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Benjamin Eastwood
#101 - 2012-07-09 16:28:00 UTC
I'm sorry but everyone else makes hard choices day in and day out so should high sec miners. You won't see me going for paper cannon high output mining anytime soon, the losses easily negate the extra ISK made.

"Endless ISK, the sinews of war"
Breezly Brewin
Vril Metaphysics Society
#102 - 2012-07-09 18:35:28 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Missions runners use different ships for missions, everything from shuttles to battleships. Some mission runners prefer a massive perma-tank, others subscribe to gank-is-tank, others like to use AFK drone boats, etc..

Come Winter, miners will have the new ability to own several barge/exhumer ship types and will be given the ability to SWITCH between those ships depending on their needs at the time, e.g. afk mining, fleet ops, minimizing hauling, minimizing hulkageddon, etc.. (This new "owning and using different mining ship types" feature is explicitly stated IN THE DEVBLOG, FFS!)

Why do we need a thread on this?


there's an alarming number of people that want a cookie cutter fit and to simply fly the best mining ship and don't want to be bothered with making actual decisions. yes they are missing the whole point of modules and specialized ships. i think they just want it to be mining = hulk and can complain that the hulk lacks yield, tank, and cargo all at once - it's the best after allRoll
Pipa Porto
#103 - 2012-07-09 18:40:00 UTC
Dave stark wrote:

i won't deny that before hulkageddon, and when i didn't know better i was using a 17km3 expanded hulk to mine, then i realised i was going to make more per hour with MLU IIs in the lows, especially when i was hauling up to 5 cans at a time with an orca.
unless the lowest ehp mining barge is being buffed to the point where it'll take more than a catalyst to gank it, then you're going to be wanting a skiff. (infact, as some one with only one account i'm considering mining with a skiff in 0.0 to tank the rats because my poor ass can't afford a faction booster) if you're mining in a fleet then you want the hulk as it's going to outmine everything.


You could also be ATK and paying attention if you're going for max yield. A Hulk needs no tank to survive ganks if you're paying attention.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#104 - 2012-07-09 18:42:02 UTC
rodyas wrote:
But what really got me is this. Us miners could have always added more armor to our ships, or shrunk bays for more ore delivery, but we never chose to. It sucks a whole lot. Even more then mining, it sucks. Lots of players have been telling and cajoling us to do this, but we have always resisted doing it.

The miners are to blame. They cried for buffs to exhumer defenses while ignore the point that they weren't using the defenses already available to them. CCP is just giving them a balanced version of what they wanted.

rodyas wrote:
So what I really worry about, is now CCP is just gonna force us to. Now we do have to sacrifice ore input for armor, or we have to sacrifice cargo hold for nothing.

The hulk will still exist in essentially its current form, as I understand it. It's still going to be paper-thin with a high yield. That means it will finally be pushed into its always-intended role: fleet operations in areas that can be secured. That and being used by obstinate miners determined to cry on the forums when their super-expensive ship blows up for the third time in a month before ragequitting over their inability to adapt.

rodyas wrote:
Suppose we should have seen it, with CCP always wanting us to be real men, but I just never paid enough attention, while mining bored.

Brilliant troll, I give it 10/10 Blink

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2012-07-09 18:44:15 UTC
Shogun Horowitz wrote:
What's bad about unified inventory? I like it. A lot.

Edit: and lazily, I didn't read your whole post. Did you really have to throw Goon blame in there too?

That boogeyman's been beaten to death. Kill the Goons if you don't like em. Shoot em in the face.


Whats bad with the UI ...... Shocked everything, non intuitive garbage they could have avoided.


Tal


I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Dave stark
#106 - 2012-07-09 18:45:25 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

i won't deny that before hulkageddon, and when i didn't know better i was using a 17km3 expanded hulk to mine, then i realised i was going to make more per hour with MLU IIs in the lows, especially when i was hauling up to 5 cans at a time with an orca.
unless the lowest ehp mining barge is being buffed to the point where it'll take more than a catalyst to gank it, then you're going to be wanting a skiff. (infact, as some one with only one account i'm considering mining with a skiff in 0.0 to tank the rats because my poor ass can't afford a faction booster) if you're mining in a fleet then you want the hulk as it's going to outmine everything.


You could also be ATK and paying attention if you're going for max yield. A Hulk needs no tank to survive ganks if you're paying attention.


gankers are the least of my worries, it's belt rats i have issues tanking, not gankers. poor single account player :(
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-07-09 18:51:43 UTC
Benjamin Eastwood wrote:
I'm sorry but everyone else makes hard choices day in and day out so should high sec miners.


Except for poorly fitted industrials, mining ships what biggest chance of getting ganked in hi-sec, while doing the job that pays the least isk/hr. Compared to e.g. missions runners, i would say miners make hard choices every day.



I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Pipa Porto
#108 - 2012-07-09 19:03:50 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

i won't deny that before hulkageddon, and when i didn't know better i was using a 17km3 expanded hulk to mine, then i realised i was going to make more per hour with MLU IIs in the lows, especially when i was hauling up to 5 cans at a time with an orca.
unless the lowest ehp mining barge is being buffed to the point where it'll take more than a catalyst to gank it, then you're going to be wanting a skiff. (infact, as some one with only one account i'm considering mining with a skiff in 0.0 to tank the rats because my poor ass can't afford a faction booster) if you're mining in a fleet then you want the hulk as it's going to outmine everything.


You could also be ATK and paying attention if you're going for max yield. A Hulk needs no tank to survive ganks if you're paying attention.


gankers are the least of my worries, it's belt rats i have issues tanking, not gankers. poor single account player :(


Yeah, I was hoping to stick around HS for a while, but depending on what rats you're dealing with, I think you should be able to tank them long enough for T2 medium drones to do the killing even without deadspace stuff.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Dave stark
#109 - 2012-07-09 19:07:15 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

i won't deny that before hulkageddon, and when i didn't know better i was using a 17km3 expanded hulk to mine, then i realised i was going to make more per hour with MLU IIs in the lows, especially when i was hauling up to 5 cans at a time with an orca.
unless the lowest ehp mining barge is being buffed to the point where it'll take more than a catalyst to gank it, then you're going to be wanting a skiff. (infact, as some one with only one account i'm considering mining with a skiff in 0.0 to tank the rats because my poor ass can't afford a faction booster) if you're mining in a fleet then you want the hulk as it's going to outmine everything.


You could also be ATK and paying attention if you're going for max yield. A Hulk needs no tank to survive ganks if you're paying attention.


gankers are the least of my worries, it's belt rats i have issues tanking, not gankers. poor single account player :(


Yeah, I was hoping to stick around HS for a while, but depending on what rats you're dealing with, I think you should be able to tank them long enough for T2 medium drones to do the killing even without deadspace stuff.


maybe if i had drone interfacing at V, which i don't, etc. i just find it easier to swap to a drake and kill the rats, i kill them fast enough that the bounties are roughly equal isk to what i lose from not mining so it's all good.
Doddy
Excidium.
#110 - 2012-07-09 19:07:44 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Was really looking forward to this. But after thinking about how bad unified inventory turned out as well as the LP in faction warfare. Well it was those thoughts as well as the new ore holds that don't expand at all. Sure this is mostly paranoia and we shall just see how good it is after it's implementation with little to no oversight.

But what really got me is this. Us miners could have always added more armor to our ships, or shrunk bays for more ore delivery, but we never chose to. It sucks a whole lot. Even more then mining, it sucks. Lots of players have been telling and cajoling us to do this, but we have always resisted doing it.

So what I really worry about, is now CCP is just gonna force us to. Now we do have to sacrifice ore input for armor, or we have to sacrifice cargo hold for nothing. After fighting trolls for so long, CCP is just gonna doomsday our mining barges and force us to be twinks instead of miners.

Seems like the mittani and the goons have finally won. If the goons don't blow ya up, CCP will come in and make your life a hell for avoiding their missles and bullets.

Suppose we should have seen it, with CCP always wanting us to be real men, but I just never paid enough attention, while mining bored.


There's nothing saying that the Hulk will mine less. You will now have the choice between common Hulk fittings, and you won't have to strain your brains to figure out how to fit them, you'll just have to stretch your wallet a bit to have one of each.

And yeah, miner's whining biting them in the butt when it's listened to. Who would have thunk (I hear echoes of the insurance nerf).


ITS

A

TROLL
Pipa Porto
#111 - 2012-07-09 19:21:45 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Was really looking forward to this. But after thinking about how bad unified inventory turned out as well as the LP in faction warfare. Well it was those thoughts as well as the new ore holds that don't expand at all. Sure this is mostly paranoia and we shall just see how good it is after it's implementation with little to no oversight.

But what really got me is this. Us miners could have always added more armor to our ships, or shrunk bays for more ore delivery, but we never chose to. It sucks a whole lot. Even more then mining, it sucks. Lots of players have been telling and cajoling us to do this, but we have always resisted doing it.

So what I really worry about, is now CCP is just gonna force us to. Now we do have to sacrifice ore input for armor, or we have to sacrifice cargo hold for nothing. After fighting trolls for so long, CCP is just gonna doomsday our mining barges and force us to be twinks instead of miners.

Seems like the mittani and the goons have finally won. If the goons don't blow ya up, CCP will come in and make your life a hell for avoiding their missles and bullets.

Suppose we should have seen it, with CCP always wanting us to be real men, but I just never paid enough attention, while mining bored.


There's nothing saying that the Hulk will mine less. You will now have the choice between common Hulk fittings, and you won't have to strain your brains to figure out how to fit them, you'll just have to stretch your wallet a bit to have one of each.

And yeah, miner's whining biting them in the butt when it's listened to. Who would have thunk (I hear echoes of the insurance nerf).


ITS

A

TROLL


So?

There are plenty of people who honestly believe the stuff we take to be trolls.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-07-09 21:11:15 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Was really looking forward to this. But after thinking about how bad unified inventory turned out as well as the LP in faction warfare. Well it was those thoughts as well as the new ore holds that don't expand at all. Sure this is mostly paranoia and we shall just see how good it is after it's implementation with little to no oversight.

But what really got me is this. Us miners could have always added more armor to our ships, or shrunk bays for more ore delivery, but we never chose to. It sucks a whole lot. Even more then mining, it sucks. Lots of players have been telling and cajoling us to do this, but we have always resisted doing it.

So what I really worry about, is now CCP is just gonna force us to. Now we do have to sacrifice ore input for armor, or we have to sacrifice cargo hold for nothing. After fighting trolls for so long, CCP is just gonna doomsday our mining barges and force us to be twinks instead of miners.

Seems like the mittani and the goons have finally won. If the goons don't blow ya up, CCP will come in and make your life a hell for avoiding their missles and bullets.

Suppose we should have seen it, with CCP always wanting us to be real men, but I just never paid enough attention, while mining bored.


There's nothing saying that the Hulk will mine less. You will now have the choice between common Hulk fittings, and you won't have to strain your brains to figure out how to fit them, you'll just have to stretch your wallet a bit to have one of each.

And yeah, miner's whining biting them in the butt when it's listened to. Who would have thunk (I hear echoes of the insurance nerf).


ITS

A

TROLL


So?

There are plenty of people who honestly believe the stuff we take to be trolls.


You can't have a go at ppl in absentia ???? lol "we'll they would be whining anyway so why not have a go at them." talk about taring everyone with the same brush ....


Tal



I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Pipa Porto
#113 - 2012-07-09 21:15:45 UTC
Rats wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Was really looking forward to this. But after thinking about how bad unified inventory turned out as well as the LP in faction warfare. Well it was those thoughts as well as the new ore holds that don't expand at all. Sure this is mostly paranoia and we shall just see how good it is after it's implementation with little to no oversight.

But what really got me is this. Us miners could have always added more armor to our ships, or shrunk bays for more ore delivery, but we never chose to. It sucks a whole lot. Even more then mining, it sucks. Lots of players have been telling and cajoling us to do this, but we have always resisted doing it.

So what I really worry about, is now CCP is just gonna force us to. Now we do have to sacrifice ore input for armor, or we have to sacrifice cargo hold for nothing. After fighting trolls for so long, CCP is just gonna doomsday our mining barges and force us to be twinks instead of miners.

Seems like the mittani and the goons have finally won. If the goons don't blow ya up, CCP will come in and make your life a hell for avoiding their missles and bullets.

Suppose we should have seen it, with CCP always wanting us to be real men, but I just never paid enough attention, while mining bored.


There's nothing saying that the Hulk will mine less. You will now have the choice between common Hulk fittings, and you won't have to strain your brains to figure out how to fit them, you'll just have to stretch your wallet a bit to have one of each.

And yeah, miner's whining biting them in the butt when it's listened to. Who would have thunk (I hear echoes of the insurance nerf).


ITS

A

TROLL


So?

There are plenty of people who honestly believe the stuff we take to be trolls.


You can't have a go at ppl in absentia ???? lol "we'll they would be whining anyway so why not have a go at them." talk about taring everyone with the same brush ....

Tal


I'm a firm believer in Tippia's Maxim "For every troll pushing some agenda, there are 10 people lurking in the background who honestly believe the troll has a point"

So confronting trolls and pointing out exactly why what they're spouting is worthwhile because hopefully some of those people in the background will pay attention (plus, it's fun).

How am I painting everyone with the same brush?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#114 - 2012-07-09 21:43:14 UTC  |  Edited by: rodyas
Well thanks for all the replies, Think some people's comments and discussion were beyond the scope of the thread, I wanted. But still feel free to post on them, but I might not respond to them too much.

Also thanks for the timely defense Pita porto.

For the guy who keeps bringin up WiS. The Nex store was created for people with skills and plenty of isk to burn. Someday you will be there, and the store won't seem so intimidating.

There was a Test guy. You had some good points, but I was hoping to see patch notes, before I started to speculate.

Seems like the general impression I was left with, after catching up. Was that this barge expansion is actually small and suppose to be just mildly fun. After being swayed to feel that way, my problems do seems a little farcical. When I first read this dev blog, I felt it was suppose to be pretty big and pretty dynamic. But perhaps it is just small and not much to be bothered with.

Also someone kind of insinuated, I was hoping for immortal and overpowered fittings. Fittings are rather hard to discuss, since it does get lopsided pretty fast. I mostly feel most people are dicks, and so one must take everything they can, to help deal with said dicks. I would prefer, all the dicks to be dealt with before fittings were discussed. ( One must know what party they are going to, before one can decide on the appropriate attire.)

Also, I do also think, third world countires will never go anywhere and always bring down the party.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#115 - 2012-07-09 22:21:53 UTC
rodyas wrote:
For the guy who keeps bringin up WiS. The Nex store was created for people with skills and plenty of isk to burn. Someday you will be there, and the store won't seem so intimidating.


Yeah, those silly people that always bring up WiS.

rodyas wrote:
^ I suppose then, you whined for walking in stations. Justice does flow in this game.


Oh wait, that was you!

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Ron Maudieu
#116 - 2012-07-09 22:24:55 UTC
I wasn't aware that the barge/exhumer changes were already on Sisi. Otherwise why would all of these people be whining? Roll
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#117 - 2012-07-09 22:27:01 UTC  |  Edited by: rodyas
Mallak Azaria wrote:
rodyas wrote:
For the guy who keeps bringin up WiS. The Nex store was created for people with skills and plenty of isk to burn. Someday you will be there, and the store won't seem so intimidating.


Yeah, those silly people that always bring up WiS.

rodyas wrote:
^ I suppose then, you whined for walking in stations. Justice does flow in this game.


Oh wait, that was you!


Yet, I have to post about it again, It was just a normal game expansion, grow past it.

Also are they on Sisi? Oh, think I got through what you typed. Its called foresight. Opposite of that is hindsight.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-07-09 22:28:17 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
rodyas wrote:
For the guy who keeps bringin up WiS. The Nex store was created for people with skills and plenty of isk to burn. Someday you will be there, and the store won't seem so intimidating.


Yeah, those silly people that always bring up WiS.

rodyas wrote:
^ I suppose then, you whined for walking in stations. Justice does flow in this game.


Oh wait, that was you!


Yet, I have to post about it again, It was just a normal game expansion, grow past it.

Also are they on Sisi?


If you don't like posting about it, don't bring it up P

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#119 - 2012-07-09 22:30:02 UTC
I don't enjoy many things, but have a knack for getting forced into it anyways. Plus I only hate talking about WiS, when I can't be smug about wearing a monocle.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#120 - 2012-07-09 22:32:57 UTC
rodyas wrote:
I don't enjoy many things, but have a knack for getting forced into it anyways. Plus I only hate talking about WiS, when I can't be smug about wearing a monocle.


It appears to be self-inflicted.

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