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Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2012-07-11 11:47:11 UTC
Itt a few people argue that putting things in perspective is a bad thing.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-07-11 11:56:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
March rabbit wrote:
only one slow thing i know: when i repackage lots of ships/containers it gets laggy for few seconds.
That's all.. What?


Opening a corporation hangar.

Before:
Click a button in the station screen.

After:
Open your cargohold (or any other inventory, completely unrelated to the corp hangar).
Wait for the contents to load.
Roll out the tree view.
Wait for the rollout animation. (Before you call me for nitpicking: this animation takes about a second, and the window is unresponsive during it. A second you say? Well, the whole process took less than this with the old inventory.)
Scroll down to the corporation hangar.
Click the corporation hangar label to expand the list of divisions.
Wait for the expanding animation.
Click the division you want to see.


There. Now you know two.
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-07-11 12:02:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
[The inventory system suffers from design issues, which are much more tricky to fix, and they affect one of the most used and most critical systems in the game — something everyone have to deal with unless they only ever use EVE as an IRC client.

Honestly, the most used and most critical systems in the game are the overview window and it's relevant 'childs' (selected objects, targeted objects, fleet window, watchlist and drones). In all their wisdom, CCP chose inventory window instead.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#44 - 2012-07-11 12:03:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Diablo Ex
A thread about an OP crying about forum poaster crying about stuff....... and people are crying about it.... makes me want to cry about that!

Diablo Ex Machina - "I'm not here to fix your problem"
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-07-11 12:03:44 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Tippia wrote:
[The inventory system suffers from design issues, which are much more tricky to fix, and they affect one of the most used and most critical systems in the game — something everyone have to deal with unless they only ever use EVE as an IRC client.

Honestly, the most used and most critical systems in the game are the overview window and it's relevant 'childs' (selected objects, targeted objects, fleet window, watchlist and drones). In all their wisdom, CCP chose inventory window instead.


There are quite a lot of people (and even more characters) who never see the overview in their lifetime.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-07-11 12:07:52 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
I've been playing Eve for a good 6 years now and I have to say this is by far the worst spoiled crying over fresh milk unspilt I have ever seen.

By Amarr I swear some of these pilots would complain if you try to hang them with a rope that wasn't new and the tree thats been dead for a while and grew sorta low.

I diagnose thee with Bitterstone Veteritis. People who think they are bitter vets just becuase something changed on them that challenges the way they where taught to play. A real better vet would rather complain about the FPS drop because of launchers and still demanding a tactical command mode view or complaining about a non related feature impacting thier game play.

There are those with legitimate concerns complains and quite valid disgruntlement that would win them most of new eden if they ever campaign on it but this is getting drowned out over something quite rather silly to complain about.

Remember the old font? Not the one they swapped out last year to allow UI scaling to happen. The one way well before titans floated about, that was declared not 'sci-fi' enough was one reason for its removal. What about the visual D-Scanner that showed all the obecjts in a small minimap in the corner the one that current tactical overlay replaced? What the lot of you need to do is understand, anticipate, and adapt AHEAD of time to all these changes. If you cant manage that do yourself a favor and take a vacation then come back and play again, you will quickly forget the older interface.

This isnt like incarna gate where the feature added no value to the game aside from foundationing for future stuff. This update had end products that are immediably enjoyable added value with only requiring minor tweaks in the future instead of major several expansions worth of overhauls and addiums to fix.

I mean seriously this is almost as silly as the one player I had the displeasure of talking to whining about how the escrow system was better for sending and receiving items and his ignorant refusal to use the new contract system costed him a bet of 100 million isk all because he didnt want to use contracts when I issued him one.

Just because you shot the statue in jita once doesnt mean you are going to be heard again shooting it. At this point nobody is taking you seriously over the UI interface.

Want attention still? Here's a suggestion for a bigger scene blow up the luminare titan that will get attention regardless. Blame the caldari for the software update to the inventory UI.

Either way heres to changing excel spreadsheet in space and changing it to windows in space.

Also I see this being very unlikely reversed, so to make better use of your tears you better start suggestings quick, inuitive, and smarter ways to get something to your liking. like drag and drop a folder in space auto opens a new window without the rest of the tree listed.

BTW I don't see why everyone is saying look at an OS UI for a better understanding. Last time I checked every major OS has the tree function built in and its almost default on all of them. Also like most major OSs out there, Cntl V Cntl A and Shift Drag works rather well.

Those with the foggy crystal ball for fortune telling the future have much more massive issues to complain that would warrent a jita shootout of epic porportios about but for now most of them are making thier hedge bets and hope to come out on top after the dust of when those features are implimented. Those who dont come out on top will definelty be bakc in this fourum whining like a hyena for sure.



I agree wholeheartedly.
Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2012-07-11 12:29:48 UTC
No seriously, OP has got the right of it. You forum whiners really need to get some damn perspective.
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-07-11 12:45:03 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
I've been playing Eve for a good 6 years now and I have to say this is by far the worst spoiled crying over fresh milk unspilt I have ever seen.

By Amarr I swear some of these pilots would complain if you try to hang them with a rope that wasn't new and the tree thats been dead for a while and grew sorta low.

I diagnose thee with Bitterstone Veteritis. People who think they are bitter vets just becuase something changed on them that challenges the way they where taught to play. A real better vet would rather complain about the FPS drop because of launchers and still demanding a tactical command mode view or complaining about a non related feature impacting thier game play.

There are those with legitimate concerns complains and quite valid disgruntlement that would win them most of new eden if they ever campaign on it but this is getting drowned out over something quite rather silly to complain about.

Remember the old font? Not the one they swapped out last year to allow UI scaling to happen. The one way well before titans floated about, that was declared not 'sci-fi' enough was one reason for its removal. What about the visual D-Scanner that showed all the obecjts in a small minimap in the corner the one that current tactical overlay replaced? What the lot of you need to do is understand, anticipate, and adapt AHEAD of time to all these changes. If you cant manage that do yourself a favor and take a vacation then come back and play again, you will quickly forget the older interface.

This isnt like incarna gate where the feature added no value to the game aside from foundationing for future stuff. This update had end products that are immediably enjoyable added value with only requiring minor tweaks in the future instead of major several expansions worth of overhauls and addiums to fix.

I mean seriously this is almost as silly as the one player I had the displeasure of talking to whining about how the escrow system was better for sending and receiving items and his ignorant refusal to use the new contract system costed him a bet of 100 million isk all because he didnt want to use contracts when I issued him one.

Just because you shot the statue in jita once doesnt mean you are going to be heard again shooting it. At this point nobody is taking you seriously over the UI interface.

Want attention still? Here's a suggestion for a bigger scene blow up the luminare titan that will get attention regardless. Blame the caldari for the software update to the inventory UI.

Either way heres to changing excel spreadsheet in space and changing it to windows in space.

Also I see this being very unlikely reversed, so to make better use of your tears you better start suggestings quick, inuitive, and smarter ways to get something to your liking. like drag and drop a folder in space auto opens a new window without the rest of the tree listed.

BTW I don't see why everyone is saying look at an OS UI for a better understanding. Last time I checked every major OS has the tree function built in and its almost default on all of them. Also like most major OSs out there, Cntl V Cntl A and Shift Drag works rather well.

Those with the foggy crystal ball for fortune telling the future have much more massive issues to complain that would warrent a jita shootout of epic porportios about but for now most of them are making thier hedge bets and hope to come out on top after the dust of when those features are implimented. Those who dont come out on top will definelty be bakc in this fourum whining like a hyena for sure.




No been playing for 9 years, give them props when they do great stuff and complain when they don't. The UI they were warned about in testing, I even posted before go live in the testing forum that I felt sorry for the devs for the amount of stick they were going to get.

I pay to play, its not free, I don't mind change, actually I like it as it keeps the game fresh, but if you break something like the UI and go live with it despite the negative feedback from your testers and player base then its an own goal.

Who are you to dictate what is a valid complaint or not. Its all valid to the person complaining.

As for the UI the idea was to get rid of multiple windows (who's bright idea that was I don't know), and what do we have now, yey multiple windows, which are still worse than what we used to have.

0/10 for fail post.

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#49 - 2012-07-11 13:06:07 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
....(Lot's of other good commentary).... Those who dont come out on top will definelty be bakc in this fourum whining like a hyena for sure.


You're quite right Nova. CCP should seriously consider a forum labelled "Daily Whinery" or some such name and move all and any whine posts out of General Discussion in the whine forums. Let the whiners revel and whine in their own forums. Perhaps then "General Discussion" can be just that, discussion, not whine-noughts.

I will admit that I was initally dissapointed with the new UI. It took me all of 2 days to do a 180 dregree on my initial impressions. I love the new UI and the filters are potent. The fact that I can drop a window in space helps a lot, for many things. I love the new UI and the underlying power it gives me to keep a track of my goods, wherever I might be.

o7

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-07-11 13:39:34 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Those who dont come out on top will definelty be bakc in this fourum whining like a hyena for sure.

Buff the Hyena

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
adam smash
Department of Gub'nent Welfare
Harkonnen Federation
#51 - 2012-07-11 14:24:53 UTC
Guy who does not pvp in a pvp game says deal with the UI lol.

Ui sucks anyone who pvps faster than a dead mouse knows this it slows down EVERYTHING you do.
Twulf
Thunder Clap Industry
#52 - 2012-07-11 14:35:07 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Mirime Nolwe wrote:
People cry about anyting atm. With Incarna i agree that something had to be done, but now.. Its just anoying little brats that want everything and anything at the same time.

Does the majority of players are women with PMS?


Maybe more of the wow/tor/sto kids are comming over and we're having to deal with a new brand of immaturity, cluelessness, and undeservings.


Sorry but the EvE Community is a 100% more immature then the wow/tor/sto crowd. They are not even close. The EvE community thinks because they play EvE they are so much better then the "other" gamers which is a joke.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#53 - 2012-07-11 14:54:13 UTC
tl;dr

Just to say that I'm 6yo vet too... and darn clones are getting really expensive.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#54 - 2012-07-11 14:58:48 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Complaining that one of the most important interfaces in the game has lost functionality and been made slower


I don't get this. To me it is just as fast and useable as it used to be, in certain ways even better. Sure there are still a few kinks in the system, but nothing as drastic as people keep drumming on about. I don't use POSes but I've understood their interface has been improved by now.
Mini Mizer
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-07-14 06:40:59 UTC
my 14 year old even liked to play and liked to sort through all the loot but he was like um this totally isn't fun anymore your on your own. half the loot screen is taken up with viewing stuff you don't need to see if your looking at the loot. xtra clicks just mean were going to need to buy a new mouse and keyboard dad.

so maybe there is just an age group that likes it or a specific self flogging type of personality.

but to me it's as useless as a pusfilled zit.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#56 - 2012-07-14 10:45:17 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Slower?
Once I had all my filters setup I am blazing though my daily tasks like a plasma knife though melted butter.

I'm not complaining about the new ui in general. But you should'nt have to "set up" the ui to improve performance. In this case something would indeed be wrong.

Remove standings and insurance.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#57 - 2012-07-14 11:14:57 UTC
We'll soon have to create a bitterforumvet that has grown bitter with the amount of bittervets from the game spewing bitterness on the forums.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#58 - 2012-07-14 16:02:43 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Moore's Law is quickly comming to an end. To the point we see it in sight now on some super experimental computers. Also its every 8 weeks these days not 18 months. Average time until your newest and latestest is out of date is about 2 weeks at most.

Moore's law may well be ending, but the rate of performance increase is not going to change terribly. Except perhaps to slow down somewhat as companies begin to focus more on power consumption, noise levels and heat generation for consumer products.

Nova Fox wrote:
I say the current interation of local not reconizing who is logged in and who isnt is by far the best interation second to local's removal I dont see why you are crying over it. Imagine AFK cloaking a system without using a cloak!? Use a 1 day rookie alt and just log off and go about doing other things on your main.

CCP listens they just dont like the whining uninformative tones to be honest.

Local being removed entirely would require a considerable amount of work, but for what it's worth I quite enjoyed that brief period where local stopped working perfectly. I even made a thread on devaluing local intel that was inspired by it.

That said, this thread's original hatred of player's expressing their dissatisfaction with CCP is IMHO misguided. While I am not one of the vocal "zomg I'm going to shoot a statue" players, I am happy that they exist.

CCP seem to have on a number of occasions done some very silly things, and reading the employee reviews of CCP as an employer this would appear to be a management issue. Negative criticism is often not taken well, or outright ignored, even when provided by concerned employees. Sometimes players kicking up a fuss en masse is simply the best way to get things done.

The UI changes are a perfect example, on release they simply were not ready. The release date should have been pushed back, the criticism should have been listened to. Just because the UI was adequate for you does not mean it did not anger some of us "power users" who triple box etc. and like everything to run smoothly.

The end result has been a considerable improvement on the old UI, although I am still yet to test it's performance when looting and salvaging large numbers of wrecks. But for a considerable amount of time after release I was unable to run wormholes as salvaging and looting became such a PITA.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
adam smash
Department of Gub'nent Welfare
Harkonnen Federation
#59 - 2012-07-14 16:16:37 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
I am not a carebare, just because I suck at killing people doesn't mean I must be doing something every carebaer does. I just cant fund pvp activities at all and If I was a real carebare my corp office wouldnt complain about the lack of payements to keep the office doors open. Also there is more than one way to skin a cat, the damage I've done elsewhere cannot be easily measured... well maybe if you can count the number of killboards and vacant team speak servers no longer in use would be one metric I guess. The problem with skinning cats this way though is that there are no leftovers to scavange though to make money off of and it always costs money to make it happen this way.

I also cannot afford let alone use photoshop, if you want extremly horrible UI adobe photoshop HAS IT. and even If I did I typically don't draw scenery of ships blowing each other up its not my thing I rather concept newer ship designs.

I say the current interation of local not reconizing who is logged in and who isnt is by far the best interation second to local's removal I dont see why you are crying over it. Imagine AFK cloaking a system without using a cloak!? Use a 1 day rookie alt and just log off and go about doing other things on your main.

CCP listens they just dont like the whining uninformative tones to be honest.

Also the sub numbers didn't show a massive despike during incarna and it quickly recovered before the expansion cycle ended.

Also a little blue bird told me that you wheren't the brigest in the family taking everything for surface value and not digging deep enough on how to greif with it.



LOL nice TRY to sound smart... 1 day old alt can't cloak LOL so who gives a **** you do not even understand how AFK cloaking works carebear. No one would care about a 1 day old

Just proving more and more you have NO idea how this game works, you suck at this game... etc etc.

Also lol @ "well XYZ has a bad UI" again who gives a ****... eve HAD A GOOD UI...


DO tell us what do you even do in this game.

Anyone who plays this game... and is not ******** (so that cuts down quite a few)

Could dock and swap ships 5 times faster than now.

Could ninja loot a wreck going 3k (can't pretty much can NOT ninja now)

Could in general loot a wreck 5 times faster if just pressing "loot all" was not an option. 2x if it is.

Could move items around 3x faster.
Boomhaur
#60 - 2012-07-15 04:37:41 UTC
Ben playing this dang old game since 06 dang ol man, big complaint is dangit them old CCP GM fella over there been taking me ol beers before responding. Dan it beer ain't no free dang ol man put in work before dang ol responding big ol mistake am I right. Respond by clickidy clickidy click keyboard than dang ol grab dem beer an were all good. And nother thing dang ol Incarnia sucked ain't no one want to see dang old toon, we just wanna go clickidy clickidy click BOOM pop goes that dang ol ammarian she wan'nt cute anyway. Pirate

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.