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Grats CCP, No armsrace will every be possible vs current tech holders
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#381 - 2012-07-11 10:34:00 UTC
forestwho wrote:

Goon win eve and alot of ppl quit eve. Not my loss rly as i pay with plex anyway. I wonder if CCP would care about this as much as they care about forcing eve being Barby-Online about a year ago....


They care about as much as when the NC was king of 0.0 and all those other impossible to kill superpowers that are no more.
forestwho
Doomheim
#382 - 2012-07-11 10:37:39 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
TL;DR

Goons and pals control all the tech, and I can't be arsed to do anything about it.

Want that tech? take it, just like they did. :effort: :teamwork: Evil



Stop talking out of your ass.... what a stupid quote... when goons have 9000 players, have been established alot longer, make trillions of isk per month. Then what shall the OP go and suddenly recruit 9000 good players out of thin air? and offer them nothing as he has nothing?

You sir are stupid, and i dont usually post, but comments like this annoy the hell outta me.

Even the strong NC., Evoke, PL cant even do it and they are some of the best pvp alliances in eve, how do you expect some random to do it... seriously think about what you say before posting total and utter rubbish.

To the OP, I think alot of people totally agree with you, but CCP continues to do sweet FA, the game has become saturated and people are starting to get a little f*cked off now. But again CCP and Goons seem to be controlling the game. Goons win EVE


There are a lot more people who aren't in the GSF than that are. Assuming every GSF member has 2 accounts and only one character in Goonswarm, 18k accounts are owned by GSF members.

There are 361k active accounts.

That means Goonswarm represents, at the upper limit, 5% of the playerbase (and those are kind of ridiculous assumptions).

Now, another good number is the last QEN snapshot of Character location, which puts 86k Characters in Null. That means that Goonswarm represents about 10% of the Nullsec population.

So you've got 90% of the Nullsec population, and 95+% of the general population to recruit from.

So, I guess my question is: What's your next excuse?


Your doing it wrong, i can pull numbers out my ass too..... 361 active accounts, avarage of 2 accounts = 150k real players. of which 43k in null. of which

9000 = 4500 in GS
7700 = 3850 in Test
2900 = 1500 in Razor
2700 = 1500 in FA
12000= 6000 other random CFC pets (inc you PL)

= 17350 members
lets say for equalness that SoCo has same numbers (which isnt correct due you obvius blobbing them all time)

Than you come out on 34700 ish ppl that are tied up in this war or 80,6% of null sec population. Of the other 20% there are some renters ect blah blah, main thing here is that your talking out you ass with made up numbers... maybe me too but your more wrong than me Pirate

So theres like a rly small pool to recruit from which reflects CCP's butterly effect that more ppl are leaving null sec due the broken game mechanics than they are trying to get people in 0.0 with improved mechanics.

Pipa Porto
#383 - 2012-07-11 10:37:53 UTC
forestwho wrote:


Lord Zim wrote:
forestwho wrote:
Im srry i have to agree with him, i agree with that PL issue, but atleast cfc have the isk to buy it if they woudnt have it (im not saying they do or do not, just saying they have the ability to buy it if its needed)

I can either buy myself one pimpfit nyx on the market, or I can build myself two pimpfit nyxes (and spend 2 months doing so). The open market only has so much capacity, and you will get gauged if you do so.

Money is not the problem, build capacity is..

Build time on a mom 3-4 weeks? In current situation with all the otech friends and gained isk from it its not possible to put any supers in the oven in any SoCo allaince. It would be suicide. This current situation exists due isk gaining from the tech moons. I get your point. All im saying is that it is completly safe to build supers in CFC at the moment while it isnt in SoCo and its caused by the tech isk. It is an exponential thing, it cant be stopped by recruiting more people or buying more supers with isk as the tech income is just sooo redicules high. Next step in this whole process is taking sov preventing SoCo any income. Do you see where im going to? Combine this with the devfleet public image that is existing and i forsee not much member growth this year for eve. Alot of ppl are allready pissed off by this and it will only go downwards. Effecting general eve population and thus everyone...


I thought you claimed that the CFC bought their Supers off the open market.

Anyway, SOCO could have prepared by getting some Supers ready:
"He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared."
Sun Tzu wrote it down 2500 years ago, how did SoCo not figure it out?

It is exactly as safe to build Supers in CFC space as SoCo allows it to be. If SoCo thinks the reason they're losing is the CFC's Super production, they should be out RFing POSes.

So one person with 10b can stop 10 guys with 1b between them? Nope. SoCo could have treated their friends well and taken steps to keep morale high (or not left a tasty looking war going on in Delve Roll), and they'd be doing much better.

As for the "DevFleet" accusation, do you have any evidence to support your insinuations (or even a concrete accusation? At least Jade Constantine provides concrete accusations).

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Pipa Porto
#384 - 2012-07-11 10:41:48 UTC
forestwho wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
TL;DR

Goons and pals control all the tech, and I can't be arsed to do anything about it.

Want that tech? take it, just like they did. :effort: :teamwork: Evil



Stop talking out of your ass.... what a stupid quote... when goons have 9000 players, have been established alot longer, make trillions of isk per month. Then what shall the OP go and suddenly recruit 9000 good players out of thin air? and offer them nothing as he has nothing?

You sir are stupid, and i dont usually post, but comments like this annoy the hell outta me.

Even the strong NC., Evoke, PL cant even do it and they are some of the best pvp alliances in eve, how do you expect some random to do it... seriously think about what you say before posting total and utter rubbish.

To the OP, I think alot of people totally agree with you, but CCP continues to do sweet FA, the game has become saturated and people are starting to get a little f*cked off now. But again CCP and Goons seem to be controlling the game. Goons win EVE


There are a lot more people who aren't in the GSF than that are. Assuming every GSF member has 2 accounts and only one character in Goonswarm, 18k accounts are owned by GSF members.

There are 361k active accounts.

That means Goonswarm represents, at the upper limit, 5% of the playerbase (and those are kind of ridiculous assumptions).

Now, another good number is the last QEN snapshot of Character location, which puts 86k Characters in Null. That means that Goonswarm represents about 10% of the Nullsec population.

So you've got 90% of the Nullsec population, and 95+% of the general population to recruit from.

So, I guess my question is: What's your next excuse?


Your doing it wrong, i can pull numbers out my ass too..... 361 active accounts, avarage of 2 accounts = 150k real players. of which 43k in null. of which

9000 = 4500 in GS
7700 = 3850 in Test
2900 = 1500 in Razor
2700 = 1500 in FA
12000= 6000 other random CFC pets (inc you PL)

= 17350 members
lets say for equalness that SoCo has same numbers (which isnt correct due you obvius blobbing them all time)

Than you come out on 34700 ish ppl that are tied up in this war or 80,6% of null sec population. Of the other 20% there are some renters ect blah blah, main thing here is that your talking out you ass with made up numbers... maybe me too but your more wrong than me Pirate

So theres like a rly small pool to recruit from which reflects CCP's butterly effect that more ppl are leaving null sec due the broken game mechanics than they are trying to get people in 0.0 with improved mechanics.



Since when is 34700k (Roll) 80% of 86k?

You first assume that everyone has 2 characters in Null, then you decline to divide every alliance's numbers by 2 to account for that? Shocked

Try again when you understand how math works.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
forestwho
Doomheim
#385 - 2012-07-11 10:42:48 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
forestwho wrote:
Build time on a mom 3-4 weeks? In current situation with all the otech friends and gained isk from it its not possible to put any supers in the oven in any SoCo allaince. It would be suicide.

This has nothing to do with tech money, and everything to do with soco being a bunch of whinyassed pansies who can't even undock without getting slaughtered to a man.

forestwho wrote:
This current situation exists due isk gaining from the tech moons.

Nope. It exists because -A- is ****. 2 days from "we're going to burn your **** down" to "yipe yipe yipe BACK TO NPC STAIN RUN HIDE AAAAAA". They had the manpower and the hardware to make this a long, interesting and bloody war, yet they just ran away like a beaten dog with its tail between their legs the instant their 3-1 advantage turned into more of a 1-1 "advantage".

That's so pathetic it pegs the pathetic-o-meter.

forestwho wrote:
I get your point. All im saying is that it is completly safe to build supers in CFC at the moment while it isnt in SoCo and its caused by the tech isk.

Nope. The reason it's "completely safe to build supers in CFC" while it "isn't in SoCo" is because SoCo aren't hitting back. Hell, they're not even defending their own ****, all they're doing is throwing away a super or a titan worth of isk a day by undocking T3s into drakes.

forestwho wrote:
It is an exponential thing, it cant be stopped by recruiting more people or buying more supers with isk as the tech income is just sooo redicules high.

Them being **** is what's stopping them from recruiting more people, not the lack of isk. Again, they've lost multiple fleets of T3s, they're not hurting for isk.


You know what this reminds me of, nearly word for word?

The NC.

Where, pray tell, is the NC now?


You repeating your selve over and over, its because of the tech income, the formed OTECH and the increased recruitment (indirect Tech related) which allows CFC to outblob SoCo 4-1... No one will fight you those numbers. Indirect its cause due the whole tech issue.

forestwho
Doomheim
#386 - 2012-07-11 10:44:18 UTC  |  Edited by: forestwho
Pipa Porto wrote:


Since when is 34700k (Roll) 80% of 86k?

You first assume that everyone has 2 characters in Null, then you decline to divide every alliance's numbers by 2 to account for that? Shocked

Try again when you understand how math works.


Because your a noob that cant read, read it again, you may edit your post.... and ask yourselve, whats 43k form 86k....
Pipa Porto
#387 - 2012-07-11 10:45:57 UTC
forestwho wrote:

You repeating your selve over and over, its because of the tech income, the formed OTECH and the increased recruitment (indirect Tech related) which allows CFC to outblob SoCo 4-1... No one will fight you those numbers. Indirect its cause due the whole tech issue.


You still have yet to show how Tech turns into "Players Logging On."

Your big red tinfoil boat/hat keeps sailing in circles.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#388 - 2012-07-11 10:46:02 UTC
forestwho wrote:
i can pull numbers out my ass too..... 361 active accounts, avarage of 2 accounts = 150k real players. of which 43k in null.
Well, you got that first part right. None of those numbers have any connection to reality.

If you're going to do that, why not just claim that Goon outnumbers all of EVE by a factor of 3:1?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#389 - 2012-07-11 10:46:30 UTC
forestwho wrote:
You repeating your selve over and over, its because of the tech income, the formed OTECH and the increased recruitment (indirect Tech related) which allows CFC to outblob SoCo 4-1... No one will fight you those numbers. Indirect its cause due the whole tech issue.

You're repeating the same fallacious arguments, time and time again, I'm smacking down the fallacious arguments with the same facts, time and time again.

SoCo "outblobbed" first by bringing -A- etc and bringing up to 800 people after nulli and red alliance couldn't win every fight against PL and test. We counterescalated and said, in no uncertain terms, that we weren't there for good fights, since you guys obviously weren't either.

Sucks to be you. Have a piece of humble pie and be less awful at coalition-building next time.

PS: It's not due to tech. This would've happened with or without tech.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
forestwho
Doomheim
#390 - 2012-07-11 10:47:29 UTC  |  Edited by: forestwho
Pipa Porto wrote:
forestwho wrote:

You repeating your selve over and over, its because of the tech income, the formed OTECH and the increased recruitment (indirect Tech related) which allows CFC to outblob SoCo 4-1... No one will fight you those numbers. Indirect its cause due the whole tech issue.


You still have yet to show how Tech turns into "Players Logging On."

Your big red tinfoil boat/hat keeps sailing in circles.


The tech holders neutral alts keeps giving answeres that are going in circles, about how the tech income doesnt affect 0.0 situaltion at all....

I dont rly blame you for that, if i had tech moons i probaly would do the same

Tippia wrote:
forestwho wrote:
i can pull numbers out my ass too..... 361 active accounts, avarage of 2 accounts = 150k real players. of which 43k in null.
Well, you got that first part right. None of those numbers have any connection to reality.

If you're going to do that, why not just claim that Goon outnumbers all of EVE by a factor of 3:1?


Like i said, i can pull out numbers out my ass aswel, im not saying they are right, im just saying his numbers were more wrong than mine Pirate
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#391 - 2012-07-11 10:48:07 UTC
forestwho wrote:
Because your a noob that cant read, read it again, you may edit your post.... and ask yourselve, whats 43k form 86k....

Pot, stop calling the kettle black. It's racist.
forestwho wrote:
Stop trolling or i report it and just simply get your posts removed.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#392 - 2012-07-11 10:51:34 UTC
forestwho wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
You still have yet to show how Tech turns into "Players Logging On."
The tech holders neutral alts keeps giving answeres that are going in circles, about how the tech income doesnt affect 0.0 situaltion at all....
…and that still doesn't mean you've shown how tech turns into players logging on.

Quote:
Like i said, i can pull out numbers out my ass aswel
Then don't try to make an argument out of them. His arguments at least had some kind of reasoning behind them (even though the number of active accounts is higher than what he said, last anyone heard, but that only makes his point even stronger).
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#393 - 2012-07-11 10:52:20 UTC
forestwho wrote:


Like i said, i can pull out numbers out my ass aswel, im not saying they are right, im just saying his numbers were more wrong than mine Pirate


This is different to the NC and its colossal income how?
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#394 - 2012-07-11 10:53:00 UTC
I think the headline should read "Coalition of super-friends lead by retired furry married to a beard and a BR with 900 ping triumphs over oppressive southern capitalist war giant".

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#395 - 2012-07-11 10:55:19 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
forestwho wrote:


Like i said, i can pull out numbers out my ass aswel, im not saying they are right, im just saying his numbers were more wrong than mine Pirate


This is different to the NC and its colossal income how?

The NC is dead, Goons are not.

*** Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc. :science:

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
forestwho
Doomheim
#396 - 2012-07-11 10:56:46 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
forestwho wrote:
Because your a noob that cant read, read it again, you may edit your post.... and ask yourselve, whats 43k form 86k....

Pot, stop calling the kettle black. It's racist.
forestwho wrote:
Stop trolling or i report it and just simply get your posts removed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j--tixvta_g&feature=related

Tippia wrote:
and that still doesn't mean you've shown how tech turns into players logging on.

I have explained that somewhere half way this thread.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#397 - 2012-07-11 11:01:39 UTC
forestwho wrote:
I have explained that somewhere half way this thread.
Could you link it?
Pipa Porto
#398 - 2012-07-11 11:02:14 UTC
forestwho wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


Since when is 34700k (Roll) 80% of 86k?

You first assume that everyone has 2 characters in Null, then you decline to divide every alliance's numbers by 2 to account for that? Shocked

Try again when you understand how math works.


Because your a noob that cant read, read it again, you may edit your post.... and ask yourselve, whats 43k form 86k....


Ok, so I misread that because of your terrible ability to estimate the number of people involved. There are enough large alliances playing no part in Delve that your claim that there's only 20% of the population not involved is laughable.

None of the other Alliances you listed are in Goonswarm.
They're allied.
That means you can recruit them away from Goonswarm by convincing them that you'll be better allies to them than Goonswarm will. Uhhhhnfortunately, Goonswarm tends to treat their allies with respect and cheerful help, while most of SoCo tends to treat their allies like something they stepped in.

So, 90% of Nullsec Population is still available if you can break their alliances with GSF (Hint: The Beatles said it best). Heck, half of DelveJam isn't even in the CFC, so certainly splitting up a coalition formed with the express purpose of stomping... oh...

Well, turns out the South's poor reputation is causing it some PR problems when it comes to bringing in Friends (or as they call them, Pets) in this great war between North and South.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#399 - 2012-07-11 11:02:15 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
PS: It's not due to tech. This would've happened with or without tech.

I think we all know that the CFC were BFFs with ev0ke and NCdot long before OTEC.

.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#400 - 2012-07-11 11:03:03 UTC
forestwho wrote:
I have explained that somewhere half way this thread.

No, what you've done is assume tech is the reason literally all of soco stopped logging in. It isn't.

Walltreipers Alliance, an alliance of 376 people, have absolutely no tech, yet they're fighting harder for their one system than the 20k of the rest of soco.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/WALLTREIPERS_ALLIANCE
http://walltreipers.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=6075&m=7&y=2012

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat