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What Us Ice "Pubbies" Need to Do About "Goonswarm Shrugged"

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2011-10-06 15:45:45 UTC
Luzia Breen wrote:
Thank you, Khanh, antigoone, Grizznit, and the others that posted legitimate tactics. I learned more about EvE PvP creating this thread, then I did with 17 hours worth of guides.

HiddenSnake, like the idea of hitting them in the stats. Like you admitted, not all of them care, but some of them might. Also, about the Blackbird; that might work. However, the Goons might be fitting ECCM, but it's still worth a shot. It's a Blackbird, dime a dozen, but still bloody dangerous.

Khanh, bringing the right tool for the right job is key. But often, especially in EvE, you don't have it. You need 3 RR spider BS, but you have 2 Drakes and an AF. Or you need a Kitsune, but no one in your crew can fly one. And the list goes on. Even well-prepared enemies can't have the right tool immediately on hand all the time. There may be 7 Goons online in that system, but the nearest Alphapest is 6 systems out, and you might be able to wait for him, but the first sui-gank failed against that Hulk and already cost you a 'Tix and a 'Rax. And your instincts are telling you reinforcements are in route, but you don't know what. What then? Do you have the 'Pest come anyway, knowing he might miss a juicy target in his own system?

I make no assumptions, nor would I base tactics off of such things. However, as a general, or a soldier, you often DON'T have the tool. You may be able to call for it, but your enemy may be able to call for a counter-tool, then you have escalation. If your enemy doesn't call for a counter-tool, but just whines in local, then yeah, you won. But if they wind up with more counter-tools then you have, then you might lose. Real warfare isn't really so rock-paper-scissors, but superior weapons or numbers can often overwhelm superior tactics. If you don't have superior weapons or numbers, then you need to dream up superior tactics. Sometimes, you don't have a wrench for that SAE bolt, so you break out a hammer and chisel instead. Sometimes it works; sometimes, you mess up the bolt, but get it out anyways. Sometimes the bolt's too rusty, and you just dull the chisel.

Don't know if it will continue, but per prices in Jita, looks like Goon is either losing interest, or miners are getting more and more dangerous. Hopefully, a combo of the two. Fly violently all.


eve is like real war because

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#42 - 2011-10-06 17:38:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
I propose that rather than being an idiotic carebear who has no idea about how spaceship violence works, Luzia Breen is in fact a goon alt who is intentionally trying to trick ice miners into doing incredibly stupid crap that won't actually help them by posting horribly bad suggestions and generally erroneous information that won't do anything to improve their survivability with the intent of further wasting the time and resources of ice miners.

If this is the case then the man who owns that alt is a genius. If not and Luzia's comments are actually those of a real highsec ice miner then the ice miners have no hope and should just give up.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2011-10-06 18:34:43 UTC
There was a gang of miners the other day, 3 mackinaws being given gang bonuses by an Orca and remote-repaired by scorpions. I was unable to kill them with my Hurricane. :(

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Tyrone Cashmoney
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2011-10-07 14:58:57 UTC
Nerf Mackinaws.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2011-10-07 15:03:31 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There was a gang of miners the other day, 3 mackinaws being given gang bonuses by an Orca and remote-repaired by scorpions. I was unable to kill them with my Hurricane. :(


maybe you should fly a brutix like the pr0s

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#46 - 2011-10-08 07:07:55 UTC
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
The more u cry.
The more they do it.



EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#47 - 2011-10-08 11:58:07 UTC
Mineral prices are nice right now and they probably want you all to go and do exactly that, mine Veldspar.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2011-10-08 17:12:34 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There was a gang of miners the other day, 3 mackinaws being given gang bonuses by an Orca and remote-repaired by scorpions. I was unable to kill them with my Hurricane. :(


maybe you should fly a brutix like the pr0s

But I already have 25 hurricane hulls waiting to be used

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Zero For 0wned
#49 - 2011-10-09 12:51:41 UTC  |  Edited by: SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Methinks OP should quit the ice miner and invest in a catalyst.


EDIT:- Also "Resist-Goonswarm" is a huge pile of idiocy.


Resist-Goonswarm wrote:
"It would take about 12-15 T2-fitted Battleships firing at you simultaneousely to take your orca out.

Let's say it shortly: The Orca is invulnerable in high sec."



Implying invulnerability...

Dont mind me,  just touching your stuff.

Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2011-10-09 16:53:12 UTC
That's cute: hint, in the past week alone there have been over a dozen high-sec Orca kills by goons and allies.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen
#51 - 2011-10-09 21:55:18 UTC
Ya know, can't say I care too much about your terribad idea to fight goons/friends

S H I T P O S T I N G

Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#52 - 2011-10-09 23:22:40 UTC
Stupid carebears are stupid.

With that said, hats off to the 'swarm.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

||CEO: Order of the Shadow||Executor: The Revenant Order||Creator: Bowhead||

Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2011-10-10 01:44:47 UTC
Resist-Goonswarm wrote:
It would take about 12-15 T2-fitted Battleships firing at you simultaneousely to take your orca out

Resist-Goonswarm wrote:
The Orca is invulnerable in high sec


Pick one

Also, it's more like 6 if you use properly skilled characters and well-fit ships, thusly
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2011-10-10 03:06:27 UTC
Morgan Flintlock wrote:
Is buzzing about Goon space as a group in Stealth Bombers, targeting there own miners not an option? It is the same as what they are doing, and as so many are complaining about it, one would assmue it is effective..........

If you can find any Goons mining in our space please take a screenshot and post it here. They will be trolled out of the alliance.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Quebber
State War Academy
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-10-11 15:59:42 UTC
Kudos to Goons, life would not be as much fun without people like them to challenge us,
As someone once said EvE is a place where you can do anything you wish which is amazing, that person sitting next to you has exactly the same right and it probably will not be your way of playing.

Goons fun people to fight against or with depending on which side of the fence you live, local spam is entertaining and always fun to play with people who usually not only think outside the box but do not actually believe the box exists in the first place.
Dank Man
#56 - 2011-10-11 19:32:39 UTC
Join Goons as a spy, find their SC pilots (i think they have 1 or 2) batphone R&K, bump SC from shields, agress, timers will extend and their SCs die. You win the isk war. GL to you empire dwellers.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2011-10-11 21:32:27 UTC
Dank Man wrote:
Join Goons as a spy, find their SC pilots (i think they have 1 or 2) batphone R&K, bump SC from shields, agress, timers will extend and their SCs die. You win the isk war. GL to you empire dwellers.

Confirming that this is a brilliant strategy that nobody has ever tried before. I look forward to the many tears shed by our supercap pilots.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#58 - 2011-10-12 03:23:54 UTC
Dank Man wrote:
Join Goons as a spy, find their SC pilots (i think they have 1 or 2) batphone R&K, bump SC from shields, agress, timers will extend and their SCs die. You win the isk war. GL to you empire dwellers.

It's me, I am the spy.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2011-10-12 03:24:39 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Dank Man wrote:
Join Goons as a spy, find their SC pilots (i think they have 1 or 2) batphone R&K, bump SC from shields, agress, timers will extend and their SCs die. You win the isk war. GL to you empire dwellers.

Confirming that this is a brilliant strategy that nobody has ever tried before. I look forward to the many tears shed by our supercap pilots.

Better hide your spacedicks when I'm around or I'll spy all over you.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2011-10-12 03:25:40 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I propose that rather than being an idiotic carebear who has no idea about how spaceship violence works, Luzia Breen is in fact a goon alt who is intentionally trying to trick ice miners into doing incredibly stupid crap that won't actually help them by posting horribly bad suggestions and generally erroneous information that won't do anything to improve their survivability with the intent of further wasting the time and resources of ice miners.

If this is the case then the man who owns that alt is a genius. If not and Luzia's comments are actually those of a real highsec ice miner then the ice miners have no hope and should just give up.

Something about you is very familiar but I can't take my eyes off your avatar's derpy face to figure out what it is.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn