Warfare & Tactics

haha, anyway. ohh sorry about the block of text and spelling mistakes and everything else.

What I want to talk about here is why amarr are crying, I think if we study their tears we can find the root problem and it's obvious, ccp are so awesome they nearly got it right regarding faction warfare, they would be more awesome if they sorted my petition out dammit.

amarr needs to work together and unfortunately the fragmentation of amarr is a sad one, they have no great leaders that are capable of pulling themselves out of this whole, they're too busy whining about what's wrong, they need to get it into their head we beat them fair and square for one thing, they were too lazy and fragmented, not the right leaders, their leaders were more interested in looking at stations, the wallpaper doesn't change if you stare at it eh.

Back on topic

Solution

No one can argue factional warfare is broken to a certain degree, all ccp really have to do is alter a few numbers, so amarr will stop crying and give them the drive they need and ambition to conquer, it's obvious to me now, ccp don't need to break into a sweat trying to write more code and break things even further.

This is my solution.

Just change the negative impact on the losing side, the negative should be capped at (I don't know the percentage I was never good at maths) for instance the Apocalypse Navy issue should be capped around 300 350 or even 400 loyalty points, I'm not sure what the percentage is and benefits for the opposing side should be less a bit to stop flooding of market, eventually more people well join militia and then the fun begins.

That's basically it, the whole reason amarr have these tears is because their loyalty points are worthless, get the numbers right and then you have one awesome factional warfare. Don't try and mend what's not broken, just hit it with a hammer.

On a side note.

Not being able to dock in your mission systems if the opposing militia have taken that said system, I think these systems need to have some kind of quicker flip time or even be immune to the unable to dock mechanism, everyone needs to make isk, to cut Farming down you would need to lower the lp gain for factional warfare missions, just below the games you would get for plxing, farmers will need to fight. Ading to the roundtable thing that the lovely voiced Susan Black said about having the warp-in closer to the buttom is a fantastic idea for fast paced fights, around 20k from the button would make for some fantastic factional warfare fights, the ones you remember for a while, I remember a lot of my fleet commanding regarding plxing, oh what fun memories, and I know for a fact other people remember still, the former big-me-up comment gives me great insight into the way militia runs.

Another side note

If you're thinking about rewards for defensive plxing then I would think about lowering the reward for offensive a tad and then defensive would be just under the reward for offensive, this is to cut down on farming again but farmers give us extra targets to shoot so we don't really want to eradicate them, I have a combine harvester at the ready for anyone interested in farming.

Conclusion,

although I have many other side notes but my speech recognition software is screaming at me.

What we need is a fun militia, and the changes I propose would go a long way with less effort I think, we want ccp to go work on dust or go get their hair cut because some of them quite frankly need it.



CEO Commander nasty1 o7

Yeah we are shedding tears.

However, it's not due to Minmitar being able to take a major in a frigate whilst the Amarr needed a BC.

It's not due to CCP lowering the standings to 0 which allowed every carebear and his dog into Minmitar to flood the market.

It isn't down to the geography of our front.

It's clearly down to use to just put up with these horrendous imbalances that have locked us out of agents and made our LP worse than high sec stores. You are right, someone should just come along and lead us out of this.....till he went to bed and the gunless rifter brigade would swarm out.

Had the Minmitar won this war in a balanced environment then it would be a thing to applaud. Chest beating on the fourms about how awesome you all are (despite it being the farmers who did it all) just makes you all look foolish.

Ever since the allowing alliances in militia I have noticed a fragmentation of both amarr and mini militia, especially amarr, it's very interesting watching what happens when changes come about, the great leaders of amarr, and I do mean great will be remembered fondly, they were mainly into PVP,.

The different races in eve attract different people, different mindsets, different ways, amarr was once a great militia and they still can be, no good blaming the downfall of amarr on game mechanics, I didn't hear you crying before the patch, amarr suffered from the Alliance thing, mini bounced back from this and had the right leaders with the right mindset

I love amarr and thought for a second or two about joining you and showing you how it's done, seriously, I would be stoned to death though by mini and would never be able to eat a pork pie without having a guilty conscience.

1. Unite amarr again, persuade the fantastic corporations that have left amarr to come back, appoint several key people, if the changes go through that I suggest which would make far more sense then rewriting code, you will have something to fight for.

2. It takes effort and organisation, unite your whole great militia, it was once beaming and can be again.

I'm not going to tell you exactly how you should go about turning the tide, it's obvious with effort and unity, every mini wants you to bounce back, become great again, become that leading force that so many of us mini's liked fighting.

For all of those corporations that left amarr.

Basically you left because you were losing, isk wasn't the problem, you left a sinking ship, the people still in amarr need to be congratulated and I salute you for you are better than the cowards that left and now go fight and prove amarr are superior.

Looking forward to the time mini are losing the battle against a superior amarr militia again, soooo we can spank you forever and then some

amarr o7

I agree that I get more fights more quickly in plexes than we did before the above changes. But I think this is more due to more active pilots than much of what you mentioned.

Consider each change you mention:

-Plexing can be done other than at downtime. Ok this just extended the times that you can effectively plex. So yes this lead to more pvp in plexes because it extended the time we can effectively plex. However, its pretty weak argument. By this logic we could argue that ccp removing the remaining 20 minute downtime adds time that we can pvp in plexes, and therefore removing downtime would make plexing more pvp focused.

-Ewar removal yeah that is something that might make it more pvp focused. I really don't know if they did that though. Just the other day I was getting target painted in a minor plex. So I am not sure if they actually changed this.

-Plexing gave no reward. Now this I don't think made plexing more pvp focused at all. I think this may have actually driven people to pursue the most efficient way to plex - pve.

Like I said in a different thread. If I have an hour to play eve I have to make a choice. I can either run 6 minor plexes in minmatar back waters and likely see little or no pvp. Or I can look for pvp and maybe knock out 2 minor plexes. As long as this is the way the game is set up then its broken for those who want pvp.

I will often not even finish a 10 minute plex if I see wts leave system. Because I know I have little chance that anyone will show up. If I knew the minmatar militia was notified of my precence I would stay and finish my plex. Eiether that or I would look at the notifications myself and go defend plexes they are trying to take.

We were faced with the same station lockdowns, we were faced with everything you were faced with, we are not known for our organisation, amarr are well-known for their organisation, I noticed a drop in amarr organisation, mainly because alliances were keeping to themselves and then they slowly worsened and then the fragmentation was apparent when the patch hit, just my opinions and am going a bit on assumption and what Skippy tells me.

Of course I have a spy, he named Skippy the kangaroo, he told me once he saw amarr ship on fire, .. What's that Skippy, are you saying a bunch of amarr are huddled around the ship crying to put the flames out.

No you did not have the same station lockdowns you actually have the opposite. If a system is owned by amarr then you can't dock if a system is owned by minmatar then we can't dock.



We were busy moving our stuff or dropping out of amarr so we wouldn't have to move stuff from all over the war zone. At the time lockouts became clear amarr had very few sytems. Even if we had as many people wanting to do pve/plexing as minmatar, it would be unclear we could take systems when there was a known bug that ccp decided not to fix before inferno. But either way we apparently aren't as interested in plexing/pve as you guys so we moved.


Maybe you think this is dirty amarrian lies and CCP changing the rules had nothing to do with the huge shakeup. Maybe you think its a coincidence that all our leaders suddenly forgot how to lead and all our organizers suddenly forgot how to organize when ccp changed the rules. IDK.

Like you noted in another thread, it's really "adapt or die or quit." When I read this, this "Welcome to Amarr militia! The first thing you need to do is get a Minmatar alt!", I think... I should get another level of Infomorph Psychology, so that I can get a fourth jump clone into Stain. Yeah. Maybe put it near the Period Basis entrance so that I can harass TEST.

Sorry for shitting on so many FW threads, everyone, especially WBR. I'm out.

Zarnak Wulf



I have no idea why your upset for, did I blow up your ship or something, quite possible lol crocodile tears as my SUB-director likes to say, whatever I've done I do apologise, I do lol

Cearain



I meant before the patch we faced the same as you, the differences we did something about it

sYnc Vir

let me start by saying thank you for helping us

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I'm just stating the obvious, I want amarr back the way it was, before you started crying about stuff, I'm not going to keep replying, I've said my piece, although it's funny how people react

No CCP wouldn't reset it because

a) It would be breaking the hell out of the sandbox
b) Everyone without tech in NULL would scream for a sov reset after any TECH rebalance using the FW reset as a precedent.
c) most importantly a really really bad idea