Warfare & Tactics

You all sound like nerds. just saying... [Reset] Amarr/Minmatar factional warfare.

You what's sad about factional warfare pilots? They complain alot. How many times have I read and heard in this disscussion that some dude wants to force others to fight.

It's like when I was a full time pirate. I often heard from terrible pilots who were pirates who were mad because people had the ability to warp away and they wanted more ways to force people to either fight or die.

Crying like children who don't get their way. Resources are fought over and outlaws hunt pilots exploiting resources. This is like the mofracking animal kingdom. African lion hunting and eating gazelle savanna sh!t

Plex are the resource that can be exploited. That brings pilots to the area. Pilots are willing to fight each other over the resoruce (defend or attack).

What's most important is that CCP makes sure that the ships needed to exploit the resouce is expensive or atleast not just a afterburning frigate. There would be levels of difficulty kinda like Incursions. Some that need a fleet and others that can be done solo.

As long as thier targets in an area a person can pvp. They can camp and force people to either fight or try to run away or explode.

Forcing pvp is arena/ring bullsh!t and is lame. If I wanted to see arena pvp I would watch the alliance tournament alot more. That sh!t is wack and so is the crying about forcing pilots to engage.

The resource brings pilots there. You as a solo pvp or small gang have to try to catch those b!tches.

Alot of these dudes have been in faction warfare to long and don't know how convenient they have it compared to pirates or those who solo or roam in small gangs in 0.0.

That's why almost no corporation/alliance ever makes it after leaving faction warfare. Factional warfare is hand holding and easier for pilots to do solo or in small gangs and find targets. Compared to pirating or 0.0

Thank god we didn't. The trolling directly impedes the process of improving the system. Take, for instance, the plexing bug. There's been threads on it for ages - and every single one of them turned into ridiculous factional finger pointing and were so heavily biased its no surprise the devs assumed it was just FW folk being dickheads to each other.

"They're winning the war by cheating!! No, YOU are the one's who cheating! Oh yeah? well at least we don't cheat as much as YOU do. " If someone wants to talk s**** about the other faction, GREAT. But we have a lot of work to do in a short amount of time, and those that have been helpful in this process have been the ones that can curb the childish bickering and have an objective conversation about the game mechanics.

*Sadness*

Bunch of pew carebears talking about exploits incentives .. where is that which launched FW and involved everyone, causing much grief, laughs and just plain old Good Times™ .. RP.

You should have tried getting Ms. Constantine, Admiral Rodj Blake or some such to at least have it represented.

PS: Just started podcast, so above content mention is merely a hunch

Pew carebears? Jumbo Shrimp? Corporate ethics?

As a role player surely you sympathize with the fact that the Amarr militia corps have to switch sides in order to afford ships, many people can't fight for their chosen faction any more without relying on separate militia with alts to farm isk. There really isn't a grief, laughs, or good times if one faction can't afford ships any longer.

Likewise, there isn't much grief, laughs, or good times when you're chasing those farmers out of plexes because they're not even fitting guns to their ships and there's zero incentive to stay and fight when its more efficent to just bounce around and avoid all conflict entirely.

There are some serious mechanical issues that need work to bring Faction Warfare up to its full potential, and in doing so it will enable every pilot to fly for the faction they love and believe in. You know this for a fact, because your posting for months has focused in on the broken mechanics, not so much the lack of RP going on in Faction Warfare (which the players can address themselves with or without CCP attention).

Besides, this was only the first of hopefully many round tables to come, I would get in touch with Spence from TEN and let him know you'd like to discuss RP issues in Faction Warfare. We all agreed there was much more to discuss than could fit into the allotted time.

I don't know where to go with this. Either I agree with you (but IMO you're mostly wrong), or I have to throw some compliments to two over zealous hot-dropping corps who came up with the worst alliance name ever (which I don't want to do).

So be useful and post them right here, I'm listening.

You don't know how EVE forums work do you?

He never said he had a solution, he just said there weren't many good ones.

There's no poll necessary, I've said many times that this is clearly what the majority of players are asking for, which is why I've already talked about it to CCP. In fact, this is at least the 4th or 5th time I've posted in the forums that I've already talked to CCP about the fix. It's just not very simple, and I doubt it would happen before Winter anyways. "Force us to shoot the rats" started in response to the removal of E-war, and was offered as a quick fix to tide us over until the Winter expansion. If the holdover isn't going to happen till Winter anyways, I just want us to be careful about slapping it in carelessly with whatever other changes are made.

I've also been quite clear in saying that while I don't like arbitrary forced PvE in Faction Warfare, that if the majority of players want it, I'll keep pushing it through. I've questioned the decision, and asked for dissenting opinions to come forward, because I want to everyone to be perfectly aware of what they're asking for before the inevitable "But I just want to PvP, why do i have to shoot rat to take space??" whinefest comes down the road. I hear every day that Sovereignty should be about PvP and not about PvE, yet ironically it's forced PvE that players are asking for.

I, too, am very much against elaborate fixes, but you also have no idea how often complaint about NPC imbalance has come up over the years. CCP's heard this loud and clear, and are looking at overhauling the rats, and are asking for everyone's opinion on the matter. I don't think "the rats are just fine, leave them alone" works any better for the community at this point.