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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#261 - 2012-05-06 02:30:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas
Tom Gerard wrote:
If your a REAL alliance you should already have several thousand dollars invested in out of game communication servers, if you can't pay you can't play simple as that.

Why would CCP hurt the IT firms who profit off communication services by fixing a security issue with their API?


What security issue? And what do you propose they do to fix it?

Having alliance mails in the API is a great feature and it allows for things like clients which sit in your system tray which ding when you get an alliance mail (that might say something like LOG IN NOW OUR SPACE IS BURNING BECAUSE SOMEONE FORGOT TO PAY A SOV BILL).

There's nothing inappropriate or broken about the implementation. It's just that some alliances can't keep their member API keys in their pants.

[PS: I'm sure you've noticed that several thousand dollars worth of IT hardware doesn't stop goonswarm announcements being posted on Kugu within minutes, when is CCP going to fix this bug with it's players. A power drill and a coat hanger (in game naturally) might stop them leaking our precious info.]
Iamien
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#262 - 2012-07-10 15:14:24 UTC
I agree with this service and/or product.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#263 - 2012-07-10 15:22:48 UTC
And it took you 2 months to make that decision?

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#264 - 2012-07-10 15:29:21 UTC
I'm not sure about who owns the content of an evemail... it can get shady.

What if a copyrighted material gets uu-encoded and sent through alliance mail?

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#265 - 2012-07-10 15:38:39 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
I'm not sure about who owns the content of an evemail... it can get shady.

What if a copyrighted material gets uu-encoded and sent through alliance mail?



Read the 2 month old 14 page thread and you will see that was already brought up. No need to repeat the cycles.

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Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#266 - 2012-07-10 15:43:24 UTC
Iamien wrote:
I agree with this service and/or product.

Dude, second necro thread now? What's wrong with you? What?
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#267 - 2012-07-10 16:00:59 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
I'm not sure about who owns the content of an evemail... it can get shady.

What if a copyrighted material gets uu-encoded and sent through alliance mail?



Read the 2 month old 14 page thread and you will see that was already brought up. No need to repeat the cycles.


Show me in the bear... I mean, the thread, where uu-encode was mentioned.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#268 - 2012-07-10 16:06:53 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
I'm not sure about who owns the content of an evemail... it can get shady.

What if a copyrighted material gets uu-encoded and sent through alliance mail?



Read the 2 month old 14 page thread and you will see that was already brought up. No need to repeat the cycles.


Show me in the bear... I mean, the thread, where uu-encode was mentioned.



Is your left mouse button broken?

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#269 - 2012-07-10 16:11:42 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
I'm not sure about who owns the content of an evemail... it can get shady.

What if a copyrighted material gets uu-encoded and sent through alliance mail?



Read the 2 month old 14 page thread and you will see that was already brought up. No need to repeat the cycles.


Show me in the bear... I mean, the thread, where uu-encode was mentioned.



Is your left mouse button broken?


link uu-encode or didn't happened.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#270 - 2012-07-10 16:17:27 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
I'm not sure about who owns the content of an evemail... it can get shady.

What if a copyrighted material gets uu-encoded and sent through alliance mail?



Read the 2 month old 14 page thread and you will see that was already brought up. No need to repeat the cycles.


Show me in the bear... I mean, the thread, where uu-encode was mentioned.



Is your left mouse button broken?


link uu-encode or didn't happened.



You are putting far too much effort into all that typing when it only takes a couple of muscles to click on page 2 or 3 and read that if you are sending something, anything, private through a unsecured email system then you deserve what comes to you.

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#271 - 2012-07-10 16:29:01 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:


You are putting far too much effort into all that typing when it only takes a couple of muscles to click on page 2 or 3 and read that if you are sending something, anything, private through a unsecured email system then you deserve what comes to you.


Sir... again.. there's no mention of uu-encode in neither page 2 or page 3. However, my point is not about the sender "deserving" to be skunked. It's about planting copyrighted material on alliance email on purpose, hoping it will get skunked, then let RIAA/MPAA/whatever take the skunk down.

Of course, the planter could get in trouble as well... consider it a suicide gank.

PS: I'm sure alt.* newsgroups have something better than uuencode by now... I haven't been there in ages.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#272 - 2012-07-10 16:40:37 UTC
sigh...whatever. You are talking about the same subject in a different dress. But hey, if you wanna flash your ass at the general public and then blame them for taking pictures then be my guest.

Also, I like your idea of burning an entire forest to remove one diseased tree.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#273 - 2012-07-10 16:49:37 UTC
If you put it in an email you are subject to inteception by any number of means. Confidential documents should never be sent via email unless it is only going through a secured, on site server (and even then there are no promises).

Sending confidential information via a messaging service THAT IS PART OF A PUBLIC ONLINE GAME is not considered a secure or private method by anyone's definition.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#274 - 2012-07-10 16:51:32 UTC
Thank you.

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Othran
Route One
#275 - 2012-07-10 17:01:30 UTC
If you wish to be pedantic about this then in virtually all of the English speaking world * then as soon as you send a letter/send an email/make a post then the copyright for that letter/email/post now resides with the recipient.

tl;dr - send a private communication to a person/entity then the copyright of that communication belongs to them.


*mentioned because of copyright laws, which are broadly consistent for text
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#276 - 2012-07-10 17:24:10 UTC
Calling all internet lawyers.

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InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#277 - 2012-07-11 01:12:29 UTC
Sometimes I forget that this game is taken so seriously by others, that they are perfectly willing to try to involved it with international law.

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#278 - 2012-07-11 02:14:22 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
Sometimes I forget that this game is taken so seriously by others, that they are perfectly willing to try to involved it with international law.


That kind of reminds me of the one that can not be mentioned... yeah it could get nasty in an international way.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Irya Boone
The Scope
#279 - 2012-07-11 02:33:43 UTC
Internet Lawyers are best lawyers of the universe(s) ... really

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Equus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#280 - 2012-07-11 03:03:51 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
You know, the whole problem is not about game related mails made public but personal information about stuff like health. The API does not filter those out. A spy would never copy/paste personal information to a public website as it holds no "ingame value" to be used.

Let me ask this: If I would post links to illegal content, like movies, and eveskunk automatic make them public. Who would be wrong? Eveskunk for making links to illegal content public? CCP for helping eveskunk retreiving the mails? The person sharing the API? Or the person sending a personal mail to his/her friends?



I have not read all of this thread, I had to stop here, and honestly, just stop, you are wrong, completely wrong. I shall now give you a real example, hmmm, I wonder if there is another large company or two out there that allow users to hand out verification codes so that those sites can garner information... I don't know, maybe a little site called Facebook...

You see, when you link your Facebook account to a webpage, or an app, or anything of the third party can do whatever they want with your information, that is why Facebook warns you and says something along the lines of: This app/page waill have access to: your contacts, your pictures, yadda, yadda. Now, if you don't read said sites privacy policy, they can pretty much do whatever they like with their scraped information. You have no legal recourse, you agreed to make it available, same thing here, YOU make your mails available through your api not CCP. If you honestly think you have legel precident sue a company like Facebook, they have much deeper pockets... and yes Facebook has had it's wrist slapped for privacy, but that usually stemmed from not making privacy options available and/or readily visible. You cannot sue Facebook because you gave out personal information. You signed away your privacy in the EULA.

Now, for the dumbest argument, "Someone can copy and paste my eve mail!!!!", seriously? So shall we sue google too? An ex copy and pasted an email I sent to somewhere else, Google facilitated her, I am sueing!!!!

Seriously, please think a little, no argument you have made holds any water, if you eve mail, email, snail mail, pass me a note, whatever, if you do not have it from me explicitly and in writing that I will maintain any privacy, you will pretty much be S.O.L. The absolute most you can do is if it goes somewhere public you can ask for it to be taken down. Unless you are hacked and your private information is quite literally stolen, you have nothing.

Please, stop giving developers a bad name, I would like to think the majority of us can use our heads.

I hope I covered everything clear enough, if not I will be happy to try and clarify.