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Pipa Porto
#141 - 2012-07-11 09:23:49 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Sov is not tied to moons. It's tied to big honking structures. We were trying to brainstorm ideas for how to move away from those structures, something you could have picked up on by reading the the posts since your last post.

Yeah instead of POS, it's now SBU, TCU, IHUB and Station.

Are there other structures involved in sov? There's like 5 timers you have to go through to take sov, or is it 6, or more than that?

You have to SBU, then shoot station and IHub (multiple timers) and then the TCU (more timers). Any other steps?


If they're clever, they might SBU their own system, so you have to kill those SBUs before you can put up your own.

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-RubyPorto
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2012-07-11 09:29:39 UTC
And if they start to, or prepare to shoot the SBUs, just unanchor and reanchor them. Voila another time extension.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

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Pipa Porto
#143 - 2012-07-11 09:33:15 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
And if they start to, or prepare to shoot the SBUs, just unanchor and reanchor them. Voila another time extension.


And you were complaining about RFing your own POS with its guns? Twisted

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-RubyPorto
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2012-07-11 09:36:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Degren
Hedion's oracle wrote:
Mention TEC and Goons come outta the woodwork. TEC nerf you say? Not happening. Only thing CCP understands it seems is massive Unsub threats and thats not far off the way things are going it seems.


There are 9000 of them. 7000 TEST folks. Both with founding corps from a sort of forum out of game.

We post a lot.

Mention anything stupid, like the OPs idea, and you're going to get responses from some of us.

That was your one and only free pass. Try not to let your stupid show next time.

Hello, hello again.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2012-07-11 09:36:58 UTC
The SBU trick is also filled with cockfaggotry, but at least that's just a 1 hour extension (I believe), unlike the POS trick.

It's still a dumb mechanic which should never have been in there. I mean, seriously, who thought "tell everyone 8 hours in advance when and where the next attack shall be" was a good idea?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#146 - 2012-07-11 09:41:47 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
The SBU trick is also filled with cockfaggotry, but at least that's just a 1 hour extension (I believe), unlike the POS trick.

It's still a dumb mechanic which should never have been in there. I mean, seriously, who thought "tell everyone 8 hours in advance when and where the next attack shall be" was a good idea?

Well timers are usually longer than 8 hours, aren't they?

I remember the most hilarious op though. We sat on a titan for a while. Jumped though, no carriers so scimitars had to rep it the rest of the way.

And then Boat told us to shoot it. Then said stop. The scims repped it a bit more. Ok, now shoot it again.


Yeah, it was reinforcing our own POS. After it came out of RF, guess what? We blew it up because it was a ninjaed-into-place small POS, and we had to put a big one up. Pffttt

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Pipa Porto
#147 - 2012-07-11 09:58:53 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
The SBU trick is also filled with cockfaggotry, but at least that's just a 1 hour extension (I believe), unlike the POS trick.

It's still a dumb mechanic which should never have been in there. I mean, seriously, who thought "tell everyone 8 hours in advance when and where the next attack shall be" was a good idea?


It's a much longer extension if you RF the Sov Brick after SBUing it. Then when they come for the timer, you offline the SBUs and BAM. They have to shoot down your SBUs to put up their own.

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-RubyPorto
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2012-07-11 10:03:45 UTC
I think that generally just works the very first time, the subsequent times are harder to do this with, but true enough.

As I said, it's a dumb mechanic which should never have been in there.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Pipa Porto
#149 - 2012-07-11 10:24:51 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
I think that generally just works the very first time, the subsequent times are harder to do this with, but true enough.

As I said, it's a dumb mechanic which should never have been in there.


Honestly, I think it's fine that the defender gets these little tricks to short circuit or stall an attack. It takes a fair bit of effort to SBU and RF your own system.

I wish the attacker got some tricks like that or ways of exploiting the owner's ineptitude (Didn't most "safe" systems have a room for Ninjaing a system via ninjaing POSes into place? Or am I badly mistaken about the old mechanics?) aside from just hoping for a screwed up timer.

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-RubyPorto
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2012-07-11 11:13:10 UTC
The old system worked on the basis that the guys with the most of the biggest POSes (in the system, not in the game, so you could take a system with a single sov-claiming small POS). Meaning it was up to you to choose how expensive you wanted your space to be.

There's also the whole "only 5 POSes anchorable pr corp or alliance pr day" thing which puts a kind of limit on how quickly you can harden a system, and something about sufficient amounts of constellations in a region being SOV3 meant you had a capital constellation or system (I forget which) which turned into SOV4 where everything not a ship was invulnerable.

Instead, we now have a system where the only difference between systems is whether or not they're cynojammed, and whether or not htey have an ihub, tcu or station online, and if the attacker loses even a single fight, they lose all progress in that system. Progress. :colbert:

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Pipa Porto
#151 - 2012-07-11 11:29:30 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
The old system worked on the basis that the guys with the most of the biggest POSes (in the system, not in the game, so you could take a system with a single sov-claiming small POS). Meaning it was up to you to choose how expensive you wanted your space to be.

There's also the whole "only 5 POSes anchorable pr corp or alliance pr day" thing which puts a kind of limit on how quickly you can harden a system, and something about sufficient amounts of constellations in a region being SOV3 meant you had a capital constellation or system (I forget which) which turned into SOV4 where everything not a ship was invulnerable.

Instead, we now have a system where the only difference between systems is whether or not they're cynojammed, and whether or not htey have an ihub, tcu or station online, and if the attacker loses even a single fight, they lose all progress in that system. Progress. :colbert:


I had forgotten about the 5 POS limit. (Though now that I'm reminded of it, I'm kind of shocked that Alliances didn't keep alt alliances on hand to help take systems).

So, in theory if you got 51% moon coverage in a Sov4 Constellation and could pay the POS bills, you could just sit and tank everyone?

I'm nowhere near as clear about the old mechanics as I'd like to be.

Anyway, I think putting smallish stronted structures on planets has merit. I just want to let defenders keep some tricky stalling tactic and at the same time give attackers some counter (that can, ofc be countered/blocked in turn).

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-RubyPorto
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2012-07-11 13:46:19 UTC


CCP please introduce these probes. They'd definitely help fix the price of tech.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2012-07-11 13:47:42 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
CCP please introduce these probes. They'd definitely help fix the price of tech.

Fix it in our favour, yes. :sun:

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Karadion Kohlar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#154 - 2012-07-11 13:56:43 UTC
I like the idea. On top of our stockpile, OTEC can drive up the prices even further! The OP is a genius for not thinking of the unintended consequence.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2012-07-11 14:00:01 UTC
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
I like the idea. On top of our stockpile, OTEC can drive up the prices even further! The OP is a genius for not thinking of the unintended consequence.

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Unintended consequences is literally the one thing I keep pointing out to 99% of the ideas I comment on here, and they always get pissy about it. It's awesome. :sun:

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#156 - 2012-07-11 15:59:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Marconus Orion
Pipa Porto wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
So anyone change their opinion on anything in this thread or just become more entrenched in their opinion on the matter?


Gonna post anything constructive, or just spout silly one liners about how you're too lazy to read the thread?

I have posted a vast amount of constructive ideas and posts in regards to this subject and related subjects over the last couple years. I am not going to post them all every time a new thread pops up about it.

My question was for those who do not have a hard stance on it. If you don't like that then, well too bad. I hardly care about your opinion or Zim's on if you like what I post or not. I want to hear more from people who do not make a point to saturate every thread on this subject with their opinion on the matter.

So for future reference Pipa Porto and yes, you too Lord Zim - unless you see me quote you or specifically address you with one of my posts, just know I am not talking to you. Have a very nice day now! Big smile
Pipa Porto
#157 - 2012-07-11 19:33:41 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
So anyone change their opinion on anything in this thread or just become more entrenched in their opinion on the matter?


Gonna post anything constructive, or just spout silly one liners about how you're too lazy to read the thread?

I have posted a vast amount of constructive ideas and posts in regards to this subject and related subjects over the last couple years. I am not going to post them all every time a new thread pops up about it.

My question was for those who do not have a hard stance on it. If you don't like that then, well too bad. I hardly care about your opinion or Zim's on if you like what I post or not. I want to hear more from people who do not make a point to saturate every thread on this subject with their opinion on the matter.

So for future reference Pipa Porto and yes, you too Lord Zim - unless you see me quote you or specifically address you with one of my posts, just know I am not talking to you. Have a very nice day now! Big smile


So you're saying that you don't have anything constructive to say, so you're just trolling here. Gotcha.
Nobody cares what you claim to have posted in the past.


Lord Zim wrote:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
I like the idea. On top of our stockpile, OTEC can drive up the prices even further! The OP is a genius for not thinking of the unintended consequence.

OTEC approves of this message.

Unintended consequences is literally the one thing I keep pointing out to 99% of the ideas I comment on here, and they always get pissy about it. It's awesome. :sun:


[puberty]But, Nobody would abuse my badly thought out system for profit, that would be wrong and dishornorable[/puberty]

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-RubyPorto
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#158 - 2012-07-11 19:40:16 UTC
Straw man Pipa. lol
Pipa Porto
#159 - 2012-07-11 19:49:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Marconus Orion wrote:
Straw man Pipa. lol


A Straw Man would be if I tried to twit your position into one you do not hold. You have asserted no position in this thread, so you are immune to Straw Man arguments. So I'm calling you out for not adding anything to the discussion, which is a different thing.

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-RubyPorto
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#160 - 2012-07-11 20:17:02 UTC
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
I like the idea. On top of our stockpile, OTEC can drive up the prices even further! The OP is a genius for not thinking of the unintended consequence.

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NPC alts stopping everyone else's tech and no one knowing what it is.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?