Warfare & Tactics

Can it be used for the ultimate caldari victory?

Yes. Unfortunately unlike iconic flag picture, you would need settle into a image of Amarr/Gallente/Minmatar flags buried in a ton of horse manure with Caldari flag flying on top of the said manure pile....

Why wasn't i informed we had a tool to produces lots of manure.

But yah, i'm still waiting for the huge fix FW needs.

I liked the proposal to eliminate missions. They made sense when they were the only way to get LP. Now they're redundant and contribute nothing to the war effort. They also create LP out of thin air. If FW is going to be self sustaining- there needs to be some scarcity of resources. If you have only six systems in your war zone to plex, or if you have to go 20 jumps to plex, you're going to defend your system upgrades alot more fiercely.

They were all over the place on the panel with missions. There was someone who went off on them as a leftover that didn't fit in with the new system. A few people quite honestly didn't like them. And one person did push for them to be deleted. It wasn't dwelt on for long but the point was made.

Going through the war zone over the past few days you would find mission runners in just about every system in their damn stealth bombers. Some systems were 4-5 jumps from any front. You want them to keep on? It's an all you can eat LP buffet with no risk.

The Minmatar have 65 systems to defend. 80% of them should not be hovering in a handful of systems around Kamela. There are quite a few us offensive plexing down the upgrades in the rear systems. But they don't care because LP grows on trees for them and they can spike war zone control at a whim.

Thanks for an interesting talk. While listening the part about NPCs in the plexes I got an idea that might be worth considering.

How about the NPC loose interest in on ships that are not within capture range - you can make the rats harder and make AFK plexing impossible but as soon as you leave the button they leave you alone. That would leave plexes open for PVP as well.

PVP in plexes does not happen on button range (for the exception of last few seconds), so the rats would not imbalance the fight.

The reason the Minmatar are hovering around Kamela is they like the idea of taking down your last staging systems. Strategically that's the way to win the war. Kourm, Huola etc are vital forward bases for putting pressure on your staging systems. If you wanted to draw minmatar attention away from missioning then you need to organize a serious threat against Kourm that risks locking people out of their ships and equipment in the stations there.

Yeah you are probably right someone may have said that but I wasn't sure if he was serious or just expressing dissatisfaction with people who come to faction war to farm missions.

After thinking about it perhaps it would be a good idea to eliminate missions altogether.

My main concern is that if you do eliminate them then the side with all the systems will then cry for lp for defensive plexing. If ccp does that then this game will just be null sec "farms and fields" garbage.

However, if they removed missions and still didn't give lp for defensive plexing then by winning you would cut most of your sources of income. Which I actually think is ok. That would mean that only the people who contributed to getting you there would be able to cash out at the higher tier! People who pile on the winning side after its winning will gain little. This would definitely help provide more balance that faction war needs.

Instead of everyone joining the winning side the losing side would naturally be the one getting new recruits because your main source of getting lp to cash out is by doing offensive plexing.

The side defending would still have an incentive to keep fighting to hold the systems as long as possible. Because they will make more isk if they have several cashouts based on market changes instead of one big one where they are left to guess. Plus they will still be picking up some lp from systems that are still owned by the losing side and through pvp. But yeah mainly through pvp.

So hopefully they would get a big influx of money and use it to try to fight off the offensive plexers. Instead of waiting for them to finish their offensive plexes and then come out to do a defensive plex after all the wartargets are gone and they can do it without pvp. The smart factions would aim to flip systems in dramatic fashion so they can reach tier 5 instead of always stagnating at tier 3-4.

I am not sure this would work when you can join any of the four militias but I am pretty sure it would.


But anyway if they keep the missions:

The fact that missions don't contribute to sov is a good thing. If they just keep doing missions then the systems will become vulnerable or close to vulnerable. Once we have enough of them vulnerable or close to vulnerable to get to tier 5 then we can start flipping them ourselves. I think this may be how this is intended to work.

That said, missions shouldn't pay more than plexing. It should only be on par with plexing. CCP originally said they were going to make plexing pay better than missions - they did not.


I don't mind that faction war offers some pvp (plexing-or at least it should be pvp) and pve (missions) mechanics. I think they did a good job with the pve - missions. They really just need to tone it a bit. The faction war missions I believe are the best idea for low sec missions that anyone ever came up with. Maybe make it so they get 2/3s the lp or something. Or eliminate them altogether but if you do then do not start giving lp for defensive plexing.

There is an important difference. Plexing helps your miltia maintain its tiers. Missions do not.

Your point about both taking time is correct though and also important. If a side spends time running missions instead of plexing they will lose sovereignty.