EVE General Discussion

This would totally work. Its not like anyone has neutral alts. Plus, lets face it, highsec miners are the most useless and laziest people in Eve. They arent going to put the effort in to actually check who they are selling their minerals to.

There are a few problems such plans tend to forget...

Not everyone participates. While some may sell by contract, others will ignore this or see potential to profit more by selling on market.

It's not all about the goons/nul sec. My Indies make a fair amount of t2 mods. I sell in jita because of the speed items sell. I bet a vast majority of my items go to RvB suppliers and other hi sec combatants. (besides what need do nul sec alliance have for t2 small turrets, micro aux cores, and such). Better to sell where I know there is a market.

Npc spawns include hauler ships. In nul, it's possible to get 20 mil trit from a belt rat. Not common, but belt ratting and catching the occassional hauler npc can generate enough materials to build a few ships, so why would goons worry?

The common assumption that goons bot. Yes, I know they say no one in goons does. Even if true, renters, or other entities may, helping them fuel their own indy needs.

Tech...if goons have such isk, no amount of selling to the competition will help if goons can still buy all they need at even inflated prices.


Also, not everyone wants to join some nul alliance. Thus email suggests you have time to just mull around in nul, mining. During my nul stint, we were having constant ctas and such, limiting free time to mine, and if u weren't fighting, u risked being kicked out of corp/alliance. Plus many alliances want all toons in their nul group, preventing u from having hi sec indy toons separate that can make isk or play when not wanting to deal with nul drama.


Sorry, but these ideas, though noble often are not thought through and lead no where.

lol

never gonna happen

the spirit is commendable..I guess...but the complete disregard for basic realities is not

are you kidding me?

i love throwing away rifters like confetti at a wedding if i decide i want to shoot at people. i have much love for small t2 auto cannons!

OK, I will post spoilers on what will happen here.

Let's assume you can get a controlling majority share of highsec miners interested in this proposal (this will never happen ... but lets assume it).

You will quickly find the exclusive market of "nullsec alliances fighting Goonswarm who build all their own assets" is much, much too small to take in all the volume of low end minerals that highsec churns out. You will then be mining and no-one will be buying the ore/minerals.Your ISK/hr is then near to zero.

Cutting off 90%+ of your potential market to spite 5% of your potential market is fundamentally economically unviable. This is all before you even consider the amount of minerals GSF could reap in if they incentivised looting/salvaging among their newer members.

This would be absolutely beautiful if it were possible (although I actually tend to agree with Goons most on these boards, so I wouldn't participate if I were a miner). Unfortunately, the sandbox nature of the game makes Sanctions and Boycotts literally impossible, well boycotts may be possible, but definitely not sanctions.

Since every player can theoretically do anything offered in the game, running a sanction on a group of players for minerals means they just have to train mining (or more likely then not, use their mining alts more often). In the short term, with enough people participating it will have an effect, however, once the players in the sanctioned group train the skills they need, they will be able to recover. In essence you will have forced said group of people to become a little bit more self reliant, instead of having a negative effect on the group.

Too be honest, the only people I could see pulling off legitimate sanctions are those that have access to resources only found in limited sections of space, who also control said space...sound like any group of players we know?

Although, I could be wrong, feel free to correct any assumptions I may have mistakenly made.

Also, it would be hilarious to watch the rest of highsec (mission runners, incursion bears, highsec PVP groups, whatever) start complaining about the fact that everything costs eleven billion ISK, and then start ganking miners to stop them doing this.

Honestly, the best advise you can give miners has already been given, they just refuse to adapt.

This is a way to adapt. And this can set an even playing field. Market PVP on new level. Since I started playing this game I always thought you should be set a blacklist for your market and contract items. Why sell items to those you consider enemies. That catalyst you sold just destroyed the hulk you used to produce it.

It's amazing how mad and stupid people can get, just because someone else is better at the game then them