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Grats CCP, No armsrace will every be possible vs current tech holders
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Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#401 - 2012-07-11 11:04:48 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
forestwho wrote:
I have explained that somewhere half way this thread.

No, what you've done is assume tech is the reason literally all of soco stopped logging in. It isn't.

Walltreipers Alliance, an alliance of 376 people, have absolutely no tech, yet they're fighting harder for their one system than the 20k of the rest of soco.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/WALLTREIPERS_ALLIANCE
http://walltreipers.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=6075&m=7&y=2012


Those brave internet spaceship samurais.

Cry

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#402 - 2012-07-11 11:06:20 UTC
It's quite refreshing. It actually makes me go all daww and want to cuddle them and treat them well, not shoot them. :shobon:

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Pipa Porto
#403 - 2012-07-11 11:06:49 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
PS: It's not due to tech. This would've happened with or without tech.

I think we all know that the CFC were BFFs with ev0ke and NCdot long before OTEC.


Last I heard NC. is sitting this one out, and Hey, so is ev0ke. So how do they fit into the Delve situation?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Easthir Ravin
Easy Co.
#404 - 2012-07-11 11:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Easthir Ravin
Greetings

All this talk about Tech and fairness is kind of a moot point. Yes some hold all the Tech, and some think it unfair and it needs to change. What you are missing though, is that it doesn't matter what that change is, as you will ultimately complain about it being unfair as well.

I say this because the type of player that bands together to form organizations that can hold all the Tech are the type that will roll with whatever change comes along and make it work in their favor. If you do not think that they most likely have plans for when Tech gets "balanced" you are confused.

Just think though, you have it relatively easy. All you are required to do is change the name of the mechanic you don't like and re-post the same old crap.

vr
East

IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF SOCRATES:  " I drank WHAT?!"
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#405 - 2012-07-11 11:12:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Pipa Porto wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
PS: It's not due to tech. This would've happened with or without tech.

I think we all know that the CFC were BFFs with ev0ke and NCdot long before OTEC.


Last I heard NC. is sitting this one out, and Hey, so is ev0ke. So how do they fit into the Delve situation?

In my version of a "no tech" alternate reality they would be hitting CFC moons in the North now instead of fighting SOLAR in Geminate.

Doubtful if it would have much of an impact on Delve/Querious but it might make a difference with rgds to just how far CFC+HB push the SoCo back.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#406 - 2012-07-11 11:14:40 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Doubtful if it would have much of an impact on Delve/Querious but it might make a difference with rgds to just how far CFC+HB push the SoCo back.

Given the comms porn we're getting out of this? Doubtful. That **** is priceless.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Pipa Porto
#407 - 2012-07-11 11:22:12 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
PS: It's not due to tech. This would've happened with or without tech.

I think we all know that the CFC were BFFs with ev0ke and NCdot long before OTEC.


Last I heard NC. is sitting this one out, and Hey, so is ev0ke. So how do they fit into the Delve situation?

In my version of a "no tech" alternate reality they would be hitting CFC moons in the North now instead of fighting SOLAR in Geminate.

Doubtful if it would have much of an impact on Delve/Querious but it might make a difference with rgds to just how far CFC+HB push the SoCo back.


Why would they be hitting Moons if there were no Tech?

Right now they're fighting SOLAR because SOLAR shot first.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Max50
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#408 - 2012-07-11 11:28:07 UTC
I think people are missing the point when it comes to think of changes from CCP.

CCP will make changes to keep the game running,this doesnt mean that it will actually make the game better for all players.


Anyone remembers the days of NC?How loved they were together...brofist etc?The one day supers got boosted and suddenly the ruskies that had lots of them pull the numbers in subcaps and ofc outnumbered NC's supercaps.NC fell,propably because of the combination of doing over and over the same thing(defending long boring gaming hours etc over and over) and because a few game changes gave the edge to someone else.
Time passes and the game gets static again.Goons try...whatever they try but they get stomped over and over in a boring wall of supercarriers,virtually invicible if you didnt had more supercaps.Then the first supercap rebalancing(nerf for onwers like me,fair balancing for the rest) but again that wasnt enough since the blap titans appeared.
Blap titans made it possible for a single alliance like raiden to defend succesfully against a coalition of alliances.The game became static again since CFC couldnt stand getting blapped on a daily and boring basis so a next new thing should come to change this.So now we have the new "rebalanced" titans.

Although i participated in opposite side of goons,i cannot say that the game isnt changed for good.


Players have 3-4 options:

1)either join the "winning side"

2)start crying more than goons did about everything
3)get organised

4)adapt.


Crying about it isnt an option.Like any mmorpg,EVE has to give the players the carrot to keep the rabbits running behind it.Thats how this game works.CCP chose tech to keep a big part of its memberbase running behind something they think is important.
But the fact is that it isnt important if you dont let it be.Adapt or die i guess.

I use to make ISK by doing lvl4 missions in empire and later ratting plexing in -1.0 systems.I thought that i knew my **** untill i tried lvl5 missions.Doing them propably not only gives more ISK,it gives you a ISK you dont know what to do so you just stop farming.I am not doing wallet show off here,since i am certain some other guy will tell me that he is better than me and makes even more by ...lets say trading.
Always adapt,always look for some new for ISK making,for manufacturing or for PVPing.Its what makes the game interesting.


CFC will die in the future,just like BOB died,just like the ruskie coalition died,just like NC died after so many wars etc etc.

Death of powerblocks is what keeps this game ticking.The problem is what you or me g
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#409 - 2012-07-11 11:33:02 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
Doubtful if it would have much of an impact on Delve/Querious but it might make a difference with rgds to just how far CFC+HB push the SoCo back.

Given the comms **** we're getting out of this? Doubtful. That **** is priceless.

there is no certainty in "What if the Germans had won the battle for Britain"-level speculation.

In my opinion in such a scenario there would have been more pressure on SOLAR to get involved (no "we're already helping you by preventing NCdot from coming to Delve, so be happy and stfu") and the CFC would at some point have to clean up their home.

As I said I think it might make a difference once you come to the "do we follow into Catch/Stain?" question but if you disagree that's fine.

(posted on my main so you can stop claiming I'm ignorant about the state of Delve)
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#410 - 2012-07-11 11:50:09 UTC
I wasn't claiming you were ignorant about the state of delve, I was just stuck in the "no tech" line of argument. And I would've taken your latest post seriously even if you hadn't posted on "your main", because it does make sense.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#411 - 2012-07-11 11:54:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrey Wartooth
Max50 wrote:
I think people are missing the point when it comes to think of changes from CCP.

CCP will make changes to keep the game running,this doesnt mean that it will actually make the game better for all players.


Anyone remembers the days of NC?How loved they were together...brofist etc?The one day supers got boosted and suddenly the ruskies that had lots of them pull the numbers in subcaps and ofc outnumbered NC's supercaps.NC fell,propably because of the combination of doing over and over the same thing(defending long boring gaming hours etc over and over) and because a few game changes gave the edge to someone else.
Time passes and the game gets static again.Goons try...whatever they try but they get stomped over and over in a boring wall of supercarriers,virtually invicible if you didnt had more supercaps.Then the first supercap rebalancing(nerf for onwers like me,fair balancing for the rest) but again that wasnt enough since the blap titans appeared.
Blap titans made it possible for a single alliance like raiden to defend succesfully against a coalition of alliances.The game became static again since CFC couldnt stand getting blapped on a daily and boring basis so a next new thing should come to change this.So now we have the new "rebalanced" titans.

Although i participated in opposite side of goons,i cannot say that the game isnt changed for good.


Players have 3-4 options:

1)either join the "winning side"

2)start crying more than goons did about everything
3)get organised

4)adapt.


Crying about it isnt an option.Like any mmorpg,EVE has to give the players the carrot to keep the rabbits running behind it.Thats how this game works.CCP chose tech to keep a big part of its memberbase running behind something they think is important.
But the fact is that it isnt important if you dont let it be.Adapt or die i guess.

I use to make ISK by doing lvl4 missions in empire and later ratting plexing in -1.0 systems.I thought that i knew my **** untill i tried lvl5 missions.Doing them propably not only gives more ISK,it gives you a ISK you dont know what to do so you just stop farming.I am not doing wallet show off here,since i am certain some other guy will tell me that he is better than me and makes even more by ...lets say trading.
Always adapt,always look for some new for ISK making,for manufacturing or for PVPing.Its what makes the game interesting.


CFC will die in the future,just like BOB died,just like the ruskie coalition died,just like NC died after so many wars etc etc.

Death of powerblocks is what keeps this game ticking.The problem is what you or me g


The CFC may die like BoB did, maybe, at some far point in the future. But so far Goonswarm has been destroyed a few times and each time we come back far stronger than before.

Edit: Blap titans were almost as game breaking as remote Doomsdays. Perhaps moreso.
forestwho
Doomheim
#412 - 2012-07-11 11:58:41 UTC  |  Edited by: forestwho
Andrey Wartooth wrote:


Edit: Blap titans were almost as game breaking as remote Doomsdays. Perhaps moreso.


Atleast they were getting fixed, ring mining gets introduced in winterpatch prolly november thats alot of tech isk to be bottled up untill that time
Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#413 - 2012-07-11 12:01:32 UTC
forestwho wrote:
Andrey Wartooth wrote:


Edit: Blap titans were almost as game breaking as remote Doomsdays. Perhaps moreso.


Atleast they were getting fixed, ring mining gets introduced in winterpatch prolly november thats alot of tech isk isk to be bottled up untill that time


Ring mining is much much more content heavy than fixing some numbers in the database. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to find out. Personally I'm looking forward to when Ring Mining comes out and isn't broken. (I don't think CCP can get it right the first go around) I know lots and lots of Goons are also looking forward to ring mining as well.

We are all for expanding gameplay, and not at all for limiting it.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#414 - 2012-07-11 12:20:42 UTC
http://soundcloud.com/sindel-pellion/titan

LOL who sang it so I can, throw them some isk. That was hilarios.
Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#415 - 2012-07-11 12:26:23 UTC
Onictus wrote:
http://soundcloud.com/sindel-pellion/titan

LOL who sang it so I can, throw them some isk. That was hilarios.


I'm guessing Sindel Pellion of TEST. I'm glad you are taking losing all your space so well.
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#416 - 2012-07-11 12:30:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
forestwho wrote:


Like i said, i can pull out numbers out my ass aswel, im not saying they are right, im just saying his numbers were more wrong than mine Pirate


This is different to the NC and its colossal income how?


LOL

NC died due to botted and rmted supercarriers that were buffed prior to invasion.

So no NC did't die because grunts mobilized and because of "effort"
Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#417 - 2012-07-11 12:31:44 UTC
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
forestwho wrote:


Like i said, i can pull out numbers out my ass aswel, im not saying they are right, im just saying his numbers were more wrong than mine Pirate


This is different to the NC and its colossal income how?


LOL

NC died due to botted and rmted supercarriers that were buffed prior to invasion.

So no NC did't die because grunts mobilized and because of "effort"


Do you have any evidence of botting and/or RMTing?
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#418 - 2012-07-11 12:33:47 UTC
Andrey Wartooth wrote:
Onictus wrote:
http://soundcloud.com/sindel-pellion/titan

LOL who sang it so I can, throw them some isk. That was hilarios.


I'm guessing Sindel Pellion of TEST. I'm glad you are taking losing all your space so well.



Why so serious?

I'm just a hired gun, on my end, all I need is a target, an FC, and maybe a Titan pilot to get me there and I'm happy, if I'm in SOV space or NPC means no nevermind to me.

I didn't move to null to build outposts and fuel POS's.
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#419 - 2012-07-11 12:35:48 UTC
Andrey Wartooth wrote:
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
forestwho wrote:


Like i said, i can pull out numbers out my ass aswel, im not saying they are right, im just saying his numbers were more wrong than mine Pirate


This is different to the NC and its colossal income how?


LOL

NC died due to botted and rmted supercarriers that were buffed prior to invasion.

So no NC did't die because grunts mobilized and because of "effort"


Do you have any evidence of botting and/or RMTing?


Yes there were a lot of documented cases of botes in drone region, that belonged to the solar fleet and their pets.
Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#420 - 2012-07-11 12:42:59 UTC
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:
Andrey Wartooth wrote:
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
forestwho wrote:


Like i said, i can pull out numbers out my ass aswel, im not saying they are right, im just saying his numbers were more wrong than mine Pirate


This is different to the NC and its colossal income how?


LOL

NC died due to botted and rmted supercarriers that were buffed prior to invasion.

So no NC did't die because grunts mobilized and because of "effort"


Do you have any evidence of botting and/or RMTing?


Yes there were a lot of documented cases of botes in drone region, that belonged to the solar fleet and their pets.


Uh, you do know that Solar was not part of the NC right? They were actually part o the -A- Wagon back then and were fighting against the NC.