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Who are the leading Amarr FW corps nowdays?
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Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-07-10 13:54:35 UTC
Major Killz wrote:

Btw I've petitioned your allliances name. I find it offensive and makes light of a serious issue for many oppressed people. People are still struggling for their freedoms today Straight So, change your alliance name because it offends me. Thank you!
- Role playing mode back on


Oh well, if CCP change it they change it
Ben Youssef Noban
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-07-10 14:10:17 UTC
Bengal Bob wrote:
Kado Kire wrote:
Bengal Bob wrote:


:lotsofdumb:

Just don't buy into the whole sob story about how we are winning through ISK. Since I joined WEAZL I have averaged about 300m in losses a month, which is above average as I am often alone or doing stupid things.

Are you seriously saying your members can't afford that much ISK?


God I just don't understand what you minmatar don't understand. You are literally that spoiled rich white kid whose parents bought an amazing car for and paid a full private-school education (even though your grades aren't really that good) for...who is simultaneously telling a dirt poor kid he isn't going to college because he didn't work hard enough.

Christ.

You can make 300m in like, 2 HOURS with T4, much less T5. Alongside being extremely new to the game, most of Fweddit would have to spend like 30 hours to do the same thing. Who the **** wants to spend 30 hours a month plexing?

It's a vicious cycle; you guys are more than happy to offensive plex (and you have a metric-****-ton more people doing it) because your LP is worth absolutely ludicrous amounts of money. Because that is the case, the warzone will never switch. Any time any head way is made from the Amarr side, the Minmatar get all giddy because it's time to make some more money. Then, because your making that much money, you nom-nom on SFI's like you do cheez-its. An SFI is a few hours of plexing for an Amarr character; it's a few minutes for a minmatar one.

It's the first and oldest rule in eve; don't fly what you can't afford to lose.


Actually, I am more like that smart white kid that has worked hard for a few years with all my friends and thanks to that hard work and good relationships developed over time, I am now in a position to receive an above average income.

You know, that smart white kid you are probably jealous of in real life Big smile

If it helps, think of the Minnies as upper middle class people, partying hard, working hard, holidaying hard.
In fact, we are enjoying all the benefits of life and our comms are filled with laughter.

Sure looks like working together is paying off for us.

So sorry for you that life isn't working out. Why don't you sit on a Minmatar bus and see if anyone notices?

Why do you feel entitled to have enough isk to pvp without actually doing any work?

I can do that, but it is because I win more often than I lose, so profit from pvp. Is it unfair then that you are crap at pvp? You should complain on the forums about how bad you are.


Both these are bad posts comparing game to racism is just stupid.
Sigorn MagnarOfThen
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-07-10 15:17:14 UTC
Okay.
Do not kill me, I am only an Minmatar alt. My main is Minmatar too.
I have read all the topics about fw in the last days. I play Eve for over half a year now (Minmatar only) and I wanna also write something about it.
Well fact is: CCP screwd the game totally. Yes I am happy that we are winning. Yes super.
But the truth is: Thats only the outcome of thousands of imbalances. Thousands of imbalances where the Minmatar are on the benefitting side.
Yes it bores me now. I have made 3B in the last eleven days with another fresh Minmatar char. 3b!
Do you know how many others do the same? My alt is in a corp. Objective of the Corp is: Farm and make ISK. There are many of this corps out there. In my Corp there are almost 30 members. We all think the same: Farm two further weeks and you can buy 20 plexes and I never again have to pay for the game.
Yeah we benefit from it. But that isn´t right. The whole System is going crazy.
I was always a Minmatar loyalist but to be honest: Winmatar are Winmatar. The balancing at the moment gives them the best ships of all factions, Goons made T5 for us so that we could cash out so much that even Amarr are making Minmatar alts.
I mean: CCP made some hundred billionaires in only some weeks!
Even CCP will see that suddenly there are some hundreds or even thousands of players who don´t need to pay for the game for the next two years.
Yes of course I could shut up and enjoy the whole mess. But that isn´t right.
Amarr ships for example suck. Omen? Haahahahaha! Harbinger? Hahahahaha! Every overpowered noob Hurricane eats a harbi for breakfast. Everybody, even the amarr militia is flying Thrashers and Ruptures and Hurricanes.
Everybody is shouting that the Drake is op but in fact the Hurricane is much more op. Almost all Minmatar ships are op in comparison to the other factions.
Now CCP wants to balance it anew. And what have they done? Merlin and Incursus are really hard, Rifter is still good (before it was THE only one non faction T1 Frigate) and Punisher? Well I haven´t seen a lot of them. Really many Incuruses but Punishers? Looks like CCP is really disregarding Amarr. Well it is fine that we are winning but under such unfair cicumstances I cannot enjoy it.
I mean: All Minmatar are laughing about amarr but what would you do against better ships, Goons and a LOT of cash?
CCP has screwd everything. The people now really know how to make cash.
Even if CCP would make a system reset all people would still use their alts and make cash again. Amarr would be down again within two weeks because they would get plexed and every one Minmatar is a Billionaire and can throw even Tempest Fleet Issues at them like snowballs.
Well it is fine to be Minmatar yes. But under such unfair circumstances it is totally unfair.
I don´t know if CCP can fix this. In my opinion it is not fixable.
Probably caldari will be also down soon. my alt is plexing the last two weeks only in caldari space. But it is boring.
You want numbers? The CEO of my plexing alt made 14b during the last T5 Minmatar cashout period. There are a lot of Corps which only do plexing. The prices for Republic fleet firetails fell to 10M each. How much does an amarr slicer cost in highsec? Oh almost 24m. Under such circumstances our enemy cannot defend.
Well we are all billionaires and laughing at the beggars.
CCP and the Goons screwd everything and the game does not make fun anymore.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#44 - 2012-07-10 15:47:22 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Kado Kire wrote:
any time any head way is made from the Amarr side, the Minmatar get all giddy because it's time to make some more money.


Then dont bust bunkers but keep them vulnerable and go for broke when time is right. And as some people say about joining Caldari, feel free and make good use of our ships. Since hookbill is best t1 frigate in the game and you can go nuts with navy ospreys and caracals (Both are very good in plexes) and silly missile spam. I recommed putting a nano to nosprey though so you will be faster than SFI Lol

Hell, you can even base in place like Reisen/Otasela or Rokofur/Gultraten like PERVS did during first Metropolis offensive and rather than butting your head against Fortress Arzad, spread the fight a bit. You can make lp/isk there and if things get awfully boring, 0.0 is close for roaming and Hek is merely 7-8 jumps for some high-sec camping/ganking. Or base in Amo, shut their fw agent and camp Hek gate in Amo.

Plenty of possibilities all around space.


Damar is right.

There are plenty of opportunities to hurt the Minmatar war, but no one from Amarr seems to want to take advantage of them. It is more comfortable to sit in Kamela, I guess.

In the USTZ, the Amarr have 4 groups with some excellent pilots: Imperial Outlaws, Tri-Gun, MOAR TEARS, and Fweddit. When you combine the four 15-30 man groups each of those Corporations are running, you are outnumbering anything Late Night Alliance can put out by a factor of 4 or more. You easily have the superior # and even ship/hull advantages in the USTZ against Late Night Alliance, particularly with how much you lot seem to enjoy ECM and Logistics.

As for the EUTZ, supposedly we still have the upper hand, and all evidence suggests that is true. So I guess you're ****** there. Bear


Caldari have some of the most prolific plexers in the history of the game, while Amarr militia is PVP focused. You can only get a PVP pilot to do so much plexing before they want to skill themselves in real life. As much as you can't force a PVE player to PVP, after being in FW i'm convinced that the inverse is true. A few groups tried moving out to Metropolis to plex in the backdoor areas, but that lasted a very short while since the plexing without any PVP got so boring they moved back over losing members.

The problem with the groups you mentioned Vordak is they're all primarily PVP alliances that joined the Amarr side for the PVP. As much as it would be cool to turn the warzone around, I don't think its something that PVP alliances really have the capacity to do under the current system, without burning out after major focused pushes that aren't sustainable as you saw with the 19 systems we hit. Faction warfare is odd the opposite of everywhere else in the game, in the fact that gaining/losing space is directly related to your carebearing and you're punished for wanting to PVP over PVEing.


This post demonstrates you are at least starting to understand the main problem with faction war plexxing.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#45 - 2012-07-10 17:31:48 UTC
Faction Warfare is a closed ended system. Ideally, it should self regulate. If one side is losing and it's due to everyone on that militia being horrible, then what is needed is a hook to bring alot of new blood into that militia and force the old guard to shape up or ship out. Is there that hook? There really isn't. You might want to point at Fweddit and it's 600 members - but their choice to join Amarr was more based on a coin toss then any real appeal of the Amarr side, much less a game mechanic. It's fine and good if one side gets beaten into the dirt. It is not fine and good if that side is still beaten into the dirt 6 - 12 months later.

There are two ways to make FW into a true seesaw.

The Carrot Approach:

Give FW two sources of income. One source would be based on system control and upgrades and be more passive in nature. Let's not try to define it futher then that for the moment. The other source would be easily recognized as the LP store. A winning team (the minmatar) would get their isk from the first source. It would be that rich kid enjoying the fruits of their labor. The LP store would be based more on the average upgrade level of the systems owned. The losing team with < 10 systems under their control could upgrade those systems easily and get the higher store levels. The winning team would have difficulty doing the same. The first source is passive. The second source you have to work for. There would be a built in hook to bring new blood onto the losing team.

The Stick Approach:

The general idea is to turn off the isk faucet of the winning side. All missions get shifted to enemy held systems only. After achieving 70% system control, level 4 agents turn off. At 80% system control, level 3 agents turn off. 90% - level two agents off. Ect. Plexing in Caldari space earns you Gallente LP only. Under this approach the idea is: good job. You win. Cash in your chips and go graduate to nullsec. As the winning team dissolves the enemy militia can come back.

For the record - I would absolutely hate the stick approach. But these are the two ways to make the system self regulate.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#46 - 2012-07-10 17:40:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Pinky Feldman wrote:

Caldari have some of the most prolific plexers in the history of the game, while Amarr militia is PVP focused. You can only get a PVP pilot to do so much plexing before they want to skill themselves in real life. As much as you can't force a PVE player to PVP, after being in FW i'm convinced that the inverse is true. A few groups tried moving out to Metropolis to plex in the backdoor areas, but that lasted a very short while since the plexing without any PVP got so boring they moved back over losing members.

The problem with the groups you mentioned Vordak is they're all primarily PVP alliances that joined the Amarr side for the PVP. As much as it would be cool to turn the warzone around, I don't think its something that PVP alliances really have the capacity to do under the current system, without burning out after major focused pushes that aren't sustainable as you saw with the 19 systems we hit. Faction warfare is odd the opposite of everywhere else in the game, in the fact that gaining/losing space is directly related to your carebearing and you're punished for wanting to PVP over PVEing.


In all honestly if you think plexing doesn't draw out PVP then you are doing it wrong. Granted it doesn't always mean you will get PVP but if you look at KB's of some of the serious plexers you will see they are usually some of the top killers in each of the Militias.

I can tell you I stuck an alt down in deep MInmatar space down by Brin and started doing a 4 system chain just to see if anyone would screw with me. By the time I made it to the 4th system I had killed 1 ship and had a skirmish with a second. The second day I ran the alt there by the second plex I had already had a fight.

This was literally as far away from the bulk of both Amarr & Minmatar home systems as you could get and I honestly wasn't even trying to get PVP.

Had I been trying to get PVP I would have plexed in a system that was being highly contested.


What plexing doesn't do is give many fights for blobs... Meaning when you guys say PVPers wont do it because they can't get PVP it's really because they can't get 30 vs 30 man fights in most cases in plexes, however small gang and solo plexing is one of the best ways to get it. and yes there is a ton a PVP happening in plexes.
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#47 - 2012-07-10 18:41:47 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
In all honestly if you think plexing doesn't draw out PVP then you are doing it wrong. Granted it doesn't always mean you will get PVP but if you look at KB's of some of the serious plexers you will see they are usually some of the top killers in each of the Militias.

I can tell you I stuck an alt down in deep MInmatar space down by Brin and started doing a 4 system chain just to see if anyone would screw with me. By the time I made it to the 4th system I had killed 1 ship and had a skirmish with a second. The second day I ran the alt there by the second plex I had already had a fight.

This was literally as far away from the bulk of both Amarr & Minmatar home systems as you could get and I honestly wasn't even trying to get PVP.

Had I been trying to get PVP I would have plexed in a system that was being highly contested.


What plexing doesn't do is give many fights for blobs... Meaning when you guys say PVPers wont do it because they can't get PVP it's really because they can't get 30 vs 30 man fights in most cases in plexes, however small gang and solo plexing is one of the best ways to get it. and yes there is a ton a PVP happening in plexes.

This guy got it.

Saying there's only plexing or pvp is just stupid. FW has changed. From blob warfare to plex warfare. Solo pvp is alive and kicking as is (small) gang warfare. Adapt or die.

I'm plexing all the time. And i get fights all the time. Good fights even.

pew pew
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#48 - 2012-07-10 18:45:14 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

This guy got it.

Saying there's only plexing or pvp is just stupid. FW has changed. From blob warfare to plex warfare. Solo pvp is alive and kicking as is (small) gang warfare. Adapt or die.

I'm plexing all the time. And i get fights all the time. Good fights even.


You forgot leaving FW is also an option.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#49 - 2012-07-10 19:00:20 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
I'm plexing all the time. And i get fights all the time. Good fights even.


If we removed one 0 from the plex LP gains (Major would thus be 2500lp at tier 1), would people still plex as much? Perhaps a ninja solution to alt problem....
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#50 - 2012-07-10 19:42:47 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
I'm plexing all the time. And i get fights all the time. Good fights even.


If we removed one 0 from the plex LP gains (Major would thus be 2500lp at tier 1), would people still plex as much? Perhaps a ninja solution to alt problem....

I'd much rather see CCP make it mandatory to kill the NPCs before you can run down the timer. That way you can't solo plexes in a ****** 3 day alt anymore and most of the LP whoring would instantly stop. It would also slow down the whole process of flipping systems even more (which still seems to be a bit too fast imo).

To be honest, i rarely ever finish plexes, at least not when i'm solo roaming. If the system empties or there is fights to be had elsewhere i just move on and let someone else finish the plex and take the LP.

pew pew
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#51 - 2012-07-10 20:13:09 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
In all honestly if you think plexing doesn't draw out PVP then you are doing it wrong. Granted it doesn't always mean you will get PVP but if you look at KB's of some of the serious plexers you will see they are usually some of the top killers in each of the Militias.

I can tell you I stuck an alt down in deep MInmatar space down by Brin and started doing a 4 system chain just to see if anyone would screw with me. By the time I made it to the 4th system I had killed 1 ship and had a skirmish with a second. The second day I ran the alt there by the second plex I had already had a fight.

This was literally as far away from the bulk of both Amarr & Minmatar home systems as you could get and I honestly wasn't even trying to get PVP.

Had I been trying to get PVP I would have plexed in a system that was being highly contested.


What plexing doesn't do is give many fights for blobs... Meaning when you guys say PVPers wont do it because they can't get PVP it's really because they can't get 30 vs 30 man fights in most cases in plexes, however small gang and solo plexing is one of the best ways to get it. and yes there is a ton a PVP happening in plexes.

This guy got it.

Saying there's only plexing or pvp is just stupid. FW has changed. From blob warfare to plex warfare. Solo pvp is alive and kicking as is (small) gang warfare. Adapt or die.

I'm plexing all the time. And i get fights all the time. Good fights even.


Yes... I got it alright I just lost two damn ships to same guy in a plex... Oops
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#52 - 2012-07-10 20:35:43 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
I'm plexing all the time. And i get fights all the time. Good fights even.


If we removed one 0 from the plex LP gains (Major would thus be 2500lp at tier 1), would people still plex as much? Perhaps a ninja solution to alt problem....



I think CCP needs to give us a better way to know systems are being actively plexed and some sort of encouragement to defend systems. Someone can go in ninja plex a Minor for example and I will never know they are there until the map updates and by the time it does they are long past gone. Let alone if a system is already contested, the only way you know anyone is running plexes there is if the numbers change.

If someone attacks a null sec system, they get an alliance mail. Granted I don't want to get 50 million eve mails for every plex opened but we should be able to get some sort of warning that someone is actively plexing a system.
Kado Kire
Nigerian Prince Recruitment InitiativeDOT
#53 - 2012-07-10 21:30:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kado Kire
Mutnin wrote:
Pinky Feldman wrote:

Caldari have some of the most prolific plexers in the history of the game, while Amarr militia is PVP focused. You can only get a PVP pilot to do so much plexing before they want to skill themselves in real life. As much as you can't force a PVE player to PVP, after being in FW i'm convinced that the inverse is true. A few groups tried moving out to Metropolis to plex in the backdoor areas, but that lasted a very short while since the plexing without any PVP got so boring they moved back over losing members.

The problem with the groups you mentioned Vordak is they're all primarily PVP alliances that joined the Amarr side for the PVP. As much as it would be cool to turn the warzone around, I don't think its something that PVP alliances really have the capacity to do under the current system, without burning out after major focused pushes that aren't sustainable as you saw with the 19 systems we hit. Faction warfare is odd the opposite of everywhere else in the game, in the fact that gaining/losing space is directly related to your carebearing and you're punished for wanting to PVP over PVEing.


In all honestly if you think plexing doesn't draw out PVP then you are doing it wrong. Granted it doesn't always mean you will get PVP but if you look at KB's of some of the serious plexers you will see they are usually some of the top killers in each of the Militias.

I can tell you I stuck an alt down in deep MInmatar space down by Brin and started doing a 4 system chain just to see if anyone would screw with me. By the time I made it to the 4th system I had killed 1 ship and had a skirmish with a second. The second day I ran the alt there by the second plex I had already had a fight.

This was literally as far away from the bulk of both Amarr & Minmatar home systems as you could get and I honestly wasn't even trying to get PVP.

Had I been trying to get PVP I would have plexed in a system that was being highly contested.


What plexing doesn't do is give many fights for blobs... Meaning when you guys say PVPers wont do it because they can't get PVP it's really because they can't get 30 vs 30 man fights in most cases in plexes, however small gang and solo plexing is one of the best ways to get it. and yes there is a ton a PVP happening in plexes.



90% of plexers I come across are just frigate alts who safe up as soon as I'm on the in-gate. Yes, it does create pvp. But it's ridiculously absurd to think that it generates most of the PvP.

Plexing sucks. It's time we all admit it. You literally go to one spot and do. nothing. What kind of game mechanic is that? Put some sleeper ai rats in there and then it will at least be mildly interesting. Right now Amarr/Minmatar is just a bunch of alts from all over new eden, hisec, lowsec, nullsec farming minmatar LP. Next to them is the minmatar who actually fight for their faction who think THEY are the ones creating all this success. And on the other side is Amarr who have recognized that Amarr Plexing is worthless; both because it is ****** isk/hr AND because it doesn't really further warzone control. I'm not complaining; it is what it is. Those are the facts. But excuse me while I fund my PvP farming forsaken hubs instead of sitting on a button.


edit: as someone said above, if there was a simple log you could go to that said, "So-N-So just finished a Minor Amarr Outpost in Such system, This many minutes ago", it would fix loads and loads of the plexing problems.
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