EVE General Discussion

Please come to the discussion with an argument, rather than a simple minded ad hominem.

Unless it's the OP doing the rotating, whilst having an uncomfortable encounter with a Sansha spiky bit.

Hm, I didn't know TASHA called them newbros. :shobon:

But definitely newbies need to be fed lots of Rifters, Blackbirds, Drakes and so on. Once they get rolling on isk generation, it's not hard to stay in ships. But that hump, like EVE's famous learning curve, is a problem if you're going at it without help.


All cute newbies X up please :)

I want to add that the comms leaks from SoCo are great for morale. Also, TEST's 10mil for T1 frigs that got on Makalu's killmail by webbing him, great idea.

How did CCP screw it up like they did to BoB? By giving BoB T2 BPOs?

Was it CCP or an CCP employee who gave away the BPO's?, there is a big difference.

income (and distribution of income) effects morale, fleet compositions, FCs and logistics.

Try to enforce a fleet composition if you can't afford subcap ship replacements (and don't want to go the "leet pvp corp" way of just kicking everyone who refuses to train for the right ship), try to find good FCs that are willing to lead the resulting ragtag fleets, try to keep morale up in the face of your killboard being flooded by red entries and your pilots' wallets taking one hit after another, ...

Logistics, too, requires you to have some wealthy alliance members who can afford to invest the necessary capital.
Being able to put up ships for half your fleet on alliance contracts is not terribly useful.

The ability to offer your members ship replacement (at the very least for expensive/high risk ships like dictors and logis) and the ability to field a reasonable capital fleet (i.e. not three player-owned dreads that they can't afford to replace) are in my experience absolutely crucial and very much dependent on income.

I have been in a "social" 0.0 alliance which had literally no income outside of corp taxes and the overall experience can only be summed up as one huge exercise in frustration.

(yes, "friends" are maybe more important than income but making friends can be hard if you have next to nothing to offer)

Rent income is not that big once substracted the sov & upgrade costs. Only the good true sec systems are good isk but there are only a handfull in the southrn regions. Brings me back to how good true sec systems Deklein has....(http://imageshack.us/f/600/dekleintruesec.jpg/) Just too many, best region ingame. Before saying it was always that... thats true... but the anomaly system got formed around it.... depending on true sec... Did the mittani propose that in the CSM? Or was it backdoor politic's? Funny the sov cost increase fits perfecly in such situation of goonswarm. 3 techmoons are equal to 1 region income in south.



So eve Gained 11k subscribers in 5 months, thats like 3,14% growth in 5 months or 0,628% a month... I wonder why that is... For me personal, im not buying a subscription... im buying an experiance. The game is what i experiance thats what i expect to get when paying my subscription. What if it repeatable fails to deliver. If expectations are always artificialy kept high by the fancy trailers and EVETV manipulation commercials about how coool eve is while infact its only 1/10 of that. Its dissapointment after dissapointment. My reson to still log on and play it is free plex and i do not which to lose what i build up in 7 years of playing eve. I have "friends" / people i like to chat too ect. Login resoning is for everyone different but that is what keeping me ingame. What if due repatable "unfairness" / "Disbalancements" and simple "Fail to understand Customer Needs" those friends and people stop playing or loggin in one by one. Than eventualy its like a cardhouse that collapses and more people around me would quit. That is the biggest threath to eve and ccp simply fails to understand this. The social aspect is what keeps 0.0 driving. And its slowly rotting due above resons. The old 0.0 are the experiance players with the knowlage, the corp makers, relation builders and the people that bind people cause the're funny or cool or just nice to talk to and play eve with. A fresly new sub value doesnt weight as much as an old vet. In the buttlefly social hierachy affect maxtrix (if ccp would be smart and make one about their customers) they would notice that 1 old vet that logs in daily brings in more social value than a fresh eve player than may or may not to hop back to battlefield 3 or whatever game when a new one comes out. Simply because he isnt that attached to eve as the old vet. Its upto CCP to what kind of player they which to satisfy and give them attention, the new ones or or old loyal ones... People are not blind, the sheeps are getting herded by the clever ones that see what is happening. In social games like these are general believes spreading like the flue. The overall public image is being affected by incompetence or however the "tech issue"is interpertated and therefore direct or indirect the general quality of eve and with that my & everyone elses eve experiance....

Isk is an indirect cause of it, however you put it, eve is a wealth game, its connected to everyting, ether direct or indirect...



As above, Isk is an indirect cause of it, however you put it, eve is a wealth game, its connected to everyting, ether direct or indirect...

If you're in kindergarten and trying to play with the big boys, then yes, you'll be outclassed through wealth, but if you're not ******** and not taking on people who you have no business taking on (i.e. if you're actually taking on people roughly your own strength), then finances only play a part if you're absolute **** at it.


Funny how I've heard of minor players who boast of 100b/month in renter income, and that their monthly costs to keep said renters happy were well below this. I guess you've just either got unrealistic dreams of how much you should make while renting, or you're just bad at it.


It's not trolling. Your comment about how mittani "proposed the anomaly system be made around truesec" while in the CSM, or "backdoor politics" is not only fit for conspiracy theorists who live up on Mount Tinfoil, it's slanderous and fallacious to boot. If you knew anything about how things have gone down the last 2 years, you would've known that everyone except CCP opposed the anom change.

I think "problem" is a strong word to use. Undesirable, suboptimal, disappointing? Absolutely, those are all valid. Using the word "problem", though, suggests that it interferes with the smooth running or enjoyment of nullsec warfare, and it really doesn't.

In CCP's defense, getting income, risk/reward balancing, and all that stuff right is an incredibly ambitious endeavor, one which they may never get right. In addition, the fundamental reason is that the pressures that would eventually come to bear on income disparity will break you by morale long before they get to the point where income becomes a factor.

So on the surface your perception is correct, and nullsec warfare will improve as you improve the distribution and strategic nature of income, but the game is still perfectly playable as is.

Good question. Thanks for asking for elaboration instead of just spewing uninformed tinfoil nonsense like some other people.