Market Discussions

What would spreading the stuff around do for your isk / hour ratio? Does it cost more time (in isk) to spread it as you make money in missions? If the answer is yes, sell locally.

You could choose to stimulate sales by selling on very low prices locally. The bigger traders in the items will scoop up your loot and bring it to places that have better prices. This way you get a high turnover on your orders and free up order slots to sell other incoming loot faster.

Then you could choose to stockpile all loot until you have enough m^3 in goods to fly to a bigger trade hub and instant sell all stuff to buy orders. You could autopilot this route while eating breakfast the next morning or so ;)... you wont need order slots and you dont have a high loss in isk / hour ratio for missions.

Hi all. I've just started out two weeks ago and have done mainly stationtrading and some hauling. I didn't build up much cash before I started trading so things started slowly. but after 10 days 500k has become 10 mill of wealth so I can't complain.

Read a lot but would like to draw on the collective expertise of this forum with a few questions.

So far I'm looking at building a character that is mainly stationtrading + bringing in goods/hauling up to 3-5 jumps.

But a few questions on how to get there:

1. I've got trade 5 in progress and retail 1. That's pretty much all traderelated skills so far. Accounting and Broker relations should be next, right?

2. Any tips on which steps would be the right next steps. (Not asking to be spoonfed, but the direction )

3. Buyorders has gotten me confused at one point. In my station it is a lot of orders in an .01isk war around 3mill for Osprey ( all stationrelated, no jumps ), then myself and two more traders have buy orders up for Osprey at 1.5 mill but with a range of 2-5 jumps. This should mean that I will never get a Osprey that is sold in the station but that I would get the first one instantly sold within my range of the buyorder. Am I correct?

4. Then, how will I get my Burst AND my Osprey back to the home station. I can only fly one.

5. Do you aim for a ratio of fastgoing products and slowgoing products? I feel I can make more profit of the slowgoing but it also dry up the cashflow completly at times.

6. Any other tips whatsoever

I am quite humble to the complexity of this game, and would really be grateful for any good tips and advices.

I'd say so. You could also check out the skills that are related to adjusting/buying/selling remotely, especially if you don't mind hauling. Also, it'll let you modify and set up buy/sell orders while flying from station to station (or system/system, region/region) without having to dock. My alt has the skills trained just because it means I can play the trading game while doing POSbashing. :3


That depends on what you mean by "right". Get those 10 mil up to 100 mil. I'd also suggest doing some missions, in order to get your standings up, in order to get your brokerage down.
Consider outsourcing your hauling to courier contracts. This may cut down a bit on your hard profits, but you know what they say about opportunity cost.


Yes. As long as there aren't someone with a higher price and a wider range.
Also, note that if station A and B are 5 jumps apart, and station C is 3 jumps from A (and 2 from B), and you've setup an order with range of 3, and someone from station B has a higher order with a 2 jump range, then that guy will get it. (I get annoyed by that, because the orders aren't green. D:)


Pick up the Burst, fly back, fly out there (in a pod or dispensible ship, such as the noobship or a shuttle), pick up the Osprey, fly it back. For extra credit, you can also pick up the Osprey first.
Alternatively, you can set up a courier contract.


Depends on the amount of time you have, and your style. I prefer a mixture of both. High volume ensure that you'll be able to get rid of product pretty fast, so there's a certain liquidity; but it comes at the "cost" of lower margins. Lower volume is "easier" (not as .01-intensive), but you may be holding a ton of product and then - suddenly - someone crashes the market; and you're stuck with a ton of overpriced product, which also takes time to sell. On the other hand, lower volume usually means higher margins.

Other tips: (I couldn't have the 6th point in a quote, since the forum complained about it)
- Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
- Don't be afraid to sink a few isk into an unknown market (maybe you'll learn something!)
- Be aware of patch notes and speculation.
- Watch out for the margin trading scam.
- Don't ask for public isk if you don't need it. And if you do need it, get rid of it as soon as possible. Public isk is a dependability, and you can do fine on your own.
- Something clever.
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- Don't be afraid to ask questions, and don't be afraid to talk with people!
- If you want, try contacting miner corps and setting up deals. Then contact manufacturing corps and set up deals.
You can get cheap ore/minerals and/or ships out of it, which you can subsequently sell at a profit.
- Don't be afraid to put your foot down. Especially when negotiating with people.

Question about Margin Trading:

What percentage do you pay as a down payment in escrow at 5 levels of Margin Trading? It's not just over 24% as the skill claims, I have had it fluctuate between 13% and 25%

Is there something that makes it change? Is it the types of buy orders? Is it just random that way? Has this happened to anyone else?

Tradingtools, patientience and effort.

Topic: Trading Tools

I'm interested in what all of the experienced traders have been using for trading tools. I have had the following experience with several I have tried, please let me know if my evaluations are off the mark due to my extreme ignorance on the subtleties on how these tools work.

EMMA: Has the features I am looking for (great item report when it doesnt drop or gray out items in the average buy price column) , but I can't justify the 100m isk purchase price given the slowness of updates and also the apparent unreliability of the item report.

EVE Mentat - I really want to like this proggy but the apparent lack of profit analysis on an item basis (am I missing something here on how to do this?) makes this program less useful to me.

Eve Trader (iPhone) - Tool of choice for basic reports on item profitability. Reports are easy to use and appear reliable. But I would really prefer to use something that works on my dual display setup (Eve on one panel, analysis on another).

Any other tools I should be looking at that can provide profitability analysis on a per item basis? Also, what spreadsheets (if any) do ya all use to analyse potential trading items? I've been eyeballing my trades with a basic guess on how profitable they are give my appropriate skill levels, but having something that can accurately analyze a potential trade item given the hi/low prices at my station given my skill levels and fees would be helpful.

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But that's the whole point, there's no way to tell who's offering the packages, no way to tell if you're actually griefing in the first place, no instant gratification for griefers, no tears and no lulz. And you're still have to pay the collateral for doing so, and you have no idea if what you're destroying is valued over or under the collateral.

You won't know what is inside the package, what the actual package is worth, or who is offering the package. Just the size, destination, asked for collateral, and reward.

My loot, your tears has had a few blogs about this problem I thougth, now @ work, will search in some bookmarks later.