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CCP plese dont touch Ancilary shield booster.
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Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#1 - 2012-07-10 00:11:39 UTC
Since years meny armor ships got advantage while solo pvp, examples active dominix with 2x LAR + dualcap inectors, or plated trimarked megathorn, in youtube we got few videos where solo megathorn is able to kill small battlecruisers gate camp, other examples, bufer tank Armagedon or Typhon both around 130.000 ehp and enormus dps, form lasers or torpedo.

I dont understand why people are mad because you give some love to shield ships, in my opinion finaly shield ships become similar to armor ships, no need to change this.

Sorry for my horrible English.
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-07-10 00:19:16 UTC
sorry for your horrible post

No sig.
Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#3 - 2012-07-10 00:20:27 UTC
Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:
sorry for your horrible post



You welcome here, another whiner because of ASB
Manar Detri
#4 - 2012-07-10 00:26:05 UTC
brutix and myrmidon both have better tanks with ancillary shield boosters than with armor reppers. I think this pretty much sums it all up.

But while i say this, i do feel theres nothing to be nerfed with asb's, rather we need a,lot of love for armor tanking.
Boomhaur
#5 - 2012-07-10 00:28:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Boomhaur
Horrible english? Your english is better than most people who have english as their primary language, I think you graduated past posting that. (If I were an english teacher yes there are some small things I would change, but you get your point across far better than most online)

Most people are mad at ASB especially dual ASB because it gives the user a really good buffer to dps (assuming you don't die from an alpha). Though in my opinion it is a good trade off as fitting these things can become challenging when you try to toss 2 of them to a ship which allows the user to either have incredible shield tanking abilities for as long as the cap charges hold and a few cycles after or alternate between them so they have a tank which lasts longer.

Will admit I don't do PVP but from the looks of it dual ASB seems a bit OP in my opinion. I think the 60 sec of doom they call a reload is a good thing with something that essentially gives 2x the boost of the standard T1 varient at no cap drain for 10-13 cycles depending on if you use normal or faction charges. Having dual ASB kind've negates the large portion of the downtime for reload or can be used simutaneiously for more shield tanking capability.

Personally I will own up to liking how it is now since you can get some interesting builds. But I don't think they keep it that way so I hope they just make it so you can only equip 1 and than roll out T2 varients Cool

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Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#6 - 2012-07-10 01:28:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Cloned S0ul
Boomhaur wrote:
Horrible english? Your english is better than most people who have english as their primary language, I think you graduated past posting that. (If I were an english teacher yes there are some small things I would change, but you get your point across far better than most online)

Most people are mad at ASB especially dual ASB because it gives the user a really good buffer to dps (assuming you don't die from an alpha). Though in my opinion it is a good trade off as fitting these things can become challenging when you try to toss 2 of them to a ship which allows the user to either have incredible shield tanking abilities for as long as the cap charges hold and a few cycles after or alternate between them so they have a tank which lasts longer.

Will admit I don't do PVP but from the looks of it dual ASB seems a bit OP in my opinion. I think the 60 sec of doom they call a reload is a good thing with something that essentially gives 2x the boost of the standard T1 varient at no cap drain for 10-13 cycles depending on if you use normal or faction charges. Having dual ASB kind've negates the large portion of the downtime for reload or can be used simutaneiously for more shield tanking capability.

Personally I will own up to liking how it is now since you can get some interesting builds. But I don't think they keep it that way so I hope they just make it so you can only equip 1 and than roll out T2 varients Cool



I agree with your view on this aspects.
"Will admit I don't do PVP but from the looks of it dual ASB seems a bit OP in my opinion"

Until patch for years long only armor ships were powerfull and able to tank and pvp solo like no other ships in game, people was happy becuse (i can and you cant) or ( i use armor and and i rox and you use shield and you suck), now some people mention ancilary shield bosster because finaly some ships got enough boost to bring same solo combat efficienty like armor ships or very similar to them.

For meny people is a big shock to see super tanked ship while using ASB, but for them was always normal to see dual rep ship with cap inectors who can stand to multiple enemy and tank them like few minutes long...

Ok ASB module are great but still in some cases here is big lack of med slots while using dual ASB, so in general armor ship got more impact on pvp.

Armor ships still FTW ;)


Ps. Thank you for good words.
Eternal Error
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-07-10 03:16:36 UTC
1.) We didn't need another thread about this.

2.) ASBs need touching and are going to be touched. Get over it.
Taurich Vorsel
#8 - 2012-07-10 04:54:16 UTC
Still not quite sure how 5 ships with ASB is any more overpowered than 3 buffer ships with 2 logi's

Especially considering the ASB gang will have no tank after a few minutes, and the logi gang can maintain their tank for ever

Copine Callmeknau disappeared one day now we are left with Taurich Vorsel AKA BIZARRO COPE!
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-07-10 05:10:38 UTC
Taurich Vorsel wrote:
Especially considering the ASB gang will have no tank after a few minutes, and the logi gang can maintain their tank for ever


Less than a minute for the X-L and LASB.
Taurich Vorsel
#10 - 2012-07-10 06:07:38 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Taurich Vorsel wrote:
Especially considering the ASB gang will have no tank after a few minutes, and the logi gang can maintain their tank for ever


Less than a minute for the X-L and LASB.

Indeed

Although I was talking about the *entire* gang being out of boosters, and also dual ASB

Copine Callmeknau disappeared one day now we are left with Taurich Vorsel AKA BIZARRO COPE!
Cpt Branko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-07-10 06:51:55 UTC
Cloned S0ul wrote:

Until patch for years long only armor ships were powerfull and able to tank and pvp solo like no other ships in game


You probably don't PVP either, because this could not be farther from the truth.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-07-10 11:26:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Cloned S0ul wrote:
Since years meny armor ships got advantage while solo pvp, examples active dominix with 2x LAR + dualcap inectors, or plated trimarked megathorn, in youtube we got few videos where solo megathorn is able to kill small battlecruisers gate camp, other examples, bufer tank Armagedon or Typhon both around 130.000 ehp and enormus dps, form lasers or torpedo.

I dont understand why people are mad because you give some love to shield ships, in my opinion finaly shield ships become similar to armor ships, no need to change this.

Sorry for my horrible English.


My 145K EHP shield Maelstrom is laughing at your post and expecting to put a "wrecking" shot on your hull for about 18K.
Then I change those 1400's for 800's T2 throw some faction ammo in and dam ship is still laughing.
You fail to understand no one is asking to take those mods away, people are saying those are way too powerful (rep amount) and need fitting restrictions.
Then please explain me how overpowered is armor and what are they doing better a regular shield ship can't do at station and gate camping. Maybe it's that extraordinary new armor mod heavy cap hungry and the time it gets useful your ship is dead?

Actually the best armor gank ships are shield fitted because sub cap armor tank sucks for other purpose than bait.
The only armor ship still having some place for pvp is Abaddon because +5 armor resist p/lvl might help it being a stand still duck pewpewing scorch.
Small armor gangs can succeed but shield gangs will always be faster/versatile therefore will be dominant.

No one is saying shields are overpowered except the obvious points of ASB everyone points, but everyone will tell you armor tanking and very specially active armor tanking is total crap just good for some nerds to make videos about their uberness because they killed a couple ships (notice difference in between total crap and not being able to do anything).

As it stands right now the worst choice you can ever make for pvp in gangs is to use armor over shield setups, those can work and do in some situations but shields are undeniably superior for everything sub cap. (well after introduction of new DED A-B-C type invuls and mods seems even shield caps are ow far superior to armor despite slaves)

*Looks at Radnarok*

brb
Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
#13 - 2012-07-10 11:34:05 UTC
Cpt Branko wrote:
Cloned S0ul wrote:

Until patch for years long only armor ships were powerfull and able to tank and pvp solo like no other ships in game


You probably don't PVP either, because this could not be farther from the truth.




He is not far from the truth. 5 years ago that was the reality, if you asked back then how to fit a shield tankign ship for PVP you always got this answer.

1 PVP
2 SHIELD
3 SUCCESS


PICK 2 of the above.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#14 - 2012-07-10 14:11:13 UTC
Manar Detri wrote:
brutix and myrmidon both have better tanks with ancillary shield boosters than with armor reppers. I think this pretty much sums it all up.

But while i say this, i do feel theres nothing to be nerfed with asb's, rather we need a,lot of love for armor tanking.


So you promote the trend of abusive power creep then?Roll ASB should have never been put into the game, period. Shields already had an option for capless shield regen, armor did not...
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#15 - 2012-07-10 14:39:51 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:

So you promote the trend of abusive power creep then?Roll ASB should have never been put into the game, period. Shields already had an option for capless shield regen, armor did not...

It's not power creep. Buffer had its buff years ago, a buff to active tanking would only make it in line with buffer.
Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
#16 - 2012-07-10 14:54:38 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Manar Detri wrote:
brutix and myrmidon both have better tanks with ancillary shield boosters than with armor reppers. I think this pretty much sums it all up.

But while i say this, i do feel theres nothing to be nerfed with asb's, rather we need a,lot of love for armor tanking.


So you promote the trend of abusive power creep then?Roll ASB should have never been put into the game, period. Shields already had an option for capless shield regen, armor did not...



CCP clearly stated that they intend to make active tanking strong again. Strong enoguh that gallente and minmatar rely on active tanking while other races rely on buffer tank. This seems simply a test of a theory and as of now it has been the first ever successful attempt to make active tank a bit more interesting!


ASB are great for game and should stay! Armor tanking needs to have equivalent work, most likely in the form of massively reducing the fitting of active repairers and increasing their effectiveness.

This is not power creep. Active tanking has been considered a JOKE for several years and this has ben brought up time after time and CCP always promissed they would think on something. And they have and its WORKING!
Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#17 - 2012-07-10 15:10:08 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:

So you promote the trend of abusive power creep then?Roll ASB should have never been put into the game, period. Shields already had an option for capless shield regen, armor did not...

It's not power creep. Buffer had its buff years ago, a buff to active tanking would only make it in line with buffer.


This.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-07-10 15:23:09 UTC
OP,

While I don't have an issue with the ASB, your premise that active armor tanking has had an advantage for years is a complete joke. With the exception of a couple of ships active armor tanking in PVP has been a joke. And buffer shield tanking is far more popular than buffer armor tanking, even for ships that are designed as armor tankers (thinks Brutix as an example).
Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#19 - 2012-07-10 15:38:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Cloned S0ul
Derath Ellecon wrote:
OP,

While I don't have an issue with the ASB, your premise that active armor tanking has had an advantage for years is a complete joke. With the exception of a couple of ships active armor tanking in PVP has been a joke. And buffer shield tanking is far more popular than buffer armor tanking, even for ships that are designed as armor tankers (thinks Brutix as an example).


Before patch since years i never saw a raven, rookh, scorpion, shield tanked typhoon, tempest pilots who was able to tank multiple enemy for few minutes, even with normal x large shield booster while fighting in low sec vs pirates etc, while other armor ships deal with this kind of pvp without problems, because of high survavibility and decent dps + a lot (free) med slots for ew modules, now other not worth before ships are potentially in same line while using ASB , but is ok i dont force any of you to agree with my post, its only my opinion.
Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
#20 - 2012-07-10 16:01:36 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
OP,

While I don't have an issue with the ASB, your premise that active armor tanking has had an advantage for years is a complete joke. With the exception of a couple of ships active armor tanking in PVP has been a joke. And buffer shield tanking is far more popular than buffer armor tanking, even for ships that are designed as armor tankers (thinks Brutix as an example).



Did you even flew when doomsdays had AOE damage? Back then or you fielded a massive Armor buffer or you didn 't flew at all!

Also in the age of RR battleships is another example of when armor tanking was supreme ( it was not feasible to do RR shield tanked battleships)
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