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Kinven Nicald
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
#1 - 2012-07-11 14:28:18 UTC
So you're going to be taking part in a 15 man+ free for all last man standing battle, using T1 frigs with T1 fits...
No cloaks
No smart bombs.
No drones.
No faction gear.

You can assume that propulsion jamming mods (scrams etc) will not be needed, as leaving combat area results in disqualification.

What would you use with what kind of fit and why?

All views and discussions welcomed :)

Kinven
Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-07-11 14:43:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Vellen Thoss
Kinven Nicald wrote:
So you're going to be taking part in a 15 man+ free for all last man standing battle, using T1 frigs with T1 fits...
No cloaks
No smart bombs.
No drones.
No faction gear.

You can assume that propulsion jamming mods (scrams etc) will not be needed, as leaving combat area results in disqualification.

What would you use with what kind of fit and why?

All views and discussions welcomed :)

Kinven


#13Posted: 2011.09.16 03:28 | Report
bleeder punisher is quite fun, terribly slow however;


[Punisher PVP]
Damage Control I
Small Armor Repairer I
Adaptive Nano Plating I
Gyrostabilizer I

Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters


Medium Pulse Laser I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency
Medium Pulse Laser I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency
Medium Pulse Laser I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Not sure what Id use for the 2nd Mid
Kalli Brixzat
#3 - 2012-07-11 15:03:44 UTC
Merlin...

Blasters. Ancillary Shield Booster or Small Shield Extender. AB. BCS. Win.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-07-11 15:07:50 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Vellen Thoss wrote:
Kinven Nicald wrote:
So you're going to be taking part in a 15 man+ free for all last man standing battle, using T1 frigs with T1 fits...
No cloaks
No smart bombs.
No drones.
No faction gear.

You can assume that propulsion jamming mods (scrams etc) will not be needed, as leaving combat area results in disqualification.

What would you use with what kind of fit and why?

All views and discussions welcomed :)

Kinven


#13Posted: 2011.09.16 03:28 | Report
bleeder punisher is quite fun, terribly slow however;


[Punisher PVP]
Damage Control I
Small Armor Repairer I
Adaptive Nano Plating I
Gyrostabilizer I

Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters


Medium Pulse Laser I, EMP S
Medium Pulse Laser I, EMP S
Medium Pulse Laser I, EMP S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Not sure what Id use for the 2nd Mid


You got a gyro for these lasers there... and an empty mid.

For ffa, the idea would be to pick a tanky ship with the reputation of a brick, fit accordingly, don't be near anyone at start of match, and let the rest of them kill each other off.

Punisher makes a fine brick, and has the reputation to match. Also look at the Merlin, it has 3 highs and one more low/mid for more tank. It suffers from lack of utility high that's moved down, so you won't have the nos to help run rep with without sacrificing a weapon. Enemy will be out of range of small nos most of the time anyway though.

For RvB's noob frig ffa tournaments, I pick from one of these 2, usually with good results.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-07-11 15:14:08 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
[Rifter, Kiting]
Gyrostabilizer II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script

280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor S
[empty high slot]

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I

Kite them to death

Also are faction frigs aloud? navy?

No Worries
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#6 - 2012-07-11 15:16:40 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
[Rifter, Kiting]
Gyrostabilizer II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script

280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor S
[empty high slot]

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I

Kite them to death



Good build, but they're limited to T1 fits.

Perhaps use similar with T1 Meta 4's? I'd be rather partial to something that sucks them dry a'la vampire and has a hefty tank. Shut them down, survive their piddly splashes of damage against armor, and slowly pick them to pieces.
Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-07-11 15:25:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Vellen Thoss
sabre906 wrote:
Vellen Thoss wrote:
Kinven Nicald wrote:
So you're going to be taking part in a 15 man+ free for all last man standing battle, using T1 frigs with T1 fits...
No cloaks
No smart bombs.
No drones.
No faction gear.

You can assume that propulsion jamming mods (scrams etc) will not be needed, as leaving combat area results in disqualification.

What would you use with what kind of fit and why?

All views and discussions welcomed :)

Kinven


#13Posted: 2011.09.16 03:28 | Report
bleeder punisher is quite fun, terribly slow however;


[Punisher PVP]
Damage Control I
Small Armor Repairer I
Adaptive Nano Plating I
Gyrostabilizer I

Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters


Medium Pulse Laser I, EMP S
Medium Pulse Laser I, EMP S
Medium Pulse Laser I, EMP S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Not sure what Id use for the 2nd Mid


You got a gyro for these lasers there... and an empty mid.

For ffa, the idea would be to pick a tanky ship with the reputation of a brick, fit accordingly, don't be near anyone at start of match, and let the rest of them kill each other off.

Punisher makes a fine brick, and has the reputation to match. Also look at the Merlin, it has 3 highs and one more low/mid for more tank. It suffers from lack of utility high that's moved down, so you won't have the nos to help run rep with without sacrificing a weapon. Enemy will be out of range of small nos most of the time anyway though.

For RvB's noob frig ffa tournaments, I pick from one of these 2, usually with good results.


Woops, I copied it from someone who fit Projectiles, meant to replace it with a HS. And I said I wasnt sure about the other mid yet.

I havent flown a T1 frigate in so long; I'm used to flying a T2 fit Retribution, well, I was until AFs shot up to 30+ mil.
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-07-11 15:31:48 UTC

Prob has a lot of weaknesses

400mm plate and dual rep, stable with cap boosters. no prop mod but 150mm rails have best range and a web to stop any one out tracking your guns. Carry multiple ammo types.

No Drones is a bit of a strange one, not even combat drones?

[Incursus, T1 Tank]
Small Armor Repairer I
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Small Armor Repairer I

Stasis Webifier I
Small Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200
Small Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200

150mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge S

Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-07-11 15:37:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Vellen Thoss
Alticus C Bear wrote:

Prob has a lot of weaknesses

400mm plate and dual rep, stable with cap boosters. no prop mod but 150mm rails have best range and a web to stop any one out tracking your guns. Carry multiple ammo types.

No Drones is a bit of a strange one, not even combat drones?

[Incursus, T1 Tank]
Small Armor Repairer I
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Small Armor Repairer I

Stasis Webifier I
Small Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200
Small Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200

150mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge S

Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I




Not digging this fit, no damage mods and rails with no prop mod. Will be incredibly hard to keep range, be very easy for a blaster or pulse frig to come inside your optimal and pound you, cap stable dual rep or not.

If you insist on keeping rails, drop the dual rep, and APC, add damage mods and drop the web and cap booster for prop mod and tracking computer. In a frig fight though I would fit it as a T1 Enyo with the heaviest blasters you can fit with at least one Mag Stab + 400mm plate, SAR, and an EANM.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-07-11 16:22:29 UTC
CorInaXeraL wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
[Rifter, Kiting]
Gyrostabilizer II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script

280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor S
[empty high slot]

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I

Kite them to death



Good build, but they're limited to T1 fits.

Perhaps use similar with T1 Meta 4's? I'd be rather partial to something that sucks them dry a'la vampire and has a hefty tank. Shut them down, survive their piddly splashes of damage against armor, and slowly pick them to pieces.




This will die in fire. T1 is a big gimp, and Rifters get hit first. I'm assuming there's a boundary, otherwise ppl can go off and come back when everyone else is dead, and the ffa won't work. You can't kite in a boundary with everyone coming after you at the same time.
Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-07-11 16:26:18 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
CorInaXeraL wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
[Rifter, Kiting]
Gyrostabilizer II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script

280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor S
[empty high slot]

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I

Kite them to death



Good build, but they're limited to T1 fits.

Perhaps use similar with T1 Meta 4's? I'd be rather partial to something that sucks them dry a'la vampire and has a hefty tank. Shut them down, survive their piddly splashes of damage against armor, and slowly pick them to pieces.




This will die in fire. T1 is a big gimp, and Rifters get hit first. I'm assuming there's a boundary, otherwise ppl can go off and come back when everyone else is dead, and the ffa won't work. You can't kite in a boundary with everyone coming after you at the same time.



Agreed, better to fit for brawling than kiting/sniper.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#12 - 2012-07-11 16:45:35 UTC
Kinven Nicald wrote:
What would you use with what kind of fit and why?


Something that looks so wimpy everyone wants to kill it last?

Then finish off the last opponent.
Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-07-11 16:47:35 UTC
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Kinven Nicald wrote:
What would you use with what kind of fit and why?


Something that looks so wimpy everyone wants to kill it last?

Then finish off the last opponent.



Logic would dictate that the ship that looks (and would be) so wimpy as to avoid being primaried would not be able to beat the ship that was strong enough to last to the end.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-07-11 17:23:19 UTC
Kalli Brixzat wrote:
Merlin...

Blasters. Ancillary Shield Booster or Small Shield Extender. AB. BCS. Win.



Pretty much this.

Epic DPS and epic tank due to initiate Resistances.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-07-11 18:11:09 UTC
Same here, Merlins have pretty awesome now, Ishkur is another one that seems very good
Punisher deals great dmg and can get a nasty tank, Rifter welp, Rifter is Rifter, all speed and gank paper thin tank, kite your opponents but can also fit a very decent armor tank and still push a very decent dps but the best Rifter is the Hero Rifter, speed/tackle apply some dmg for the KM but let others do the job. Love it.

brb
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#16 - 2012-07-11 18:43:22 UTC
You could also go for the crowd upset...pimp out as best you can a noobship and pwn face. They'll most likely either:

A) Save you for last
B) Kill themselves fighting for an easy kill against you.


If you pull it off, though, bragging rights reign supreme.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#17 - 2012-07-11 20:32:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuehnelt
Wait for the next round of T1 frig buffs, and then:

Quote:
[New Executioner]

Extruded Heat Sink I
Extruded Heat Sink I
Local Hull Conversion Overdrive Injector I

Limited 1MN Afterburner I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50

Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Infrared S
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Infrared S
Dual Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Infrared S
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Small Energy Metastasis Adjuster I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I


Multi | 117dps | 4.3km (only ammo not cap stable: 12min cap life)
Gamma | 107dps | 5.4km
Xray | 97.5dps | 6.5km = neut range
Infrared | 68dps | 10km
Radio | 48.7dps | 14km

All DPS figures on cold guns.

The idea is to dogpile on superior ships, punish anything that tries to get close to you, and reduce enemy DPS with range. Two pulses of the ASB will repair your shields from 0 to full. Speed with the AB is 1393m/s. There is CPU to spare (actually enough for another heat sink), but only 0.25PG is left.

You could also put MWD and beams on this, but...

Quote:
[New Executioner]

Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Extruded Heat Sink I
Extruded Heat Sink I

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Optical Tracking Computer I, Tracking Speed Script
Optical Tracking Computer I, Tracking Speed Script

Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Infrared S
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Infrared S
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I, Infrared S

Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Metastasis Adjuster I


(This still does not track as well as a reasonable Slicer that's using tracking-penalized Scorch, and it does 1/3-1/4th of Slicer DPS.)

The locus rigs allow you to use higher-damaging ammo at a given range; Infrared S do 57dps at 20km. You can't use much of the SAR, and you're cap stable without it at a very low cap%. There's a lot of slack in both CPU and PG. Strategy: stay far away from everything; add your DPS to anything that seems like it'll be able to permatank your DPS if the two of you are the last standing.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Fraternity.
#18 - 2012-07-11 21:28:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Cage Man
Vellen Thoss wrote:
Kinven Nicald wrote:
So you're going to be taking part in a 15 man+ free for all last man standing battle, using T1 frigs with T1 fits...
No cloaks
No smart bombs.
No drones.
No faction gear.

You can assume that propulsion jamming mods (scrams etc) will not be needed, as leaving combat area results in disqualification.

What would you use with what kind of fit and why?

All views and discussions welcomed :)

Kinven


#13Posted: 2011.09.16 03:28 | Report
bleeder punisher is quite fun, terribly slow however;


[Punisher PVP]
Damage Control I
Small Armor Repairer I
Adaptive Nano Plating I
Gyrostabilizer I

Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters


Medium Pulse Laser I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency
Medium Pulse Laser I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency
Medium Pulse Laser I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Not sure what Id use for the 2nd Mid




Gyro's on a laser punisher??

Kalli Brixzat wrote:
Merlin...

Blasters. Ancillary Shield Booster or Small Shield Extender. AB. BCS. Win.


A merlin with BCS ?? I assume you mean Ballistic control system. Merlin can no longer fit launchers.

I would use an AC punisher with a small armor rep. Go check out the RVB kill board, lots of good fits there.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#19 - 2012-07-11 21:47:32 UTC
Griffin, all jammers fitted, armor tank.

pretty sure it will die first unless I delay jamming until 3/4 of ppl are ded.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#20 - 2012-07-12 10:04:09 UTC
[Punisher, Problem officer?]

400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I

Small Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 25
Small Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 25

125mm Gatling AutoCannon I
125mm Gatling AutoCannon I
125mm Gatling AutoCannon I
[Empty High slot]

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I

trollface engage.
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