EVE General Discussion

Hey guys, it's me again - the fruity Kingpin.

So I was exercising today and I got all sweaty from biking in the sun and doing small exercises that get your heart going real fast (dumbbell flys, pushups, etc). I stepped into the shower and simultaneously ahh'd and ooh'd as the cold water covered my skin and took away all of that protective shell of warm sweat from my body. During this moment, I realized something.

Something special. Something awesome and unfathomable...

I realized that CONCORD probably doesn't like rats, right? And all of those "rats" are pirates. In pirate ships.

In this way, why are pirate ships allowed in high security space!? Wouldn't a CONCORD pilot's blood pressure increase as he sees that a pirate ship uncloaked next to a high security jumpgate (or is it warpgate...)? I would think so. Allow me to clarify: I am addressing CAPSULEER USAGE of PIRATE STUFF including SHIPS, MODULES, and AMMO.

Now don't be ridiculous. I, a fruit, am capable of looking at this realization from both sides. So I'll just list why pirate ships would be allowed in highsec space and why pirate ships would not be allowed in highsec space.

Why would they be allowed in highsec space?

- I would say a CONCORD pilot is able to lock onto a ship and identify the pilot and determine whether he is a pirate or not. This must be true due to security status affecting whether a CONCORD ship will go after someone or not.
- Another reason would be that there's a lot of pirate rats floating around in highsec space.

Why would they not be allowed in highsec space?

- Maybe CONCORD just doesn't like pirate ships at all. They don't want you to be associated with pirates or their products. This would include some sort of a "counterfeit" or smuggling flag for carrying pirate ammo, modules, or ships.
- According to the pirate rat floating around in highsec space thing, they do not appear at gates. So maybe they jump through into some highsec system and evades CONCORD. CONCORD probably suck at probing anyway so the rats are free forever in their complexes and asteroid belts. This is also supported by the fact that pirates rats do appear at gates in lowsec and nullsec (but not highsec - so the difference means something).

I mean, for me I don't really care either way but I thought this would be an interesting topic. It isn't one I have seen before so this is Original Content. I, the fruity Kingpin, will always deliver Original Content to you, the reader.

Gameplay changes need a reason.

This has no reason beyond half baked quasi-RP idea.

Removing the ability of people to fly pirate ships in highsec makes nobody at all happy.


Highsec people don't get to fly their uber pimpships.

Nullsec people don't get to sell said uber pimp ships to the people who buy most of said ships, driving down the price of their ship BPC loot drops.

And lowsec? **** em, nobody cares about them and it wouldn't change things much for them anyway.

Concord receives more income from shooting capsuleers that break the occasional law than from shooting pirates that pose a major threat to any that cross their path... thus explaining why you never see Concord ratting in a belt or doing combat missions.

I tried to think of a real-life analogy to show why this isn't really a good idea but all I could come up with how being an upstanding American citizen would allow you to bring in Cuban cigars (when it's illegal in the US due to a trade embargo JFK signed). But that doesn't work either because I don't think CONCORD controls or even taxes the actual EVE market so there's no embargo or anything anywhere.

But I guess if CONCORD is willing to "let us slide" because we're capsuleers then I guess I'm fine with that justification. It also makes capsuleers more prominent than we already are, too.



Highsec people have T3 SCs and faction battleships!

I admit the price would fall off since it would be harder for nullsec people to sell them.

Lowsec is not to be ignored nowadays. Lowsec has been very active due to FW changes. Of course, just like nullsec, there are a lot of dead lowsec systems but the FW ones are very much active - some more than others.



Secret star gates or not, I'm talking about capsuleers flying pirate ships, not the actual pirates themselves.

Does that mean capsuleers are vigilantes? I realize CONCORD is not *exactly* space police so maybe we are the police itself? If so, then I guess we can use anything we want as long as we get the job done.

I'm pretty sure you get shot at by CONCORD if you fly around with a low enough security status in a high enough security status system.

Honestly, only Sansha and some Blood Raider ships are piratey. The rest are just paint job variants. Even angels are based off of Jovian hulls, supposedly.

I think you misunderstood what I meant. This is partly my fault as well for not clarifying it well enough. I meant pirates would jump in through a normal jumpgate (the ones we all use) but CONCORD would not act quick enough to kill them at the jumpgate. Thus, they warp off and evade CONCORD instead of using a secret jump bridge or star gate as you mentioned (though this is plausible...). If they hanged out at the jumpgates we all use they would be popped by CONCORD (supposedly, at least I like to believe so). That's what I meant.

Guristas and non-frigate Serpentis hulls are just paint job varients. Angel Cartel ships have their own hulls; the Daredevil (Serpentis frigate) has its own hull.

Its the sec status that makes no sense, not the ship.

I live in a city with lots of locks. They don't let pirate ships in the locks. It makes no sense for concord to allow pirates to use jumpgates.

And wow, would w-space and wormholes be FUN if they fixed that.

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