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Airto TLA
Acorn's Wonder Bars
#1 - 2012-07-11 13:41:50 UTC
I have been trying to invent purifiers (Amarr SB) with a decryptor and recently and I have a rather long failure streak, it seems to go back to about 3-4 days ago, anyone else having problems.

Before some lnucklehead jumps in with random is random, I know. THat is why I am asking if the rest of the universe is having the same issues, because I am still in the realm of improbable not nearly impossible. I also know programmers everyonce in awhile update a table get lazy and put the decimal in the wrong place.

I am not having problems with other stuff they seem to be hitting around the right rate.

Thanks in advance.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-07-11 15:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: shar'ra matcevsovski
which decryptors (chance %) are you using?
what lvl do you have amarian encryption methods, amarian starship eng., mech. eng, trained?
are you adding inquisitors to your invention?

I am not inventing purifiers (and if I prob wouldn't use decryptors), but im not noticing any unusual high fail rates with other ships. As you said, it is possible that there is a coding/formula issue but I think the chance for that is very low. Get some more empirial data for at least 3-4 more runs and see if the result is way below the result that you should have. subjective feelings about the success rate ore often worse than the result actually is.

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Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-07-11 16:47:30 UTC
my advice...

use single run copies and dont use a decryptor

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Airto TLA
Acorn's Wonder Bars
#4 - 2012-07-11 17:17:38 UTC
Shar they are sacred manifestos and they give a 0% modifier to chance, and yes I have done this before and been sucessful many times.


Skipper my spreadsheet disagrees with you, and says your a dummy (its not me its the spreadsheet blame it).


Thank for the input both of you though, I was sort of hoping someone would either say "hey I have been using encryptors with frig invents and I am on a bad streak as well" or "Your nuts, I went 5 for 6 this morning".

I am just a little leery of keeping dumpings encryptors, datacores and research slots into a zero chance proposal.

I guess I will report back when the next four flip in a few hours.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-07-11 17:50:59 UTC
just get like 60 results together, when its a lot less than 20 successfull ones it is indeed strange(given that you have all the required skills at 4),if its a lot less than 20 on a second run its worth even sending a petition, imho.

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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#6 - 2012-07-11 18:49:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
just get like 60 results together, when its a lot less than 20 successfull ones it is indeed strange(given that you have all the required skills at 4),if its a lot less than 20 on a second run its worth even sending a petition, imho.


Petition because chance is too chance like? You truly are -snip- The only thing you should petition regarding T2 BP's is for the removal of the T2BPO's so that everyone has the pain of the invention process.

Personal attack edited.

ISD Tyrozan
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#7 - 2012-07-11 19:06:35 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
just get like 60 results together, when its a lot less than 20 successfull ones it is indeed strange(given that you have all the required skills at 4),if its a lot less than 20 on a second run its worth even sending a petition, imho.


Petition because chance is too chance like? You truly are a dumb douche, do you know that? The only thing you should petition regarding T2 BP's is for the removal of the T2BPO's so that everyone has the pain of the invention process.

You know everyone ignores you now right?

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shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-07-11 19:52:28 UTC  |  Edited by: shar'ra matcevsovski
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
just get like 60 results together, when its a lot less than 20 successfull ones it is indeed strange(given that you have all the required skills at 4),if its a lot less than 20 on a second run its worth even sending a petition, imho.


Petition because chance is too chance like? You truly are a dumb douche, do you know that? The only thing you should petition regarding T2 BP's is for the removal of the T2BPO's so that everyone has the pain of the invention process.


constructive, helpfull and polite, as always brewly

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Ginger Barbarella
#9 - 2012-07-11 21:21:23 UTC
1) Chruker's Invention Chance calculator
2) Get the associated skills up to AT LEAST L4 on each skill; if you're doing ships do your best to get them to L5 to maximize your efforts.
3) Quit wasting decryptors until you have skills at a point where you stand a good shot as success.

ps: Ignore the trolls with "you've only done it 100million times?? Well, that's not enough for a baseline! lrn2eve!!"

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-07-11 21:50:41 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:

2) Get the associated skills up to AT LEAST L4 on each skill; if you're doing ships do your best to get them to L5 to maximize your efforts.


tbh. lvl 5 invention skills are not worth it unless its the last thing u ever want to do with the char. It should make more sense to put these xtra SP into a another char.


He is not asking what his theoretical chances are, he is wondering why these chances dont seem to match with his acutall results.


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Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-07-11 22:10:25 UTC
Until the past weekend, I was getting 100% success rate making T2 frigates (8 for 8), and this week I have had 100% failures (0 for 4). I suspect something was broken one way and has since been broken a different way. Doing the math, there is a 24% chance of getting this week's results and about 0.01% chance of getting the past week's results.
Airto TLA
Acorn's Wonder Bars
#12 - 2012-07-11 22:22:45 UTC
Thank you again all for your replies even the glaringly offpoint ones, I got my answer I hit 2/4 on the next batch so I was just in a bad rut. The main reason why I was concerned the cost in decryptors, data cores and the value of the research slot on the charater (I can rake through a dozen module invents in the time of one frig) make me a little parnoid. Not sure how the Maurauder, Jump Freighter, and BLack Ops inventors do not throw there computers out the window during bad strings of runs.

I think the my standard probability rule fell into place, the odds of something suceeding are inversly proportional to the benefit I gain from it. So I was seeing a chance to profit from a bubble close and got frustrated.

TO a few others:

I DO have mostly level 4 invent skills in anything I mess with.

I use the wonderful IPH to double check my assumptions and only use decryptors if the math show I end up a head.

A few things you may not know - Decryptors with run bonuses now add those runs EVEN ON SINGLE RUN COPIES.

Another fun fact about added run decryptors they are very useful if you are chokepoint is invention.

GL all sorry my parania spawned this OMG CCP BROKE INVENTION THREAD >>>>>>>