My EVE

Good:

• Music was pretty good
• You guys field shiny ships

Bad:

• Cheesy Intro and title/text pages taking up 3 minutes of time
• Slow kills taking up several minutes of time
• 0 Risk PvP

The reason people enjoy watching PvP videos is to see someone put themselves in danger and come out on top. You are never in danger in any of this footage with at least 2 logistic pilots on the field at all times, if things turn against you, you simply drop aggression and redock before you die. You seem to be under the impression that you 'fight outnumbered' in this video but nearly all of these videos involve you fielding a collection of ships that are MUCH more expensive than those of your opponents. Its not surprising that a Vindicator can kill 2 Megathrons for example. Also why would you throw in 5 minutes of footage that result with you killing 1 Hurricane and 1 Keres when using 3 Vindicators?

Highsec PvP is not exciting for others to watch. The excitement from Highsec PvP comes from the hunt, and the simple satisfaction of forcing your will upon others in the 'safest' part of the EVE universe. This can't be conveyed in a video, this is why you don't see many highsec PvP videos, and why this video isn't entertaining to watch.

You guys may very well be near the top of corporations in highsec in the categories of 'Most Vindicator Pilots' and 'Most Logistic alts', but this is literally the most boring form of PvP. You sit at 0 m/s for 95% of this footage, there is no maneuvering, or positioning at all. I hate large gangs and I would rather watch some of the videos on here of fleet engagements than watch this again. There is no dynamic to this type of PvP, it comes down to 'Who has the most ISK on the field' or 'Who has the most logistic alts' its that simple.

I'm not trying to insult you, as I said you guys are certainly good at what you do. What you do is just boring for others to watch as there is no risk taken on your parts at all.

When you have logistics + massive buffers while on a station, its zero risk, sorry. You can always dock up.

I'm in highsec just like you buddy, but I'm aware that what I do isn't exciting for others to watch. You seem to be dillusional.

The Paladin was the one exception, and that wasn't you flying it.

I am aware how highsec PvP works, its a numbers/ISK game period. Even more so than nullsec. The side with more ISK and Logistics wins.


The reason you're getting a poor reception to this video, and your past videos, is because most people don't find them enjoyable. Its not because everyone is stupid and jealous of your 'uber piloting skills' its because its boring and rather lame. Show me something in a video that makes me think "Wow that was smart" or "Wow that was ballsy" or maybe even "Wow I'm not sure I could have pulled that off" and I'll enjoy it. What your video shows is what a bunch of Vindicators with several Logistics does, which at best makes people say "Wow I don't own those ships".

Nightmare you just don't get it.

Many of your points might be valid for arguing that high-sec war is more thrilling and exciting than people think. And I'm sure that in the heat of the battle it is very exciting for you. That's cool, all power to you.

But this is a pvp video. A video's purpose is to entertain and excite the viewer. Just because something is exciting when doing it yourself, doesn't mean it's exciting to watch for someone who wasn't there.

When measuring success on an entertainment basis, there is no 'ifs' or 'buts', it either entertained or it didn't. If you have to argue and explain to someone why they should've enjoyed your video, then you've already lost the argument.

If you really want to keep making high-sec pvp videos then feel free to do so, there's nothing wrong with it. But accept from the start that you are only going to please a super-niche audience with it, and stop trying to tell others why they are wrong for not enjoying your video.

Your answering to every single post in an even longer post, in a very defensive manner, almost frantic to convince someone of a reality that just not real... is not helping your case. You should just write in your op what you think and let people write what they think, without having to defend yourself in between every post.

Laktos said it as clear as it can be said, but your response to his post just proves him so right- that you don't get it Nightmare... But that's ok, and you don't need to reply to this. As I said before, your video is very well done, and it is surely something that does better to everyone by being created, even if people don't like it, because videos are a positive thing. Its just that its too bad that you're trying so hard to change people's minds or to make a point afterwards, instead of just enjoying yourself with your alliance buddies in your own little Eve world, while accepting that most others can't see it as a successful form of entertainment.

Anyways. I would like to hear from others here if there are many spelling errors in the movie?

Is there anything with the text, the way i have my things placed and so on in the movie to be changed so i know what to change on my next movie?

More interesting than your previous videos, I'll grant you that.

But sitting still and pressing F1-F3 on the primary is no more interesting for me than a CFC fleet where they orbit an anchor and shoot missiles. Arguably, it's less exciting - at least they broadcast for reps!

No, with 4 logis thats not a risky fight at all.
They had nothing fast enough to tackle your logis, and their dps isnt able to break 4 guardians in the ammount of time needed.
Oh, and if you havnt noticed on these forums, the movies that actually do get liked the most are ppl flying around killing **** while fighting against larger numbers (without the use of logis)
Specially solo fights and 2 - 3 man gangs where skills actually do come in to play.

Nightmare, you need to decide/better express the isk & risk value associated with this flying, you've flipflopped between 5bil BSs being easily able to be replaced, and something that would take weeks for each loss. Less posturing, more being open with your audience. AKA stick to one story. No one much cares if you're superspacerich or put everything into 1 ship, only the relative worth to yourself and if/how that affects your thoughts while flying it. Remember, new pilots would be terrified of losing a T2 fitted HAC, while AT winners can go fly 5bil Machs + full pirate implants in nullsec and lose them several times a week. Your fleet setup has a value unique to yourselves, you probably need to convey this better to produce the tension that leads to entertainment.

Who says a merc corp shouldn't take losses? Surely it's truely about being effective at whatever the contractor wants done? If they want you to camp a route to mess with people's logistics chains & be a distraction, and you're doing that fine for several hours until the targets get a fleet to smash yours, who's to say that isn't the perfect result even if you lose a lot. Of course it's down to the mercs & hirers as to how such behaviour is valued, but your losses count or cost doesn't really mean much if something greater is achieved, e.g. a moon/station/morale-crushing battle lost. With low losses it could be that you can't get people to fight you or are avoiding too many fights, which might make you a bad choice for certain jobs even if you're isk-efficient when you kill things.

As for station games being the same as gate fights, I expect you're aware of aggro mechanics. So you'd know that if 2 fleets clash at 0 on a gate, there's the options for those being aggressed to jump, but then if they have logis those will be in tackle range rather than safer furthur out, etc. If you try bait with your shiny BSs ahead of your support, there's calculating how far back/well hidden they need to be to not spook the target but also get there in time. And the matter that a decent fleet with logis can have you tackled on either side of a gate so you might be stuck while cap booster/ammo runs out, or just that deaggressing doesn't completely get you away, just that it gives you a minute away from the recons where you have to then fly to break free of lighter tackle.
You see how it's not purely applied dps vs reps that makes the fight & demonstrates skill.

So please let me know how you are doing empire PVP then?

It's first of all impossible to get our war targets of the stations or the gates. And this is something we have to take into consideration. Just because they won't leave the station or the gate i don't have to stop making movies just because of that.

I'm all fine that you think my movie is boring, but that won't stop me from making more empire PVP videos at all. Empire PVP is a part of the game and there will always be empire PVP videos then.

Sitting still and pressing F1-F3 is as fun as watching a 1 vs 1 fight where the guy who are frapsing are in a nano ships and controlling the range with no risks. It's the same with 0.0 space / low sec fights where someone is hotdropping some carriers (used as a logistic) into a mid size battle in 0.0 space / low sec at a station.

Those types of movies as i'm talking about is as fun to watch as it's fun to watch a tree grow.



Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't like 80% of the population in EVE in empire?

Don't you think there is quite alot of wars going on in empire?

The 0.0 space and low sec majority is quite small in EVE i'm afraid, so i have all my reasons to release an empire PVP movie.

How many of the empire majority do you think that doesn't write anything on the forum at all, even when they can read it?

So i think you speak for a small percent of the game

Not only that, but 90% of those who are posting on this forum here are 0.0 space peoples. That's why the response are bad. But luckily that doesn't mean my movie is bad for the big majority of EVE though.



We have tried houndred of times to try and get our war targets off the station, but it's not as easy to get that done as it is to just say that we can do it. It's extremely hard to do in empire.

No, we won't lose even if we are 200 km from the station or in an asteroid belt. Because we are ALWAYS prepeared to fight what we are going to fight and where the fight is going to happen.

When i talks about capital / carrier blobbing i'm mostly talking about carriers (not super carriers). Like dropping 20 carriers (with RR's) into a 30 vs 30 Battleship fight. This is 0 risk PVP for the part who are dropping in those carriers into the fight.

And this kind of stuffs are happening all the times. And this is also very boring.

But the funny thing is that i'll never see any complaints about that in a 0.0 space PVP movie when that is frapsed. Why is that?

Is it something that is just accepted just because 0.0 space PVP is normal to you or what?



We do some wars where our war targets are **** scary of us and just logs off for one week lol. But that's all fine because we got rid of them for one week like the contractor wanted.

But we are actually doing alot of different merc works. So there is probably things that you don't know about that we do.

But most things our contractors want's us to do is something we can do. So there is a reason why we have so many happy customers. And the customers KNOWS that they will get value for their moneys.

That's what it's all about. If we are doing a good job as we are doing now, it means more customers.

And the more customers we have, the more isk we get to.

Nightmare, if nano is so easy, please come down to low/null sec and record a video doing so. Controlling range is NOT easy, unless if you burn/align in a straight line and rely on someone else to point things. Dipping in and out of disruptor range is actually pretty difficult.