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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2012-07-11 00:46:43 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
If CCP dropped the whole "the ihub, tcu and station are sov structures" and changed everything over to "the POCOs (or added something similar) are sov structures", then maybe there would be more incentives to even try to have more than 1 large fight, followed by a sov structure grind/rep by the victor, and smallish gangs could possibly do some damage even at the sov level.

Combine this with a repurposing of titans and supercarriers, and you should probably see a lot more interesting wars than today's mechanics currently allow.


You mean kind of like what they had Pre-Dominion with POSes?

Only with less HP, less possible numbers of structures to shoot and less cockfaggery by f.ex shooting your own POS with its own guns to get a timer you like. But yes.


Don't POCOs get their timer set by dropdown menu? Pirate

Sadly, yes. It's why I said "or added something similar", because personally I'd prefer it if there were some mechanic which means that losing SOV is a bit of a tug of war between the attacker and the defender, where the defender can make fuckups beyond just "didn't bring enough people".

But yeah, nothing like this is going to happen.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2012-07-11 00:51:08 UTC
Remove structure mails.
Pipa Porto
#123 - 2012-07-11 01:01:14 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
If CCP dropped the whole "the ihub, tcu and station are sov structures" and changed everything over to "the POCOs (or added something similar) are sov structures", then maybe there would be more incentives to even try to have more than 1 large fight, followed by a sov structure grind/rep by the victor, and smallish gangs could possibly do some damage even at the sov level.

Combine this with a repurposing of titans and supercarriers, and you should probably see a lot more interesting wars than today's mechanics currently allow.


You mean kind of like what they had Pre-Dominion with POSes?

Only with less HP, less possible numbers of structures to shoot and less cockfaggery by f.ex shooting your own POS with its own guns to get a timer you like. But yes.


Don't POCOs get their timer set by dropdown menu? Pirate

Sadly, yes. It's why I said "or added something similar", because personally I'd prefer it if there were some mechanic which means that losing SOV is a bit of a tug of war between the attacker and the defender, where the defender can make fuckups beyond just "didn't bring enough people".

But yeah, nothing like this is going to happen.


Maybe bring back POSes, prevent them from shooting themselves, and introduce "Strategic" moons, as the only moons that count?

This is just off the top of my head, I haven't really thought it through.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2012-07-11 01:11:01 UTC
Tying sov to planets make more sense than tying it to moons, though, and I'd much prefer they make some sort of minipos with just a stront bay, a shield and ... that's it.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Pipa Porto
#125 - 2012-07-11 02:12:52 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Tying sov to planets make more sense than tying it to moons, though, and I'd much prefer they make some sort of minipos with just a stront bay, a shield and ... that's it.


You'd have to do something about the iHub's role. Maybe untie it from holding Sov, so the new owner can kill it at their leisure?

It would be a pretty decent idea. Bring back the skill of stront timing and kiting, allow people the opportunity to screw up (though, I've heard of Sov timers getting set wrong... somehow).

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#126 - 2012-07-11 03:23:29 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Tying sov to planets make more sense than tying it to moons, though, and I'd much prefer they make some sort of minipos with just a stront bay, a shield and ... that's it.

Wait ... I was gone for 3 years and your telling me sov os still tied to moons?

That's.... So stupid

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Pipa Porto
#127 - 2012-07-11 03:27:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
MotherMoon wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Tying sov to planets make more sense than tying it to moons, though, and I'd much prefer they make some sort of minipos with just a stront bay, a shield and ... that's it.

Wait ... I was gone for 3 years and your telling me sov os still tied to moons?

That's.... So stupid


Roll

Try reading the thread and you might notice that we're suggesting improvements now.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#128 - 2012-07-11 04:40:47 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Tying sov to planets make more sense than tying it to moons, though, and I'd much prefer they make some sort of minipos with just a stront bay, a shield and ... that's it.

Wait ... I was gone for 3 years and your telling me sov os still tied to moons?

That's.... So stupid


Roll

Try reading the thread and you might notice that we're suggesting improvements now.

What does that have to do with my post?

I'm just posting my surprize becuase I've been give a long time. I thought that changed Allready, there was a dev blog on tying sov to planets in 2005. Was my post unclear?

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2012-07-11 07:50:31 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Tying sov to planets make more sense than tying it to moons, though, and I'd much prefer they make some sort of minipos with just a stront bay, a shield and ... that's it.

Wait ... I was gone for 3 years and your telling me sov os still tied to moons?

That's.... So stupid


Roll

Try reading the thread and you might notice that we're suggesting improvements now.

What does that have to do with my post?

I'm just posting my surprize becuase I've been give a long time. I thought that changed Allready, there was a dev blog on tying sov to planets in 2005. Was my post unclear?

Sigh. Roll

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#130 - 2012-07-11 07:52:56 UTC
So anyone change their opinion on anything in this thread or just become more entrenched in their opinion on the matter?
Pipa Porto
#131 - 2012-07-11 08:02:02 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
So anyone change their opinion on anything in this thread or just become more entrenched in their opinion on the matter?


Gonna post anything constructive, or just spout silly one liners about how you're too lazy to read the thread?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2012-07-11 08:02:57 UTC
Marlona Sky? Post anything other than silly one-liners?

Perish the thought.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Pipa Porto
#133 - 2012-07-11 08:04:55 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Marlona Sky? Post anything other than silly one-liners?

Perish the thought.


I don't recognize the name. Why does he now post under a different name?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2012-07-11 08:06:39 UTC
Notorious badposter from SHC. I've no idea why he changed his name, don't really care.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#135 - 2012-07-11 08:12:44 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Tying sov to planets make more sense than tying it to moons, though, and I'd much prefer they make some sort of minipos with just a stront bay, a shield and ... that's it.

Wait ... I was gone for 3 years and your telling me sov os still tied to moons?

That's.... So stupid


Roll

Try reading the thread and you might notice that we're suggesting improvements now.

What does that have to do with my post?

I'm just posting my surprize becuase I've been give a long time. I thought that changed Allready, there was a dev blog on tying sov to planets in 2005. Was my post unclear?

Sigh. Roll


You want a flame war ? Becuase the last thing you want is a flame war with a forum vet.

Bring it

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Pipa Porto
#136 - 2012-07-11 08:13:17 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Notorious badposter from SHC. I've no idea why he changed his name, don't really care.


Ah. I don't spend much time on the other forums. I thought SHC guys had a thing about being too good for EvE-O.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#137 - 2012-07-11 08:18:34 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
You want a flame war ? Becuase the last thing you want is a flame war with a forum vet.

Bring it

Sigh. Is that supposed to scare me? You might want to actually read before you go all "imma internet tuff tuff guy" next time. Roll

Actually, scratch that, you need to read and understand first. Go do that now, we'll wait.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Pipa Porto
#138 - 2012-07-11 08:18:37 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:

Wait ... I was gone for 3 years and your telling me sov os still tied to moons?

That's.... So stupid


Roll

Try reading the thread and you might notice that we're suggesting improvements now.

What does that have to do with my post?

I'm just posting my surprize becuase I've been give a long time. I thought that changed Allready, there was a dev blog on tying sov to planets in 2005. Was my post unclear?

Sigh. Roll


You want a flame war ? Becuase the last thing you want is a flame war with a forum vet.

Bring it


Because I feel sorry for you, OH Great Gazib, Sov is not tied to moons. It's tied to big honking structures. We were trying to brainstorm ideas for how to move away from those structures, something you could have picked up on by reading the the posts since your last post.

Zim was simply shooting down the idea of moving Sov back to moons.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#139 - 2012-07-11 08:20:42 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:

You want a flame war ? Becuase the last thing you want is a flame war with a forum vet.

Bring it

This **** just got real.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#140 - 2012-07-11 09:16:29 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Sov is not tied to moons. It's tied to big honking structures. We were trying to brainstorm ideas for how to move away from those structures, something you could have picked up on by reading the the posts since your last post.

Yeah instead of POS, it's now SBU, TCU, IHUB and Station.

Are there other structures involved in sov? There's like 5 timers you have to go through to take sov, or is it 6, or more than that?

You have to SBU, then shoot station and IHub (multiple timers) and then the TCU (more timers). Any other steps?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?