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EVE University - Special Treatment? CCP implementing a teaching decshield?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#41 - 2011-10-09 12:46:12 UTC
Miilla wrote:
wardec management is an exploit?

Avoiding wardecs by making them more expensive to do is an exploit?
Decshields are an exploit — you are not allowed to use alt corps to wardec yourself to make it more expensive for actual enemies to dec you.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#42 - 2011-10-09 12:51:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
So reported it under exploits.



Not that I would expect CCP to do anything, and that would be why I would enjoy seeing CCP go bankrupt and their employees broke.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#43 - 2011-10-09 13:28:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
The whole idea of giving "training" corps special status is ridiculous to the extreme. It precludes one fact: that the members are living in highsec and are too stupid to take basic moves to protect themselves.

We're a WH corp. We, at times, take on new members because we like their attitude*. So does that make us a training corp? Can we fly around highsec in a magical cocoon if we chose to?

I was a new player once. Everyone who is part of the game was. I don't know why CCP can't get it into their heads that their ENTIRE PLAYER base are made up of people who survived, and continue to survive, the dog-eat-dog universe that is Eve.

New player retention? What about old player retention? If you break the universe as we've come to know it, we leave. Where then is your player base? You can forget about fixing nullsec or lowsec if you rig the new player experience to overly favour the highsec carebear lifestyle.

Who, honestly, watched Star Trek and wanted to be a captain of a science ship? Surely your childish dreams were to be a Klingon captain, and **** **** up, or was that just me?

* I'd like to also point out that our retention rate is 100% for keeping players in the game. Probably because they don't get bored shitless of missions and staying docked to avoid "mean PVPers."

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#44 - 2011-10-09 13:41:56 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:

New player retention? What about old player retention? If you break the universe as we've come to know it, we leave. Where then is your player base? You can forget about fixing nullsec or lowsec if you rig the new player experience to overly favour the highsec carebear lifestyle.


You see, there's some conflict[1] between the original vision of EVE as a harsh, unforgiving universe and the masses of casual subscribers that want to play the game in easy mode, where making ISK and obtaining resources is easy and losses have no meaning whatsoever. And this applies for 0.0 and w-space life just as it applies for highsec life.

[1] Conflict .. I hope that there's a conflict and not that the strategy of increasing player base by providing casual carebear style of play (no matter highsec or 0..0) has already won.

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Effortless Breeze
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2011-10-09 13:48:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Effortless Breeze
Tippia wrote:
Decshields are an exploit — you are not allowed to use alt corps to wardec yourself to make it more expensive for actual enemies to dec you.


Its apparently not an exploit when Ivy League does it.

They have been doing it for quite a long while.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#46 - 2011-10-09 13:50:54 UTC
Effortless Breeze wrote:
Its apparently not an exploit when Ivy League does it.

They have been doing it for quite a long while.
…which rather leads to the conclusion that they need to be disbanded — possibly with a few account suspensions sprinkled in for good measure.
Wot I Think
Doomheim
#47 - 2011-10-09 13:57:49 UTC
This would only be a breach of trust if it only applies to E-UNI.
Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries
Orion Consortium
#48 - 2011-10-09 14:02:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Decshields are an exploit — you are not allowed to use alt corps to wardec yourself to make it more expensive for actual enemies to dec you.




Quote:
7) Using alt corps to artificially inflate the cost of war decs
Not an exploit due to cost involved and lack of other means to shield one self from constant war decs. That is, if you do apply the wars directly to the entity you want to drive up the war costs for. Declaring cheap wars on a corp that then joins up the alliance you want to “shield” is considered an exploit as per the this notification (which still is the case), and you will get in trouble for doing that.



Source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#49 - 2011-10-09 14:04:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Molic Blackbird wrote:
Source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249
Ok. I still wish they would post these policies and the changes to them in a central location.

…still, that still leaves the question of how long a “long while” is, since it was considered an exploit two years ago.
Korr'Tanas
EVE University
Ivy League
#50 - 2011-10-09 14:31:32 UTC
Alright folks, here are some news, directly from the source:

super sikrit uni channel wrote:

[ 2011.10.08 21:17:03 ] Darian Reymont > See Poetic has leaked the news that we're getting wardec immunity from CCP?
[ 2011.10.08 21:17:10 ] Kelduum Revaan > he has?
[ 2011.10.08 21:17:13 ] Darian Reymont > Yep.
[ 2011.10.08 21:17:27 ] Kelduum Revaan > oooh, awesome, i was wondering when CCP would get back to me
[ 2011.10.08 21:19:26 ] Kelduum Revaan > maybe i should post saying "confirming we are all getting hisec titans, too"
[ 2011.10.08 21:20:02 ] Korr'Tanas > and aldrat becomes perma uni sov space
[ 2011.10.08 21:20:49 ] Kelduum Revaan > also, members can buy special concord battleships
[ 2011.10.08 21:21:42 ] Kelduum Revaan > and CCP is doubling all SP for people in the Uni
[ 2011.10.08 21:21:56 ] Korr'Tanas > and what about those ivy league navy super titans, we will get the BPOs for those, right?
[ 2011.10.08 21:22:01 ] Kelduum Revaan > yep
[ 2011.10.08 21:22:07 ] Darian Reymont > We're all getting free accounts and GM ships and can live in Jove space and everything will cost us the same amount as on Sisi and we will get everything on the NEX store for free and CCP will build us an actual university next to their offices.


There! The truth is out! Or is it?
Effortless Breeze
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2011-10-09 14:41:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Molic Blackbird wrote:
Source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249
Ok. I still wish they would post these policies and the changes to them in a central location.

…still, that still leaves the question of how long a “long while” is, since it was considered an exploit two years ago.


Their dec shield has been up in some form for most of 2011 iirc.
Elisabetta Fordra
#52 - 2011-10-09 14:44:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Elisabetta Fordra
The OP's ability to get forum retards riled up never ceases to amaze me. The kid's "proof" is McDarila, Eve University's half-******** monkey, and, somehow, he still manages to convince people he has any ******* idea what he's talking about...

Poetic, when will you stop trolling Eve University? It's incredibly hard to be kicked from E UNI, yet somehow you managed to get yourself kicked. Instead of moving on with your life and EVE career, you go on a tirade, crying all over these forums, EVE UNI's forums and your blog about the big, bad, evil Eve University. You create a sock puppet to back you up because the forum retards in that thread weren't driving it in the direction you want. You get outed, and instead of finally moving on, you still keep trolling Eve University. And now this? Don't you see how pathetic you are?
Ruby Hotrod
Doomheim
#53 - 2011-10-09 14:55:27 UTC
Old timey poster from eve-o is a bitter vet like all the other bitter vets. Therefore this makes the discussion pointless as it is full of bitterness.
Wot I Think
Doomheim
#54 - 2011-10-09 15:25:59 UTC
E-UNI deserves this as they are better than any other corporation out there, they are far more important too.

I don't care if you disagree, you are meaningless.


E-UNI FOREVER!
USIRAREANIDIOT
Doomheim
#55 - 2011-10-09 16:36:37 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Miilla wrote:
wardec management is an exploit?

Avoiding wardecs by making them more expensive to do is an exploit?
Decshields are an exploit — you are not allowed to use alt corps to wardec yourself to make it more expensive for actual enemies to dec you.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249

See post 70.

Now STFU
Darian Reymont
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2011-10-09 16:42:35 UTC
Responding will probably only feed the troll, but for the few people who are wondering I'll clear a couple of things up:

Firstly, we simply do not want special treatment. One of E-UNI's biggest strengths is that it is run by players, for players. If CCP wants to look at improving wardec mechanics for all corps, then that's fine with us, but we do not want to be able to do anything that any other corporation cannot. Singling us out would actually do us more harm than good, as we heavily depend on the good will of the many, many friends we have throughout New Eden, not only for the donations that keep us running, but also as potential recruiters for the thousands of students who pass through the University every year.

Secondly, yes we use a decshield. We started using it in May of 2011 and checked with CCP prior to doing so. I agree that CCP should share policy changes in a manner that is easier for the community to access, but this has nothing to do with E-UNI.

For the record, I'm not sure what McDarilla was referring to. Perhaps something was misunderstood, or misrepresented during the many discussions that occurred regarding wardec mechanics during our recent "NSOP" event (in which we dropped our regular wartime rule set for one month). Whatever happened, in the absence of any compelling evidence or information of any kind, there's really no reason (outside of yet another bitter attempt at smearing us) for this thread to even exist.

That said, having our own personal forum troll is like we've finally 'made it' as an alliance. It only took us seven and a half years! P

Former E-UNI Director, station pilot and snoob. https://twitter.com//DarianReymont
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#57 - 2011-10-09 16:43:54 UTC
USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
Here's a tip: read the thread before making a fool of yourself.
Until you do, STFU yourself.
USIRAREANIDIOT
Doomheim
#58 - 2011-10-09 16:53:16 UTC
Tippia wrote:
USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
Here's a tip: read the thread before making a fool of yourself.
Until you do, STFU yourself.

So where am I wrong? Number 7 is pretty clear that it is allowed. Show me different
Mag's
Azn Empire
#59 - 2011-10-09 16:56:19 UTC
USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:
Tippia wrote:
USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
Here's a tip: read the thread before making a fool of yourself.
Until you do, STFU yourself.

So where am I wrong? Number 7 is pretty clear that it is allowed. Show me different
Read this thread numbnuts.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
USIRAREANIDIOT
Doomheim
#60 - 2011-10-09 17:04:13 UTC
Mag's wrote:
USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:
Tippia wrote:
USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
Here's a tip: read the thread before making a fool of yourself.
Until you do, STFU yourself.

So where am I wrong? Number 7 is pretty clear that it is allowed. Show me different
Read this thread numbnuts.

Anything specific? Because that thread from a GM is very, very specific. It is allowed to use wardecs from to raise the price of wardecs against your corp.

oh wait, I'm obligated to call you a name as well, how about Lil' Pecker?