Wormholes

I think his point was the average wormhole carebear corp doesn't have the coordination to put up a solid defence or maintain numbers inside so they can retake hole control - unlike in null where they can just batphone for reinforcements - if an attacking force is half organised even with fairly low numbers they can take control of the exits and evict your average casual wormhole corp who often just aren't prepared for dealing with a half organised attacking force.

Thanks for your intelligent input, I'm sure those around you must note what a complete lol you are.

My personal opinion on SDing is that it takes away most of the point in bashing a POS if they can sit there and SD all the ships so you get nothing. So IMO no SDing inside the POS shields. They must exit the shields to start the proses and remain outside until they go pop. also if you are shooting them and they cannot get away so they SD. You have used your mods to make their ship go pop you should be on the KM as a damage dealer/Weber etc.

the only reason to bash a POS in a WH is if you hate them or you want to take the WH for yourself (but you may as well just find an empty one)

In the world today if you commit suicide via an explosion you are a suicide bomber and they are considered hostile and the act is a hostile one. Last time i looked i was not allowed to commit a hostile act inside the shields of a POS.

the other way around this would be either a bounce bomb that you fire from a SB and it bumps the ships around (and then outside)

OR

Hacking the POS shields to eject the ships inside that would be awesome :D

I can't think of how to write this out any easier for you... erm.

Your ship blew up because I shot at it, a battle happened, you lost.
Regardless of what made your ship explode, it still exploded because I agressed it.

I am yet to hear a good reason there should be no record of this...

"You did not kill it" is not a good reason because it is wrong. I killed it, it is dead because of me, who cares if you got the final blow.

Rather than justify why I should have a killmail, I think it'd be better to hear the reasons you should be able to deny someone one, or why you would want to?

I'm betting almost everyone who thinks they deserve to deny a killmail does so out of 1 of 2 reasons (neither are valid)

1: Spite - your spite is not a valid game mechanic, you are the type of person that turns off a multiplayer right before the results and act like noone won because you turned it off...

2: Killboard - you don't want the loss, and wish to pretend like it didn't happen (even though it did)

That about right?

But you didn't kill it, and back to the causation argument, you argue that it exploded because you aggressed it. So what? lets just suggest you're not coming close to breaking the tank, did you REALLY kill it? REALLY? You argue that because you fired upon it, maybe only the once, you are entitled to be considered a contribuatory factor in killing it. Should the person I buy the ship from be considered culpable, remember, I wouldn't have SD the ship if I hadn't bought it would I? Should squad leader be culpable for warping squad?
Simply this: If you're not the immediate factor in a ships popping you didn't kill it.


3. You didn't apply enough damage to kill it.
4. You were not the immediate factor in it's destruction
5. The pilot had the option to deny the ship and equipment, you were unable to prevent him from doing what he wanted to do, therefore you failed at YOUR end.

Is cowardice in a game even possible? The repercussion are zero in any and all situations.

Wow, is all I have to say.

In reality the only way to kill a carrier in under 2 minutes is to:

1) Doomsday it. (Clearly not an option in wormholes)
2) Blob it to f*** (Also not an option in many wormholes)


Since these are not an option, killing a capital before it self destructs is incredibly hard.

The best way to kill caps is to have a decent sized T3 fleet with Bhaalgorns/Neuters and wait anywhere from 5-10m for the cap of the capital to run out and then kill it. (Anywhere from 20+ people is a good size, not including logi)



Now the above explanation will SURELY kill any capital ship it just takes time for the capacitor to run dry, but if they initiate self destruct, the possibility to kill it is nearly next to none unless the capacitor has already been drained.

HOW, in what matter, does that NOT constitute being an immediate factor in a ship popping?

I'm sorry, no matter if the pilot self destructed or didn't he WAS going to die.

Now using a dread will easily kill a capital but everyone can't just mobilize a capital all willy-nilly and magically get it into the hole in time.

You have no idea what it is like to be on field with capitals and knowing for a fact that you are going to kill them, only to have them take the cowards way out.

Please actually know and experience this before blindly arguing about it.

While not a shiny dread or better i just caught an orca from these pussies who decided they didn't want the loss mail and SD'd it instead.


Should have KM when you get it to half hull and it pops for being stupid.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=alliance&name=TOHA+Conglomerate

Yeah i will name.

I self destruct cause I can. I self destructed a bellicose and logged off when we got invaded by 200 russians faggots in tengus.

Come at me haters.

#Edit: Going to leave this alone now as only one person has issue with this reasoning and they are yet to provide a solid arguement against. You can't have a reasonable arguement with one who will not consider both sides.



So what you're telling me is that pilots warp their ships into a fight with the intention of self-destructing? LOL
If you can't leave because of me and choose to SD because of that, then yes, it was primarily because of me you lost your ship.

As for the amount of damage - doesn't matter. Everyone that aggressed a ship is on a killmail. It is only who the killmail falls to that gets decided by the final blow.

CCP disagree - see concord killmails with other players, or kills in a sleeper site with other players etc.
Isn't the 'immediate factor' of the SD the fact that you lost? I don't believe that you went into a fight and SD just for fun even though you were going to win or could get away..
Doesn't matter, it died because it lost a fight, because of me.
Sure I was, I was the ultimate reason your ship died. (Actually, in your case it was probably your stupidity, which requires equal punishment)
This can be impossible in some wormholes where capitals are involved and again doesn't matter as they died because of me. I give a **** less about whether or not they denied their assets but lets stop pretending like your ship DIDNT BLOW UP, because it did, and because of another player - therefore requires a killmail.

Let's comprimise - we'll have a killmail that says you self-destructed and it'll say how much damage everyone did before you died (including you as having the final blow!)
That appeases all of your rediculous arguements, does it not?

You're in WH space, your ships were forfeit as soon as you moved in.

Seriously though, why should you deserve safety? Surely you understand that the only reason you're able to "farm" these sites for so much ISK is due to the massive risk you are taking. If you were completely safe then what would be the point in it being 0.0?

All that said, I am FINE with you self-destructing. But when you explode we would like to have a report (killmail) of what happened so that we can have an automatic record of what happened that day for the effort (and risk) that WE put in trying to kill you.