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Grats CCP, No armsrace will every be possible vs current tech holders
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#341 - 2012-07-11 06:49:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Yep.

I think I need another dose of SoCo comms leaks.


Those are SO good, when they're all gone, I don't know what I'll do ...


We will always have IRC kitchen sink fleets. Blink

Well, yes we do, but those don't have the concentrated awesomeness of the SoCo comm leaks. We never got IRC leaks when blobbing them.

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#342 - 2012-07-11 06:54:08 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
Rene Fullchest wrote:
Well, you know, it's not like CCP just gave all the tech to the CFC. We fought for it, took it, and hold it.

Not our problem that we were good enough to do so, nor is it CCP's.

If you truly feel that you, no one, will ever be able to take enough to compete, you should probably unsubscribe, because we certainly are not going to stop defending it.


Don't say we. You are no Goon, you are a lowly pet. There was no we, Goons fought for it and took it. Your masters just threw you a bone as condolences for all the rug burns on your knees.

Also Goons give themselves more credit than they deserve. They were greatly inferior to BOB and couldn't beat them. That's why they had to basically cheat (even if not violating EULA) by, infiltrating the corp and disassembling from the inside. Goons would of never been able to beat BOB in a normal war, and they know that too. If they thought for even a second they could win they wouldn't have destroyed BOB in one fell swoop with no shots fired. Why take away your biggest target if you think you can beat them? Because they knew they had zero chance.


Cool story bro. Tell us more.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#343 - 2012-07-11 07:01:24 UTC
What if... Wait for it.

RvB controlled a monopoly on Null-sec?

On-topic: Who gives a ****, really? A group of players controlling the majority of assets/tech/whatever flavor argument people are using these days is entirely down to them taking it. That's EVE. If you don't like it, change it.

Asking a developer to 'nerf' a GROUP OF PLAYERS is the most pathetic thing I've heard in 15 years of video-games.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Pipa Porto
#344 - 2012-07-11 07:09:59 UTC
Halete wrote:
What if... Wait for it.

RvB controlled a monopoly on Null-sec?

On-topic: Who gives a ****, really? A group of players controlling the majority of assets/tech/whatever flavor argument people are using these days is entirely down to them taking it. That's EVE. If you don't like it, change it.

Asking a developer to 'nerf' a GROUP OF PLAYERS is the most pathetic thing I've heard in 15 years of video-games.


Nerf RvB!

They're... doing something... eh, @%#$ it.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#345 - 2012-07-11 07:17:05 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Well, yes we do, but those don't have the concentrated awesomeness of the SoCo comm leaks. We never got IRC leaks when blobbing them.


Well...you dont tend to see them, me on the other handTwisted
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#346 - 2012-07-11 07:23:27 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
Rene Fullchest wrote:
Well, you know, it's not like CCP just gave all the tech to the CFC. We fought for it, took it, and hold it.

Not our problem that we were good enough to do so, nor is it CCP's.

If you truly feel that you, no one, will ever be able to take enough to compete, you should probably unsubscribe, because we certainly are not going to stop defending it.

Don't say we. You are no Goon, you are a lowly pet. There was no we, Goons fought for it and took it. Your masters just threw you a bone as condolences for all the rug burns on your knees.

Also Goons give themselves more credit than they deserve. They were greatly inferior to BOB and couldn't beat them. That's why they had to basically cheat (even if not violating EULA) by, infiltrating the corp and disassembling from the inside. Goons would of never been able to beat BOB in a normal war, and they know that too. If they thought for even a second they could win they wouldn't have destroyed BOB in one fell swoop with no shots fired. Why take away your biggest target if you think you can beat them? Because they knew they had zero chance.

Cool story bro. Tell us more.

I think he's mad, bro.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Pipa Porto
#347 - 2012-07-11 07:24:34 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
Rene Fullchest wrote:
Well, you know, it's not like CCP just gave all the tech to the CFC. We fought for it, took it, and hold it.

Not our problem that we were good enough to do so, nor is it CCP's.

If you truly feel that you, no one, will ever be able to take enough to compete, you should probably unsubscribe, because we certainly are not going to stop defending it.

Don't say we. You are no Goon, you are a lowly pet. There was no we, Goons fought for it and took it. Your masters just threw you a bone as condolences for all the rug burns on your knees.

Also Goons give themselves more credit than they deserve. They were greatly inferior to BOB and couldn't beat them. That's why they had to basically cheat (even if not violating EULA) by, infiltrating the corp and disassembling from the inside. Goons would of never been able to beat BOB in a normal war, and they know that too. If they thought for even a second they could win they wouldn't have destroyed BOB in one fell swoop with no shots fired. Why take away your biggest target if you think you can beat them? Because they knew they had zero chance.

Cool story bro. Tell us more.

I think he's mad, bro.


I bro he's bro, bra

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#348 - 2012-07-11 07:30:36 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
TL;DR

Goons and pals control all the tech, and I can't be arsed to do anything about it.

Want that tech? take it, just like they did. :effort: :teamwork: Evil



Stop talking out of your ass.... what a stupid quote... when goons have 9000 players, have been established alot longer, make trillions of isk per month. Then what shall the OP go and suddenly recruit 9000 good players out of thin air? and offer them nothing as he has nothing?

You sir are stupid, and i dont usually post, but comments like this annoy the hell outta me.

Even the strong NC., Evoke, PL cant even do it and they are some of the best pvp alliances in eve, how do you expect some random to do it... seriously think about what you say before posting total and utter rubbish.

To the OP, I think alot of people totally agree with you, but CCP continues to do sweet FA, the game has become saturated and people are starting to get a little f*cked off now. But again CCP and Goons seem to be controlling the game. Goons win EVE

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#349 - 2012-07-11 07:31:23 UTC
Akai Kvaesir wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
TL;DR

Goons and pals control all the tech, and I can't be arsed to do anything about it.

Want that tech? take it, just like they did. :effort: :teamwork: Evil

The only problem when trying to defeat an opponent that not only has access to unlimited funding, but also has a monopoly on ships and tech...Do I need to spell out the self-reinforcing aspect? If it were a winnable war, or one that even had a possibility of winning (however slight), there would be thousands marching to end the Goontide. Alas, you have probably ruined a lot of peoples games, and those you haven't are too space-poor to do ANYTHING about it.



That is a ridiculous statement, you have just answered your own frightened question, if enough people come to fight, surely you stand a chance? Are you so afraid of losing pixels in a video game? That is why you will lose and lose and lose, because you are afraid so of losing. Fortune favours the bold.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Pipa Porto
#350 - 2012-07-11 07:44:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
tiberiusric wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
TL;DR

Goons and pals control all the tech, and I can't be arsed to do anything about it.

Want that tech? take it, just like they did. :effort: :teamwork: Evil



Stop talking out of your ass.... what a stupid quote... when goons have 9000 players, have been established alot longer, make trillions of isk per month. Then what shall the OP go and suddenly recruit 9000 good players out of thin air? and offer them nothing as he has nothing?

You sir are stupid, and i dont usually post, but comments like this annoy the hell outta me.

Even the strong NC., Evoke, PL cant even do it and they are some of the best pvp alliances in eve, how do you expect some random to do it... seriously think about what you say before posting total and utter rubbish.

To the OP, I think alot of people totally agree with you, but CCP continues to do sweet FA, the game has become saturated and people are starting to get a little f*cked off now. But again CCP and Goons seem to be controlling the game. Goons win EVE


There are a lot more people who aren't in the GSF than that are. Assuming every GSF member has 2 accounts and only one character in Goonswarm, 18k accounts are owned by GSF members.

There are 361k active accounts.

That means Goonswarm represents, at the upper limit, 5% of the playerbase (and those are kind of ridiculous assumptions).

Now, another good number is the last QEN snapshot of Character location, which puts 86k Characters in Null. That means that Goonswarm represents about 10% of the Nullsec population.

So you've got 90% of the Nullsec population, and 95+% of the general population to recruit from.

So, I guess my question is: What's your next excuse?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#351 - 2012-07-11 07:51:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
I would really love to see how many accounts the average null sec player holds.

There are people out here with TWENTY accounts, I'm starting to feel restricted with just two. I'd damn near bet the average nullbear has three.....on the low end.
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#352 - 2012-07-11 07:52:19 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
Aaaaaaaand you still don't get it.


No, I think I do get it. For you, "fun" is just a propaganda word.

Huh. Actually, maybe you do get it. Our enemies think the idea of having fun is just a propaganda campaign.

Really does kind of sum up everything, doesn't it.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#353 - 2012-07-11 07:54:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Don't understand why anyone would keep playing a game that makes them so angry and bitter.

OP is upset that he was told that he would have to earn his own ISK to buy his own ships, and that the ops were mandatory attendance if you're logged in. They don't care if you're an industrialist, if you're logged in you're required to fit a ship, fleet up, and sit in station; even if it's a badger.

SoCo won't reimburse most of their losses anymore. Now there are a bunch of mad SoCo members who think its unfair for other groups to be able to do what his leadership is to incompetent to do themselves; hence they want tech nerfs now because they just found out that the alliance is running out of money.

How ****** is it to log into a game you pay for and have some douchebag tell you that you HAVE to farm ISK when there isn't any fighting to pay for your own ships that you're REQUIRED to fly because they threaten you with bans and fines if you're logged in and not in fleet when they tell you.


Why the **** do you guys put up with that bullshit? Instead of being mad at us how about you start taking matters into your own hands by removing the douchebags that are ruining the game for you by telling you how and when to play. You guys might actually be able to get somewhere if you stopped letting those pompous dickheads run your game time.

Jesus Christ, grow some balls and put together a better alliance, headed by people who aren't egomaniacal twats who think they're you ******* boss in a video game.

I don't know whats worse, the guys in charge or you sad sacks who stick with them.

The only problem with tech is that you guys are letting your alliances be run by a group of inept wanna be dictators, to incompetent to take it from us. You are the problem, not us.

Get smart or keep being miserable.
Pipa Porto
#354 - 2012-07-11 07:56:00 UTC
Onictus wrote:
I would really love to see how many accounts the average low sec player holds.

There are people out here with TWENTY accounts, I'm starting to feel restricted with just two. I'd damn near bet the average nullbear has three.....on the low end.


I don't see any reason to believe that GSF has a higher (or lower) prevalence of multiple accounts than any other nullsec alliance, so the percentages hold.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#355 - 2012-07-11 08:00:54 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Don't understand why anyone would keep playing a game that makes them so angry and bitter.

OP is upset that he was told that he would have to earn his own ISK to buy his own ships, and that the ops were mandatory attendance if you're logged in. They don't care if you're an industrialist, if you're logged in you're required to fit a ship, fleet up, and sit in station; even if it's a badger.

SoCo won't reimburse most of their losses anymore. Now there are a bunch of mad SoCo members who think its unfair for other groups to be able to do what his leadership is to incompetent to do themselves; hence they want tech nerfs now because they just found out that the alliance is running out of money.

How ****** is it to log into a game you pay for and have some douchebag tell you that you HAVE to farm ISK when there isn't any fighting to pay for your own ships that you're REQUIRED to fly because they threaten you with bans and fines if you're logged in and not in fleet when they tell you.


Why the **** do you guys put up with that bullshit? Instead of being mad at us how about you start taking matters into your own hands by removing the douchebags that are ruining the game for you by telling you how and when to play. You guys might actually be able to get somewhere if you stopped letting those pompous dickheads run your game time.

Jesus Christ, grow some balls and put together a better alliance, headed by people who aren't egomaniacal twats who think they're you ******* boss in a video game.

I don't know whats worse, the guys in charge or you sad sacks who stick with them.

The only problem with tech is that you guys are letting your alliances be run by a group of inept wanna be dictators, to incompetent to take it from us. You are the problem, not us.

Get smart or keep being miserable.



Y U mad?

It was a good splerge largely bullshit, but nice.

Our reimbursement hasn't changed this year, and we don't have industrialists, AAAC is that way, and they generally don' t run ops
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#356 - 2012-07-11 08:53:54 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
If only 10% of high sec dwellers were to form an alliance, they would likely out number even the largest null sec alliance by 7 to 1.


Numbers aren't everything, something that gets painfully obvious when you throw a coalition of mission runners and miners at an experienced pirate group, then have to work with people who don't know how to align their ships, much less actually execute complex strategies. Don't get me wrong, given time, high sec players can learn, just as our alignment friend learned, but it's not something you can achieve over night.

As for wrestling out your own spot in the world - everything is possible and nobody is undefeatable. If anything, oldschool Goons with their cheap frigate tactics back in the day can serve as a perfect example of what a focused, determined bunch of players can do. But if one expects to have it easy, one should stay in high sec.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#357 - 2012-07-11 08:59:56 UTC
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
Kuehnelt wrote:
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
Aaaaaaaand you still don't get it.

No, I think I do get it. For you, "fun" is just a propaganda word.

Huh. Actually, maybe you do get it. Our enemies think the idea of having fun is just a propaganda campaign.

Really does kind of sum up everything, doesn't it.

They'll never understand why people voluntarily click the Join Fleet button when there's undocks to camp and structures to shoot.

It's because our structure shooting FCs have the BEST stories.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#358 - 2012-07-11 09:00:16 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
If only 10% of high sec dwellers were to form an alliance, they would likely out number even the largest null sec alliance by 7 to 1.


Numbers aren't everything, something that gets painfully obvious when you throw a coalition of mission runners and miners at an experienced pirate group, then have to work with people who don't know how to align their ships, much less actually execute complex strategies. Don't get me wrong, given time, high sec players can learn, just as our alignment friend learned, but it's not something you can achieve over night.

As for wrestling out your own spot in the world - everything is possible and nobody is undefeatable. If anything, oldschool Goons with their cheap frigate tactics back in the day can serve as a perfect example of what a focused, determined bunch of players can do. But if one expects to have it easy, one should stay in high sec.

With a half decent FC and a ten minute fleet ops 101 lesson, yes you can take mission runners (with lots of juicy sp) and miners (these guys are useless) and kill leet pvp players, I've seen it done with total noobs all the time.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#359 - 2012-07-11 09:01:20 UTC
People would be amazed how little it would take, sometimes, if only they tried.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#360 - 2012-07-11 09:01:29 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
[quote=tiberiusric]There are a lot more people who aren't in the GSF than that are. Assuming every GSF member has 2 accounts and only one character in Goonswarm, 18k accounts are owned by GSF members.

There are 361k active accounts.

That means Goonswarm represents, at the upper limit, 5% of the playerbase (and those are kind of ridiculous assumptions).

Now, another good number is the last QEN snapshot of Character location, which puts 86k Characters in Null. That means that Goonswarm represents about 10% of the Nullsec population.

So you've got 90% of the Nullsec population, and 95+% of the general population to recruit from.

So, I guess my question is: What's your next excuse?

....

Probably, looking at the topic, they'd try to imply that tech is the problem.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?