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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#21 - 2012-07-11 18:09:13 UTC
phew, was getting scared for a while there. We haven't had one of 'these' threads in almost 3 weeks.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#22 - 2012-07-11 18:15:24 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Little Brat wrote:
First I love this game and have been playing longer than most. I try to read the forums every other day to keep up with what players are thinking. Everyone says Eve is growing and I would like to believe Eve will be around at least another 10 years. BUT, a chart tracking the all time daily average number of players on the Tranquility server shows a steady decline which alarms me. Please explain how there is growth when fewer characters play daily than ever before? As of this posting, the referenced chart was updated 34 minutes ago. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility


Never ceases to amaze me how people stoutly believe that number of players online is related to number of accounts subscribed.


It never ceases to amaze me how people like you think that has any relevance.

If no one is playing, then no one is playing. Something is wrong with the game. Just because they haven't run out their subs/remaining PLEXes yet is irrelevant. Kinda hard to have fun in an MMO that everyone has stopped logging in to.

Mr Epeen Cool


However, you also need to take into consideration the thousands of accounts that are being banned for botting now, previously this was not as large a factor. I take that back, during "Unholy Rage" we saw a similar dip in numbers active online... but of course it recovered quickly as the effort was not consistantly ongoing.

What was mentioned about many players being online less often due to participation in the DUST beta also has merit.

And, when you get right down to it, no matter how many people are online on the average... if the number of active subscriptions continues to increase (for whatever reason) the game itself is still very sound (financially).

That being said, I do understand your point. I just think all factors need to be considered.

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Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-07-11 18:23:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Rats wrote:
Still believe they have a drop in numbers despite the summer, ppl who have left due to recent events and ppl un subbing alts in protest at recent changes (dumb UI cough cough). We shall see in time though, EVE has had rocky times before and recovered.


Tal



Anyone who quit over the UI change would have quit anyway because if you cannot handle that then there is no hope for you. Same goes for hulkageddon.


Not a case of not being able to handle it, its a case that if something you are doing stops being enjoyable then you won't pay for it. If you do then more fool you.

Some would not quit over the new UI or Hulkageddon but they may let some alts lapse, as the only way you get a message across to any RL corp these days is by affecting the bottom line.

Tal






I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#24 - 2012-07-11 18:37:31 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Little Brat wrote:
First I love this game and have been playing longer than most. I try to read the forums every other day to keep up with what players are thinking. Everyone says Eve is growing and I would like to believe Eve will be around at least another 10 years. BUT, a chart tracking the all time daily average number of players on the Tranquility server shows a steady decline which alarms me. Please explain how there is growth when fewer characters play daily than ever before? As of this posting, the referenced chart was updated 34 minutes ago. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility


Never ceases to amaze me how people stoutly believe that number of players online is related to number of accounts subscribed.


It never ceases to amaze me how people like you think that has any relevance.

If no one is playing, then no one is playing. Something is wrong with the game. Just because they haven't run out their subs/remaining PLEXes yet is irrelevant. Kinda hard to have fun in an MMO that everyone has stopped logging in to.

Mr Epeen Cool


However, you also need to take into consideration the thousands of accounts that are being banned for botting now, previously this was not as large a factor. I take that back, during "Unholy Rage" we saw a similar dip in numbers active online... but of course it recovered quickly as the effort was not consistantly ongoing.

What was mentioned about many players being online less often due to participation in the DUST beta also has merit.

And, when you get right down to it, no matter how many people are online on the average... if the number of active subscriptions continues to increase (for whatever reason) the game itself is still very sound (financially).

That being said, I do understand your point. I just think all factors need to be considered.


True, there are always factors, and to have an objective opinion you need to look at all of them with some unbiased thought.

But then, I am more pragmatic than logical. So when I see a downward trend in players online and the disappointment of many of the forum community with recent changes and look at where it stands now, not where it might stand when other factors are taken into account, I find myself somewhat concerned.

Not concerned about the future of EVE. Or it's financial solvency. I am concerned that I'm seeing less players logging in over time. It might be little summer blip or it might be the pebble that starts an avalanche. I don't know. What I do know is that with less people logging in, there is less interaction, less people destroying and creating stuff and a higher concentration of old vets to new blood. And we know what vets do to noobs in this game, so it will skew even more if CCP doesn't come up with some content or enticement to get the numbers online trending upwards again.

Mr Epeen Cool
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2012-07-11 18:39:33 UTC
summer + new games + ressesion + war on bots = dip.
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-07-11 18:40:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Rats
baltec1 wrote:
summer + new games + ressesion + war on bots + war on non pvp gamers + greifing + unwelcome game changes = dip.


Fixed


Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#27 - 2012-07-11 18:43:26 UTC
Rats wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
summer + new games + ressesion + war on bots = dip.


Fixed


Tal


Fixed it back, dont project your issues on the rest of us thank you

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2012-07-11 18:44:03 UTC
Rats wrote:


Tal


Silly rodent, you don't know what greifing means.
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-07-11 18:48:10 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:


Fixed it back, dont project your issues on the rest of us thank you



Lol my issues hahahahahah, yeah


Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-07-11 18:49:06 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Rats wrote:


Tal


Silly rodent, you don't know what greifing means.


well 2 ot of 3 then Big smile

Tal


I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#31 - 2012-07-11 18:50:44 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Little Brat wrote:
First I love this game and have been playing longer than most. I try to read the forums every other day to keep up with what players are thinking. Everyone says Eve is growing and I would like to believe Eve will be around at least another 10 years. BUT, a chart tracking the all time daily average number of players on the Tranquility server shows a steady decline which alarms me. Please explain how there is growth when fewer characters play daily than ever before? As of this posting, the referenced chart was updated 34 minutes ago. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility


Never ceases to amaze me how people stoutly believe that number of players online is related to number of accounts subscribed.


It never ceases to amaze me how people like you think that has any relevance.

If no one is playing, then no one is playing. Something is wrong with the game. Just because they haven't run out their subs/remaining PLEXes yet is irrelevant. Kinda hard to have fun in an MMO that everyone has stopped logging in to.

Mr Epeen Cool



Um... Your logic is lacking.... For the last 3 weeks, I have logged in only to change training queues, and on one account, not at all because it was over 22 days on the queue. Why... Skyrim dawnstar for the 360.

I have a friend who did the same for longer because of both skyrim and work. I'm back, work is keeping him away for now, but he will return. Normally we log in and play daily.

There are others like us. It's not eve, it's not the new UI, it's not hulkagedon, it's sinply life. Diablo 3, summer vacations, etc. Heck, Finland takes a month off in the summer. So really, who's online is not always an accurate relflection of plans to continue their subscription.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#32 - 2012-07-11 18:52:08 UTC
Rats wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Rats wrote:
Still believe they have a drop in numbers despite the summer, ppl who have left due to recent events and ppl un subbing alts in protest at recent changes (dumb UI cough cough). We shall see in time though, EVE has had rocky times before and recovered.


Tal



Anyone who quit over the UI change would have quit anyway because if you cannot handle that then there is no hope for you. Same goes for hulkageddon.


Not a case of not being able to handle it, its a case that if something you are doing stops being enjoyable then you won't pay for it. If you do then more fool you.

Some would not quit over the new UI or Hulkageddon but they may let some alts lapse, as the only way you get a message across to any RL corp these days is by affecting the bottom line.

Tal








I'm not on board with dragging things to a tree being less enjoyable than dragging things into a box that takes up more room on my screen.

About the only thing the "I'm gunna unsub over it" card gets you now, especially over something so trivial, is amusement from the rest of the community.

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Not Amused Responsible
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-07-11 18:52:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
summer + new games + ressesion + war on bots = dip.




Soon the floor is going to hit you so hard in the face that your'll think its 2003 again and i'll laugh my balls off Lol
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-07-11 18:53:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
You read it backwards.


Yeah that guy fails at making charts. It confused me for a bit too till I looked closer at the dates.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2012-07-11 18:54:10 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
. Why... Skyrim dawnstar for the 360.




Is that worth getting? (PC)
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#36 - 2012-07-11 18:55:03 UTC
Not Amused Responsible wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
summer + new games + ressesion + war on bots = dip.




Soon the floor is going to hit you so hard in the face that your'll think its 2003 again and i'll laugh my balls off Lol


How appropriate, since people have been making the same predictions for exactly that long.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2012-07-11 18:55:13 UTC
Not Amused Responsible wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
summer + new games + ressesion + war on bots = dip.




Soon the floor is going to hit you so hard in the face that your'll think its 2003 again and i'll laugh my balls off Lol


If you want to see a real dip you should have been playing SWG when the NGE hit.
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-07-11 18:59:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
. Why... Skyrim dawnstar for the 360.




Is that worth getting? (PC)



Is it ?

Tal


I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Not Amused Responsible
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-07-11 19:06:10 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Not Amused Responsible wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
summer + new games + ressesion + war on bots = dip.




Soon the floor is going to hit you so hard in the face that your'll think its 2003 again and i'll laugh my balls off Lol


If you want to see a real dip you should have been playing SWG when the NGE hit.



pretentious dribble, this is Eve; its not SWG, not the same Aminal.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2012-07-11 19:10:06 UTC
Not Amused Responsible wrote:



pretentious dribble, this is Eve; its not SWG, not the same Aminal.


No, EVE is in far far better shape than many other MMOs, a lot of them new. WoW has bled what? a million subs in the last year? STO forced to go FTP after its numbers collapsed, TOR bleeding subs at a shocking rate.

Compared to all of these EVE is positivly thriving.