moon or deadspace bookmark.


Can't make it too easy. You have to catch them to follow them. Let the hunter hunt his prey. There are these really cool things called combat scanners which really don't care about how non-descript the location might be. From there, simply follow through the window. The farther the jump the more time you have to follow. The shorter the jump, the more people have the chance to catch him in more systems. PVP was never meant to be easy.

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein 

Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#88 - 2012-07-13 00:16:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiyora Akachi
But, if the warping player is being hunted by players with combat probes, the WH won't show up.

If the player made WH showed up with combat probes it -might- work. But you never know if you're following that Indy that warped out or a pvp fit BS into nullsec, and people would whine about that then until CCP adds the name of the opener and the sec level of the destination making PvP too easy.

Because people will ***** about anything for PvP that doesn't require them to orbit a gate for hours on end with a warp disruption bubble going. Not counting blob/gang fight of course.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#89 - 2012-07-13 10:36:02 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Andy Landen wrote:


You will soon see that I know more about capital ships than you would like.


And then you proceeded to give out the wrong damage for a DD, and then spout off a bunch of HP numbers like you might know what you're talking about while giving naked hp numbers instead of actual fleet bonused numbers like you would encounter in a situation where you're getting DD'd.


You don't understand cap ships, you think you know how to work EFT but you're even failing at that. GG.

Then you proceed to be wrong about me giving the wrong damage for a DD. Check it out: http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Doomsday
I already said that there are boosters and implants, etc, so of course there are fleet bonuses, etc. So desperate to say I am wrong even when I'm not .. !



You are wrong, you're basing your numbers off a wiki thats wrong as well, or rather, incomplete. You are like a theoretical engineer trying to tell an actual engineer how something that he works with every day is supposed to work, and the actual engineer is standing here looking at you like you're ********.

The fact that you went on this long and had no working experience with anything you're talking about is amazing.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#90 - 2012-07-13 10:42:59 UTC
Nothing exists in between systems and it would require CCP wasting time and money implementing servers to handle some sort of area between systems.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#91 - 2012-07-13 11:33:13 UTC
Wikis are never wrong Grath.
Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-07-13 12:35:14 UTC
Hiyora Akachi wrote:
But, if the warping player is being hunted by players with combat probes, the WH won't show up.

If the player made WH showed up with combat probes it -might- work. But you never know if you're following that Indy that warped out or a pvp fit BS into nullsec, and people would whine about that then until CCP adds the name of the opener and the sec level of the destination making PvP too easy.

Because people will ***** about anything for PvP that doesn't require them to orbit a gate for hours on end with a warp disruption bubble going. Not counting blob/gang fight of course.

You are absolutely correct in your last statement.

I am calling the opening a "hyperspace window". Making it a scannable signature would be fine with me and if someone wanted to enter it, they would have to take the same risk as jumping through a K162 wh. Who knows what's on the other side or where it is, but if they survive, they will have a story to tell. I was originally thinking that they would have to scan the ship out and warp to it. The scan would show the ship type and they would see it if they landed before it entered the window. Even if they saw an industrial, it could be a trap with the indy traveling to his friends between systems or into null sec. The hunter and the trap, the cat and the mouse, the flight and the pursuit.

PS: Grath, you sound like your claiming to be a Titan pilot. If the wikis are wrong, and EFT is wrong, and everyone that is posting all over the internet is wrong about the DD damage, why are you still failing to provide the "correct" answer? .. So I am even looking at the Judgement DD in game and it says EM damage: 2 mil HP. So, if your are a true Titan engineer, and I am a theoretical Titan engineer, it seems that you should just hand over your Titan to me. Too bad I don't have the skills to fly it or I would be x bil ISK richer right now. Oooh, so owned Grath, ooh, boo yah [doing the "owned you" dance] Who's the fool now, Grathboy, et all? I really hope that all Titan pilots know the real damage of their DD's before jumping into their Titan. lol. Seriously, you are trying to counter my ideas with an issue that is only barely related to the main topic of this thread, even though I am right. I am pretty sure that I just schooled you to deep humility .. swallow hard.

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein 

ilammy
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2012-07-13 12:40:13 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:
PS: Grath, you sound like your claiming to be a Titan pilot. If the wikis are wrong, and EFT is wrong, and everyone that is posting all over the internet is wrong about the DD damage, why are you still failing to provide the "correct" answer? .. So I am even looking at the Judgement DD in game and it says EM damage: 2 mil HP. So, if your are a true Titan engineer, and I am a theoretical Titan engineer, it seems that you should just hand over your Titan to me. Too bad I don't have the skills to fly it or I would be x bil ISK richer right now. Oooh, so owned Grath, ooh, boo yah [doing the "owned you" dance] Who's the fool now, Grathboy, et all? I really hope that all Titan pilots know the real damage of their DD's before jumping into their Titan. lol. Seriously, you are trying to counter my ideas with an issue that is only barely related to the main topic of this thread, even though I am right. I am pretty sure that I just schooled you to deep humility .. swallow hard.
So much HURRDURR.

DD damage = 2 mil × (1 + Doomsday Operation skill level × 0.10) ⇒ 3 mil damage with perfect skills.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-07-13 12:45:49 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:
PS: Grath, you sound like your claiming to be a Titan pilot. If the wikis are wrong, and EFT is wrong, and everyone that is posting all over the internet is wrong about the DD damage, why are you still failing to provide the "correct" answer? .. So I am even looking at the Judgement DD in game and it says EM damage: 2 mil HP. So, if your are a true Titan engineer, and I am a theoretical Titan engineer, it seems that you should just hand over your Titan to me. Too bad I don't have the skills to fly it or I would be x bil ISK richer right now. Oooh, so owned Grath, ooh, boo yah [doing the "owned you" dance] Who's the fool now, Grathboy, et all? I really hope that all Titan pilots know the real damage of their DD's before jumping into their Titan. lol. Seriously, you are trying to counter my ideas with an issue that is only barely related to the main topic of this thread, even though I am right. I am pretty sure that I just schooled you to deep humility .. swallow hard.

The reason he's "not providing the correct answer" is because it lets mouthbreathers like you shoot yourselves in the face.

Like you did.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#95 - 2012-07-13 12:53:12 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:

PS: Grath, you sound like your claiming to be a Titan pilot..


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Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-07-13 12:56:14 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Andy Landen wrote:
PS: Grath, you sound like your claiming to be a Titan pilot. If the wikis are wrong, and EFT is wrong, and everyone that is posting all over the internet is wrong about the DD damage, why are you still failing to provide the "correct" answer? .. So I am even looking at the Judgement DD in game and it says EM damage: 2 mil HP. So, if your are a true Titan engineer, and I am a theoretical Titan engineer, it seems that you should just hand over your Titan to me. Too bad I don't have the skills to fly it or I would be x bil ISK richer right now. Oooh, so owned Grath, ooh, boo yah [doing the "owned you" dance] Who's the fool now, Grathboy, et all? I really hope that all Titan pilots know the real damage of their DD's before jumping into their Titan. lol. Seriously, you are trying to counter my ideas with an issue that is only barely related to the main topic of this thread, even though I am right. I am pretty sure that I just schooled you to deep humility .. swallow hard.

The reason he's "not providing the correct answer" is because it lets mouthbreathers like you shoot yourselves in the face.

Like you did.

Or because he didn't know it. If his case was that T1 caps can survive a single DD, an increase in damage to 3 mil HP damage only hurts his case. And even if a cap could survive a single DD, there ain't no way it could survive two DD's, thus doing little for the argument that caps can survive the first wave of a sufficiently large Titan fleet volley. So while I was unaware of the Doomsday damage increase of 10% per level, I was right on the damage being at least and at base 2 mil, and I was right about the capitals being easily alpha'd by Doomsdays Devices. And I was right about the damage having little to do with my ideas and therefore not challenging them in the slightest manner. At least Lord Zim knows the correct answer and that after skills, the DD is 50% more damage (2 mil HP turns into 3 mil HP).

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein 

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2012-07-13 13:00:43 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:
Or because he didn't know it. If his case was that T1 caps can survive a single DD, an increase in damage to 3 mil HP damage only hurts his case. And even if a cap could survive a single DD, there ain't no way it could survive two DD's, thus doing little for the argument that caps can survive the first wave of a sufficiently large Titan fleet volley. So while I was unaware of the Doomsday damage increase of 10% per level, I was right on the damage being at least and at base 2 mil, and I was right about the capitals being easily alpha'd by Doomsdays Devices. And I was right about the damage having little to do with my ideas and therefore not challenging them in the slightest manner. At least Lord Zim knows the correct answer and that after skills, the DD is 50% more damage (2 mil HP turns into 3 mil HP).

No, I'm pretty sure he knows. I didn't know the whole deal with the DD damage after skills, but that's because I'm not a titan pilot, Grath is, however.

I tend to take him on his words when he says "you're wrong", since 99.9% of the time, you are. But please, continue. I want to see how deep you can make your hole before he comes back and finishes off the dumpstering.

(PS: I didn't know the correct answer, stop attributing me that ****.)

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

ilammy
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2012-07-13 13:24:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ilammy
Andy Landen wrote:
And even if a cap could survive a single DD, there ain't no way it could survive two DD's, thus doing little for the argument that caps can survive the first wave of a sufficiently large Titan fleet volley.
If the enemy fields two-three times more titans that your fielded regular capital count, you're doing your enemy selection wrong.

Two random DDs – of course not (or with 3% hull remaining). Two determined damage types – fit 2 + 2 hardeners and LG slaves and you're here. Want to cheat death – pay the price. If you're lucky with overheating, you even can tank 3 of them. But considering titans' scanres, you're sure to be lucky, so may not even need the slaveset.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#99 - 2012-07-13 14:15:44 UTC
OP has never flown a cap outside of anomaly ratting and/or moving things, c/d
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#100 - 2012-07-13 15:13:15 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Andy Landen wrote:
PS: Grath, you sound like your claiming to be a Titan pilot. If the wikis are wrong, and EFT is wrong, and everyone that is posting all over the internet is wrong about the DD damage, why are you still failing to provide the "correct" answer? .. So I am even looking at the Judgement DD in game and it says EM damage: 2 mil HP. So, if your are a true Titan engineer, and I am a theoretical Titan engineer, it seems that you should just hand over your Titan to me. Too bad I don't have the skills to fly it or I would be x bil ISK richer right now. Oooh, so owned Grath, ooh, boo yah [doing the "owned you" dance] Who's the fool now, Grathboy, et all? I really hope that all Titan pilots know the real damage of their DD's before jumping into their Titan. lol. Seriously, you are trying to counter my ideas with an issue that is only barely related to the main topic of this thread, even though I am right. I am pretty sure that I just schooled you to deep humility .. swallow hard.

The reason he's "not providing the correct answer" is because it lets mouthbreathers like you shoot yourselves in the face.

Like you did.

Or because he didn't know it. If his case was that T1 caps can survive a single DD, an increase in damage to 3 mil HP damage only hurts his case. And even if a cap could survive a single DD, there ain't no way it could survive two DD's, thus doing little for the argument that caps can survive the first wave of a sufficiently large Titan fleet volley. So while I was unaware of the Doomsday damage increase of 10% per level, I was right on the damage being at least and at base 2 mil, and I was right about the capitals being easily alpha'd by Doomsdays Devices. And I was right about the damage having little to do with my ideas and therefore not challenging them in the slightest manner. At least Lord Zim knows the correct answer and that after skills, the DD is 50% more damage (2 mil HP turns into 3 mil HP).


I...

I'm actually stunned that you're taking this approach.


Ok, so lets back up top basic game mechanics before we get into something quite as complex as Titans and DD's.


How is damage applied in EVE? It sounds silly but I'm asking anyway. Lets for instance, take and Archon, and assume it has a standard t2 fit, and trimarks. How many hit points does it have, and say its my Erebus firing at it, which has titan 5 and Doomsday 5. How many points of damage will it take, and how many hit points did it start with, assuming its in fleet and has Legion bonuses?


Now, while you mull it all over I'll spit some nerd math out here that even a simple man such as yourself can follow. In this configuration the Archon has 3.4 million hit points, so right out of the box, we see that even if it had 0 Thermal resistance, it would still have over 400,000 hp left after a single DD, but thats not the case.

You see the Archon actually rides with 88% Thermal resistance and so of that initial 3 million hit point volley 2,640,00. will be outright absorbed and deflected by the stout tank on said Archon.

So whats the final tally on its actual damage taken from a DD? (its around 400k points, I'll let you figure out exactly how many DD"s a single gang bonuses archon can tank but just to give you a heads up its a lot).

Are we good here or do you need more of a chance to show off how smart you're not?

Do we need to keep doing this or are you satisfied that you know jack **** about what you're talking about here

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.