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Grats CCP, No armsrace will every be possible vs current tech holders

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Apostate Lucius
Doomheim
#241 - 2012-07-10 00:17:07 UTC
Vellen Thoss wrote:


Empires rise and fall.

Even in Star Wars, the Empire had all the iskies, had all the death stars and people and millions of laser cannon fodder (TIE Fighters) but a rag tag group with probably less than 2 full fleets managed to take them down.

Just because CFC and TEST are populous and possess numerous assets, does not make them unstoppable.

Changing game mechanics is not the way to go. Let the people sort out their own problems.

Kinda how I raise my kids. For better or worse, this game is a pure sandbox and (ideally) CCP keeps their hand out of the gears as much as possible.


This isn't Star Wars. The economy of Star Wars never came into play, thus all the satire you see on YouTube concerning building Death Star Mk II. Quite frankly, had the Emperor used GSF tactics, the Rebellion would have been a cloud of discombobulated atoms free floating in space. Star Wars was for entertainment purposes only, not a How-To guide to fighting wars. Anyone who uses it as such...well...let's just say that I would have no pity for them as they got their ticket punched repeatedly.

I agree that GSF should NOT have anything taken from them that they already possess, it is their possessions, they did whatever they did to put it in their hangars and wallets, and ships. If CCP were to go and take the material and Isk made from it, they would be violating the spirit of Eve Online. Anyone who loves the game would fight against such an extreme action, no matter your loyalties or alliegances. Anyone who did not fight to stop something like that from happening would deserve to have it happen to them too.

That being said, I believe that Tech should be removed from the game, with nothing taking its place at all. As tinfoil-y as what the OP says really sounds, there are some valid points being made. The unadulterated amount of money, coupled with the combat doctrine and pure firepower that the GSF possesses would make dislodging them close to impossible on any timetable measured in less than years. It can be done, do not mistake what I am saying. The only expedient route would be an internal strife ending with the total dissolution of GSF and it's satellite corps/alliances. Otherwise, someone is going to have to want what they have more than they do.

I stand on the GSF's side of the line on this though. If CCP tried to take their money and material, that would be a violation of the game and the players. Quite frankly, OP, you should be ashamed to have even suggested that CCP take anything from them, let alone an amount that they might consider reasonable. The only reasonable amount is zero.

Let Caesar never forget, though he may rule with the authority of the gods, he is allowed to rule by the whim of the people.

Hemmo Paskiainen
#242 - 2012-07-10 00:21:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen
fact is, income level is the main driver for any corp or alliance. fact is that income driver on the most top level of eve is ****** an horrible disbalanced. im not saying it should be balanced 100% but i have to agree with the OP. this unhealty income situation is going to affect all of us as whole eve is connected in a hugh butterfly affect. add this upcomming devswarm public image and i can say for 100% guarantied that eve will not gain extra active players this year.... and i really wonder why that is... seems to me CCP has proven over and over they dont really care about the game and its growth or are stuck in this imaginairy fantasie game that only exist to shoot red crosses on the overview, anyhow.. bye

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#243 - 2012-07-10 00:21:56 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Goons' fault, duh.

Sorry I didn't bother to read the posts. What crime are you goons confessing to now?

All of them.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

SetrakDark
Doomheim
#244 - 2012-07-10 00:29:01 UTC
lol hisec forum warriors still think income wins wars

Bolow Santosi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#245 - 2012-07-10 00:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Bolow Santosi
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
fact is, income level is the main driver for any corp or alliance. fact is that income driver on the most top level of eve is ****** an horrible disbalanced. im not saying it should be balanced 100% but i have to agree with the OP. this unhealty income situation is going to affect all of us as whole eve is connected in a hugh butterfly affect. add this upcomming devswarm public image and i can say for 100% guarantied that eve will not gain extra active players this year.... and i really wonder why that is... seems to me CCP has proven over and over they dont really care about the game and its growth or are stuck in this imaginairy fantasie game that only exist to shoot red crosses on the overview, anyhow.. bye


You know I have always wondered what's the renter income like down in the south? It's not insignificant. Maybe not quite as good as tech but it's still good. If only your leaders weren't wasting that income on poorly FC'd T3 fleets or personal super capitals, your quality of life down there might be better.

Just sayin
Pipa Porto
#246 - 2012-07-10 00:30:02 UTC
SetrakDark wrote:
lol hisec forum warriors still think income wins wars



Not just HS Forum Warriors. -A- Forum warriors too.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Pipa Porto
#247 - 2012-07-10 00:31:30 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
add this upcomming devswarm public image and i can say for 100% guarantied that eve will not gain extra active players this year.... and i really wonder why that is...


Last available numbers, EvE's up more than 10k Subs from December. 361k in May vs 350k in December.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#248 - 2012-07-10 00:48:04 UTC
SetrakDark wrote:
lol hisec forum warriors still think income wins wars



I resemble that remark, but I'm firmly on the side of Goons on this one, they took it, they get to keep it, until such time that others can take it from them. Like I said in my earlier post, if people don't like the OTEC thingy then they should get off their collective backsides, find like minded others and actually try and take the tech away from its current controllers, instead they ask CCP to fix something that isn't broken.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#249 - 2012-07-10 01:32:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrey Wartooth
Apostate Lucius wrote:
Anyone who loves the game would fight against such an extreme action, no matter your loyalties or allegiances.


This right here is the key sticking point. All these people who are demanding a tech nerf because they don't have any pretty much don't love eve.

Meanwhile, the people who do have Tech who have been demanding from the start that Tech needs to be fixed probably love eve and want to see it grow.

Edit: Also, the people who are whining about tech just want to have it for themselves, whereas the people who have tech want everyone to be able to have it.
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#250 - 2012-07-10 01:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Marconus Orion
SetrakDark wrote:
lol hisec forum warriors still think income wins wars

I like how you downplay how important money is when it comes to wars. Made me laugh out loud. Lol
Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#251 - 2012-07-10 01:40:12 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
SetrakDark wrote:
lol hisec forum warriors still think income wins wars

I like how you downplay how important money is when it comes to wars. Made me laugh out loud. Lol


Income really doesn't win a war, dude. It can help, or make things easier, but you can win a war with a minimum of funds if you are smart.

But Goons started in the game with Supercaps and Tech Moons. They certainly didn't start with Rifters and a few friends.
SetrakDark
Doomheim
#252 - 2012-07-10 01:49:30 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
I like how you downplay how important money is when it comes to wars. Made me laugh out loud. Lol


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Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#253 - 2012-07-10 02:27:32 UTC
Hahaha. Please keep coming with these replies. They are golden!
Pipa Porto
#254 - 2012-07-10 02:52:17 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Hahaha. Please keep coming with these replies. They are golden!


So are you saying that they're right, or that you can't come up with new lies to try to counter their points?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#255 - 2012-07-10 02:54:28 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
SetrakDark wrote:
lol hisec forum warriors still think income wins wars

I like how you downplay how important money is when it comes to wars. Made me laugh out loud. Lol



I like how you downplay the importance of people actually logging in and getting in fleet and waiting for hours for a fight that never happens, and then log in the next day and do it all over again. Money is meaningless without a fleet to back it up.

The LULZ Boat.

Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#256 - 2012-07-10 02:57:04 UTC
Garreth Vlox wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
SetrakDark wrote:
lol hisec forum warriors still think income wins wars

I like how you downplay how important money is when it comes to wars. Made me laugh out loud. Lol



I like how you downplay the importance of people actually logging in and getting in fleet and waiting for hours for a fight that never happens, and then log in the next day and do it all over again. Money is meaningless without a fleet to back it up.


It's true., fleets win fights. Isk has almost nothing to do with it.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#257 - 2012-07-10 03:45:21 UTC
Andrey Wartooth wrote:
Garreth Vlox wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
SetrakDark wrote:
lol hisec forum warriors still think income wins wars

I like how you downplay how important money is when it comes to wars. Made me laugh out loud. Lol

I like how you downplay the importance of people actually logging in and getting in fleet and waiting for hours for a fight that never happens, and then log in the next day and do it all over again. Money is meaningless without a fleet to back it up.

It's true., fleets win fights. Isk has almost nothing to do with it.

But they're breaking our morale, what will our isk for for us then?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#258 - 2012-07-10 03:56:50 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
SetrakDark wrote:
lol hisec forum warriors still think income wins wars

I like how you downplay how important money is when it comes to wars. Made me laugh out loud. Lol


When was the last time a sov war was lost because one side had money problems?
Pipa Porto
#259 - 2012-07-10 04:05:01 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
SetrakDark wrote:
lol hisec forum warriors still think income wins wars

I like how you downplay how important money is when it comes to wars. Made me laugh out loud. Lol


When was the last time a sov war was lost because one side had money problems?


Didn't the GSF lose Delve due to money problems?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#260 - 2012-07-10 04:11:53 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
SetrakDark wrote:
lol hisec forum warriors still think income wins wars

I like how you downplay how important money is when it comes to wars. Made me laugh out loud. Lol


When was the last time a sov war was lost because one side had money problems?


Didn't the GSF lose Delve due to money problems?


No, just an absentee directorate.

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