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Grats CCP, No armsrace will every be possible vs current tech holders
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#361 - 2012-07-11 09:03:37 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
As for wrestling out your own spot in the world - everything is possible and nobody is undefeatable. If anything, oldschool Goons with their cheap frigate tactics back in the day can serve as a perfect example of what a focused, determined bunch of players can do. But if one expects to have it easy, one should stay in high sec.

With a half decent FC and a ten minute fleet ops 101 lesson, yes you can take mission runners (with lots of juicy sp) and miners (these guys are useless) and kill leet pvp players, I've seen it done with total noobs all the time.

Considering the newbies in the fleets, I think you'd be ok with rifters. The problem is updating your clone will cost you a good bit more than it would the newbie.

Oh, and you'd be losing training because obviously not going to use +5s in Bubble-land.

Oh and you could be making isk in highsec ~safely~. Hmm, well ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#362 - 2012-07-11 09:13:50 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Considering the newbies in the fleets, I think you'd be ok with rifters. The problem is updating your clone will cost you a good bit more than it would the newbie.

Oh, and you'd be losing training because obviously not going to use +5s in Bubble-land.

Oh and you could be making isk in highsec ~safely~. Hmm, well ...

Not to mention all the loot pinatas that mission runners would try to bring. We once had a guy try to bring a faction/deadspace fit rupture on a welp rupture roam *ohgodwhy*
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#363 - 2012-07-11 09:26:39 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
As for wrestling out your own spot in the world - everything is possible and nobody is undefeatable. If anything, oldschool Goons with their cheap frigate tactics back in the day can serve as a perfect example of what a focused, determined bunch of players can do. But if one expects to have it easy, one should stay in high sec.

With a half decent FC and a ten minute fleet ops 101 lesson, yes you can take mission runners (with lots of juicy sp) and miners (these guys are useless) and kill leet pvp players, I've seen it done with total noobs all the time.

Considering the newbies in the fleets, I think you'd be ok with rifters. The problem is updating your clone will cost you a good bit more than it would the newbie.

Oh, and you'd be losing training because obviously not going to use +5s in Bubble-land.

Oh and you could be making isk in highsec ~safely~. Hmm, well ...



Oh noes, not Meh training time.

Granted it kinda sucks, but really at 30-40mil you should have a pretty solid combat skill set. Not to mention the most pump ship gets dull pretty fast in missions. I'll usually run a +4 for whatever my primary is, and they collect so I end up with a couple 150 nil pods lost, but that's just the cost of doing business.

Running 19 jumps through three camsp with a velator and a bomber, much more lively.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#364 - 2012-07-11 09:29:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Onictus wrote:
Oh noes, not Meh training time.

Granted it kinda sucks, but really at 30-40mil you should have a pretty solid combat skill set. Not to mention the most pump ship gets dull pretty fast in missions. I'll usually run a +4 for whatever my primary is, and they collect so I end up with a couple 150 nil pods lost, but that's just the cost of doing business.

Running 19 jumps through three camsp with a velator and a bomber, much more lively.

Yeah, for what it's worth I have 2 +4s in my battleship using main (this character) but never got in a fight....

My bomber alt uses +3s, but it doesn't have cybernetics IV. Funny to think that a +4 implant could get a newbie another blackbird though... I think the newbies get reimbursed enough that they can fly blackbirds all the time and jam Makalu for the 10s before he dies and gets podded.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#365 - 2012-07-11 09:31:20 UTC
+whatever-using scrubs. real men train without implants.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#366 - 2012-07-11 09:31:31 UTC
Uphill. Both ways.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#367 - 2012-07-11 09:33:12 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Not to mention all the loot pinatas that mission runners would try to bring. We once had a guy try to bring a faction/deadspace fit rupture on a welp rupture roam *ohgodwhy*

Ugh, no way. Welp. Sometimes there are reasons to go faction etc, but not when you're going to die in something that isn't already an expensive hull.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Pipa Porto
#368 - 2012-07-11 09:34:14 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
+whatever-using scrubs. real men train without implants.


Real men PvP without updated med-clones.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#369 - 2012-07-11 09:36:26 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
+whatever-using scrubs. real men train without implants.

Real men PvP without updated med-clones.

Let me tell you a tale of losing a mindlinked alphaclone.

It's called Losing Fleet Command V, and every newbie should learn about it so they know why you should always keep your clone updated to hold all your skillpoints.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#370 - 2012-07-11 09:37:27 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Uphill. Both ways.


In the snow, while its raining hail and rain.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#371 - 2012-07-11 09:38:53 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
+whatever-using scrubs. real men train without implants.


Real men PvP without updated med-clones.


Done that, last weekend actually......fortunately, it was only 4 hours.....because the skill was AWU V.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#372 - 2012-07-11 09:39:09 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Not to mention all the loot pinatas that mission runners would try to bring. We once had a guy try to bring a faction/deadspace fit rupture on a welp rupture roam *ohgodwhy*

Ugh, no way. Welp. Sometimes there are reasons to go faction etc, but not when you're going to die in something that isn't already an expensive hull.


One time I am going to bring a faction navy mega. Just once because I can.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#373 - 2012-07-11 09:41:42 UTC
The best part of the thread are the 11 upvotes to the OP.

Someone agrees with you, keep posting!

Maybe you can dethrone them together!

Hello, hello again.
Slow P Oke
Doomheim
#374 - 2012-07-11 09:43:34 UTC
THIS JUST IN!

RELATIVE NEWCOMER GOONSWARM FEDERATION HAS DETHRONED NORTHERN COALITION, THE LONG STANDING POWER BLOC OF EVE ONLINE, SO DEEPLY INGRAINED IN EVE SOCIETY IT WAS LONG CONSIDERED TOO BIG TO FAIL

MORE NEWS AT 11
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#375 - 2012-07-11 09:44:50 UTC
Slow P Oke wrote:
THIS JUST IN!

RELATIVE NEWCOMER GOONSWARM FEDERATION HAS DETHRONED NORTHERN COALITION, THE LONG STANDING POWER BLOC OF EVE ONLINE, SO DEEPLY INGRAINED IN EVE SOCIETY IT WAS LONG CONSIDERED TOO BIG TO FAIL

MORE NEWS AT 11

Guess CCP didn't bail them out eh. So much for too big to fail.

Oh wait, this wasn't a banker bailout reference, was it. It was a goons are too massive reference.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#376 - 2012-07-11 09:46:37 UTC
I can confirm I am, indeed, too massive.

As is my neckbeard.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Bob Nesta Marley
Doomheim
#377 - 2012-07-11 09:47:42 UTC
I'm fairly certain it was a "Do something about it or stop whining" post.
forestwho
Doomheim
#378 - 2012-07-11 10:20:23 UTC
Degren wrote:
The best part of the thread are the 11 upvotes to the OP.

Someone agrees with you, keep posting!

Maybe you can dethrone them together!

Stop trolling or i report it and just simply get your posts removed.

Lord Zim wrote:
forestwho wrote:
Im srry i have to agree with him, i agree with that PL issue, but atleast cfc have the isk to buy it if they woudnt have it (im not saying they do or do not, just saying they have the ability to buy it if its needed)

I can either buy myself one pimpfit nyx on the market, or I can build myself two pimpfit nyxes (and spend 2 months doing so). The open market only has so much capacity, and you will get gauged if you do so.

Money is not the problem, build capacity is..

Build time on a mom 3-4 weeks? In current situation with all the otech friends and gained isk from it its not possible to put any supers in the oven in any SoCo allaince. It would be suicide. This current situation exists due isk gaining from the tech moons. I get your point. All im saying is that it is completly safe to build supers in CFC at the moment while it isnt in SoCo and its caused by the tech isk. It is an exponential thing, it cant be stopped by recruiting more people or buying more supers with isk as the tech income is just sooo redicules high. Next step in this whole process is taking sov preventing SoCo any income. Do you see where im going to? Combine this with the devfleet public image that is existing and i forsee not much member growth this year for eve. Alot of ppl are allready pissed off by this and it will only go downwards. Effecting general eve population and thus everyone...

tiberiusric wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
TL;DR

Goons and pals control all the tech, and I can't be arsed to do anything about it.

Want that tech? take it, just like they did. :effort: :teamwork: Evil



Stop talking out of your ass.... what a stupid quote... when goons have 9000 players, have been established alot longer, make trillions of isk per month. Then what shall the OP go and suddenly recruit 9000 good players out of thin air? and offer them nothing as he has nothing?

You sir are stupid, and i dont usually post, but comments like this annoy the hell outta me.

Even the strong NC., Evoke, PL cant even do it and they are some of the best pvp alliances in eve, how do you expect some random to do it... seriously think about what you say before posting total and utter rubbish.

To the OP, I think alot of people totally agree with you, but CCP continues to do sweet FA, the game has become saturated and people are starting to get a little f*cked off now. But again CCP and Goons seem to be controlling the game. Goons win EVE


Goon win eve and alot of ppl quit eve. Not my loss rly as i pay with plex anyway. I wonder if CCP would care about this as much as they care about forcing eve being Barby-Online about a year ago....
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#379 - 2012-07-11 10:30:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
forestwho wrote:
Build time on a mom 3-4 weeks? In current situation with all the otech friends and gained isk from it its not possible to put any supers in the oven in any SoCo allaince. It would be suicide.

This has nothing to do with tech money, and everything to do with soco being a bunch of whinyassed pansies who can't even undock without getting slaughtered to a man.

forestwho wrote:
This current situation exists due isk gaining from the tech moons.

Nope. It exists because -A- is ****. 2 days from "we're going to burn your **** down" to "yipe yipe yipe BACK TO NPC STAIN RUN HIDE AAAAAA". They had the manpower and the hardware to make this a long, interesting and bloody war, yet they just ran away like a beaten dog with its tail between their legs the instant their 3-1 advantage turned into more of a 1-1 "advantage".

That's so pathetic it pegs the pathetic-o-meter.

forestwho wrote:
I get your point. All im saying is that it is completly safe to build supers in CFC at the moment while it isnt in SoCo and its caused by the tech isk.

Nope. The reason it's "completely safe to build supers in CFC" while it "isn't in SoCo" is because SoCo aren't hitting back. Hell, they're not even defending their own ****, all they're doing is throwing away a super or a titan worth of isk a day by undocking T3s into drakes.

forestwho wrote:
It is an exponential thing, it cant be stopped by recruiting more people or buying more supers with isk as the tech income is just sooo redicules high.

Them being **** is what's stopping them from recruiting more people, not the lack of isk. Again, they've lost multiple fleets of T3s, they're not hurting for isk.

forestwho wrote:
Next step in this whole process is taking sov preventing SoCo any income. Do you see where im going to? Combine this with the devfleet public image that is existing and i forsee not much member growth this year for eve. Alot of ppl are allready pissed off by this and it will only go downwards. Effecting general eve population and thus everyone...

Goon win eve and alot of ppl quit eve. Not my loss rly as i pay with plex anyway. I wonder if CCP would care about this as much as they care about forcing eve being Barby-Online about a year ago....

You know what this reminds me of, nearly word for word?

The NC.

Where, pray tell, is the NC now?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#380 - 2012-07-11 10:31:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
tiberiusric wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
TL;DR

Goons and pals control all the tech, and I can't be arsed to do anything about it.

Want that tech? take it, just like they did. :effort: :teamwork: Evil



Stop talking out of your ass.... what a stupid quote... when goons have 9000 players, have been established alot longer, make trillions of isk per month. Then what shall the OP go and suddenly recruit 9000 good players out of thin air? and offer them nothing as he has nothing?

You sir are stupid, and i dont usually post, but comments like this annoy the hell outta me.


Pray tell who did I quote? and I don't possess a donkey to talk out of.

Goons weren't always a massive corp with oodles of isk, they still managed to carve themselves a niche in null and beat the bejesus out of BoB in the process. For an example of what can be done you only have to look at their rise to power and infamy, follow their example, recruit, blob the hell out of them with noobships, infiltrate them, use their own successful tactics against them.
If goons can rise to the top of this seething cesspool we call Eve then so can anybody else with enough determination & friends.

As I originally said it requires teamwork and effort, if that makes me stupid then so be it.

tiberiusric wrote:
Even the strong NC., Evoke, PL cant even do it and they are some of the best pvp alliances in eve, how do you expect some random to do it... seriously think about what you say before posting total and utter rubbish.

To the OP, I think alot of people totally agree with you, but CCP continues to do sweet FA, the game has become saturated and people are starting to get a little f*cked off now. But again CCP and Goons seem to be controlling the game. Goons win EVE


If NC., Evoke, PL and their ilk teamed up (see there's that teamwork thing again) then I have no doubt they could give goons, TEST etc. a damn good run for their money, but they won't because they hate each other more than they hate the CFC, and collectively couldn't organise a drunken outing in a brewery without shooting each other in the face. The old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" springs to mind but that just ain't going to happen.

As for CCP and goons controlling the game, well duh it's CCPs game and at present goons seem to be creating a lot more publicity and content than anybody else so of course CCP are going to support them to a certain extent, but not to the extent all the tinfoil haberdashery fans would like to think.

TL;DR [sarcasm]I'm so stupid that when I typed this I stopped breathing because my braincell (singular) couldn't handle doing 2 things at once, oh and I talk out of my arse (which is not a donkey)[/sarcasm]

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