Warfare & Tactics

inb4 this somehow turns into another thread about Fweddit ...

My flippant remark aside, here are my thoughts and experience with being in Gal Mil for 6 months and how it applies to your question;

The militia is not an alliance. It is simply a loose coalition of corps who have their own agenda and motives within the FW landscape. Any corp/pilot joining a militia and expecting tight organization will be sorely dissapointed. Trust me, I hear the whining on the general Gal Mil channel as well. Someone is always wondering where the organization is, better FCs, etc...

Now having said that, there is a more private intel channel. I don't know what it is like for Amarr but Gallente, Minmatar, and Caldari have them. I would presume the Amarr have one as well. Some of the "organization" will occur here. But the really high level organization and backchannel communications occur privately b/w the corp diplomats and CEOs via email or comms.

If you are not part of the backchannel communication, then that is a failure of your CEO/diplomat to secure proper standings and network his way into the smaller circles. Some people say it's a clique but that's really their own ignorance speaking. I also think that they say that because some are just inept or lazy at diplomacy so they use the clique excuse as a way to avoid doing it.

Which isn't surprising because based on my experience with GalMil, I'd say half of the CEOs of corps who are just joining FW are pretty clueless when it comes to diplomacy and strategy.

The low barriers to entry to FW has always been a double-edge sword. On one hand you have a part of the sandbox that allows anybody to join without needing the typical prerequisites such as SPs. But on the other hand, the accessibility to FW has allowed people into thinking that succeeding in it is a piece of cake. And as you can see, it is not.

Now as for some more practical advice;

1- You cannot control what other corps do so don't even bother.
2- You can, however, control what you and your corp does. But corp leadership has to have a good grasp of strategy and the political landscape of your militia. I have several case studies that can show that even 1 corp can make a difference in a warzone.

It is not a hopeless cause. Take GalMil for example. It is not the powerhouse it once was pre-Inferno. There are many nights where we can't muster a fleet to take on a 30-man Caldari gang roaming around. And we have lost quite a few systems as well. In fact, some have predicted the demise of GalMil and this narrative will continue to get louder as some Amarr corps have left your militia and gone Caldari. Some will stay in your space while others will move up to Gallente/Caldari space.

But despite this current narrative, there are some tactics and strategy being implemented to avoid total failcascade. This level of strategy is being done via backchannel communications. In fact, I remain optimistic that with some new blood (several Minnie corps are already coming over) and some strategery, that GalMil can hold it's own.

PS- Don't feel bad about being an ill informed tard. Half of FW is like that :) C'est la eve.

i and some of our members have spent allot of time trying to raise fleets from the militia channel and always make an effort to work with other corps and form up fleets, we also spend allot of time plexing and i try to turn up to every systme flip i can.

This is part fo the reason for the post, to see if im missing something that already exists or to see if it needs t obe created from scratch. But i appreciate all your advice. Nice to get a decent answer on the forums

This, IMO 99% of the people of eve are looking for a leader to follow. 75% of them dont care if you fail (just not always) as long as you are moving in one direction.


Heres a free tip on getting people to work in the same direction: Dont go for everyone at once, simply get people with like minded thoughts together. When you have enough the rest will follow because they have to.

Low hanging fruit then the ball rolls faster

At what? Pvp we are doing fine.

At plexing and occupancy yes we have been getting our asses kicked. But many amarr don't really care too much about plexing.

But forming larger fleets to go strutting around kourm is not the way to win this plexing war.

If you want to win the plexing war then plex. Preferably offensively in systems that the minmatar have upgraded to level 5.

Right its allot of pve. But anyway the reason we are losing the plexing war is not necessarilly due to a lack of organization. Its due to bad strategy given the current mechanics, and the fact that allot of amarr want to spend what eve time they have doing pvp not pve.

When do you know that you've won? From the rhetoric that I've seen from various militias, they define winning when they've taken the majority of the systems and the enemy has no hope nor will to want to fight back. If that's your definition of winning, then that is a fool's game.

People will end up sacrificing alot just to "win" the war. For example, a continued focus on constant PVEing while sacrificing PVP is one way of ruining your enjoyment of the game especially if you just like to pew.

"Sometimes when you win, you lose"

~ Wispa

the words "organization" and "amarr" don't belong in the same sentence.

@Christine: GF's o/o/

@OP: I don't really know how it is in Amarr Militia, but in Minmatar Militia, there are several key groups and within those, several key people who are organizing things, leading fleets, and generally directing the war effort. This is mostly facilitated through private channels that incorporate all of the leadership of Late Night Alliance, Iron Oxide., Defiant Legacy and hopefully soon we'll start seeing more cooperation with groups like Electus Matari and Ushra'Khan (although time will tell). Deen Wispa is right in saying that a lot of people call this kind of organization "clique-ish", but I contend that in any alliance in this game, are the leadership including everyone in planning/etc? No. If you want to be involved in the decision-making of the militia, it'll take sweat, blood and tears. If you want to be a leader, then start leading: if your leadership is solid, people will find you and follow you. If you want to be led, find the existing leadership and start making ins with them: get your corp. access to intel channels, voice comms, etc and maintain communication to that leadership and be as useful as you can.

Thanks for the replys everyone, ive been trying to FC as much has possible and getting plenty of people killed in the process, the issue for me is that i dont see many other people willing to FC so i cant learn the trade from anyone, im just trying to do what i think is right each time. Im sure this has pissed of plently of people but i do enjoy being an FC i just wish it was easier to find other people ot learn from.

Pinky what for you makes a good and a bad FC, actaully the question is open to anyone really.